FEINBERG/WHITMAN GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE Thayer & Eldridge Feb 1860-Dec. 1866 (SCN 146) Box 17 Folder 281860-1887 THAYER & ELDRIDGE TO WHITMAN; mostly from Boston, including some letters by W. W. Thayer & C. W. Eldridge. 16 A.Is.s. with envelopes, endorsed by Walt Whitman. 1860 Feb 10 The young publishers offer to issues Leaves of Grass: "We are young men. We celebrate ourselves by acts. Try us. You can do us good. We can do you good - pecuniarily." This letter led to the third or Boston edition of Leaves of Grass, cf., John Burroughs, Notes on Walt Whitman. New York, American News Company, 1867. p.20. Walt Whitman's note on envelope: "First proposition of Thayer and Eldridge Feb. 10 '60." Feb. 27 "We are ready to commence on your work at once." Terms proposed are 10% of all copies sold for the author. "The most important point to be settled at first is the form in which the Poems shall appear." Mar. 2 Asking Walt Whitman to defer a proposed visit to Boston for a week, at which time they would be free to discuss publication of Leaves of Grass thoroughly. Mar. 7 Agreeing to pay Walt Whitman "the amount you wish per week for four or five weeks, and shall expect to see your at our place. . . next week." Mar. 9 Announcing Mr. Thayer's visit in New York. May 24 Reporting on having sent bound volumes of Leaves of Grass to the editors of thirteen papers and magazines "hoping for their. . . strong effect upon their readers who command the Press . . ." June 5 Asking Walt Whitman to "please write for our consideration terms of contact for publishing L of G - ----- we would like to dispose of this contract & go on our way rejoicing." June 14 "The first edition [of L of G] is nearly all gone, and the second is all printed and ready for binding." Discussing policies of advertising the "Imprints", hoping for " a very large lot of mail orders -------- There is considerable opposition among the trade to the book." July 27 Discussing a one dollar edition of Leaves of Grass; "We shall probably dispose of all the second editions before the close of next month and we think we had better print it cheaper for the next edition, with a small edition of the other style with the addition at 1.50." Aug. 17 A long letter (6p.) about the possibility of Thayer & Eldridge purchasing the Saturday Press, as suggested to them by the editor Mr. Clapp and Walt Whitman. The letter was endorsed by Walt Whitman: "Thayer & Eldridge (about taking Saturday Press)." *49* MichType No. 8046 - MT2-1-20-55Oct. 15 "We cannot let you have the amount you name . . . for the time being." [Sept.] Oct. 11 Announcing that they are unable "to send the sum you name, we would if we could." Dec. 1 " We go by the board tomorrow or next day ------ We have fixed your account so that creditors cannot trouble you & so that you owe us but a numerical sum just for appearance sake." At head a scribbled note : "do not for God's sake breathe a word of this to any one even after the papers report it." 1861 Feb. 6 Enclosing bill for $20.24 to balance Walt Whitman's account with Thayer & Eldridge. This note was written by the Law Office of H. Jewell & W. A. Field, Boston, for Thayer & Eldridge. Apr. 19 W. W. THAYER TO WHITMAN; from Forest Hill. Reporting to Walt Whitman that the plates of Leaves of Grass have passed into Wentworth's hands wo "has now possession of our old stock and is actually doing business at 116 Wash. Street." Reporting on his personal life, the failure of the firm leaving his family and himself jobless and destitute. With envelope endorsed by Walt Whitman: "W. W. Thayer April 19 '61 (after the failure)." 1862 Aug. 31 & Sept. 6; from Boston. Having found employment as clerk in the Boston Post Office Thayer has little information on the affairs of his former publishing house : " I heard that some friend of yours tried to buy 'Leaves of Green' plates for $200 & Wentworth refused to sell." 1887 Sept. 6 C. W. ELDRIDGE TO WHITMAN; from Los Angeles. Writing about W. W. Thayer's health and his personal life in L. A. (146)[*first proposition of Thayer & Eldridge Feb 10 '60*] [*No 1*] BOSTON 10 MASS Walt. Whitman Brooklyn N.Y., Con Ners. Fowler & Wells 308 Broadway New York.Boston Feb 10 / 60. Walt Whitman Dr Sir. We want to be the publishers of Walt. Whitman's poems —Leaves of Grass. — When the book was first issued we were clerks in the establishment we now own. We read the book with profit and pleasure. It is a true poem and writ by a true man. When a man dares to speak his thought in this day of refinement - so called - it is difficult to find his mates to act amen to it. Now we want to be known as the publishers of Walt. Whitman's books, and put our name as such under his, on title pages. — If you will allow it we can and will put your books into good form, and style attractive to the eye; we can and will sell a large number of copies; we have great facilities by and through numberless Agents in selling. We can dispose of more books than most publishing houses (we do not "puff" here but speak truth). We are young men. We "celebrate" ourselves by acts. Try us. You can do us good. We can do you good - pecuniarily. Now sir, if you wish to make acquaintance with us, and accept us as yourpublishers, we will offer to either buy the stereo type plates of Leaves of Grass, or pay you for the use of them, in addition to regular copy right. Are you writing other poems? Are they ready for the press? Will you let us read them? Will you write us? Please give us your residence Yours Fraternally Thayer + EldridgeThayer + Eldridge Feb 27 1860 Walt Whitman Portland Av Next to Myrtle Brooklyn N.Y.Boston Feb 27 1860 Walt Whitman Dear Sir, Your letter of the 25th is at hand, We are ready to commence on your work at once and have it got up with all possible speed. The terms [under] which we would propose are 10 percent of the retail price for your copyright. This is the usual allowance to authors, on works of merit. The most important point to be settled at first is the form in which the Poems shall appear. Do you prefer the 18 mo size such as your last volume or will you have it in a 12 mo volume? — or in Two 12 mo volumes? How do you like the 32 mo blue & gold style inaugurated by Ticknor & Fields, in which they have published most of the modern English Poets such as Tennyson, &c? We invite an early reply on this point, and also say if you accept the terms — 10 percent on all copies sold. One of us will be in New York in a week or ten days and will call and see you, but that need not prevent negociations being continued by mail — until we have a personal interview. Yours Truly Thayer & EldridgeThayer + Eldridge March 1860 Walt Whitman Portland Av Next to Myrtle Brooklyn N.Y.Thayer & Eldrige negotiation for publishing Leaves of Grass edition 4 & 5 Walt Whitman Portland Avenue Near Myrtle Brooklyn N.Y.Boston March 2. 1860 Walt Whitman Dear Sir, Your favor is at hand. Our Mr. Thayer will be in New York tomorrow and call on you either Saturday or Sunday. We will stop at the Astor. We think favorably of the propositions in your letter, but owing to a press of other business next week we should not be able to give that personal attention to the matter which we should desire, and we have one or two other works in the stereotypes hands, which can be finished next week and which we should like to have out of the way before commencing on anything new. We can make our arrangements so that we shall be comparatively untrammeled week after next, and if agreeable to you should like to have you defer your visit until then. The form and style of the Poems is a matter only to be decided on after a free and full personal conference, discussing the whole thing thoroughly— Yours Truly Thayer & EldridgeBoston March 7 1860 Walt Whitman Brooklyn N.Y. Dear Sir When we wrote you last week that our Mr. Thayer would be in N York on Saturday and see you, he was in another section of country and anticipated being in York without fail on the day we slated, on his way home, but circumstances have prevented his coming that way at all. We would therefore say that we will agree to give you the amount you wish per week for four or five weeks, and shall be able to attend to your work & put it through Yours Truly Thayer & EldridgeBoston Mar 9 / 60. 6 o'clock P.M. Walt Whitman Dr Sir. Yours of Thursday morning rec'd this A.M. — Your suggestions are pertinent to the business under consideration, all of which are most amply satisfactory. Your letter is such a capital one, that it has intensified our disappointment that our Mr. Thayer was not able to see you last Saturday or Sunday. Business obliged him to return to Boston from the West, but he will leave here for New York Sunday night + will put upeither at the Astor, Lovejoys or the hotel corner Nassau + Beekman Streets. If he does not see you in the morning at above places, he will call at your house in the afternoon say 3 o'clock. Our Mr. Eldridge will reply to your letter at length tomorrow afternoon mail. — Our thanks for your most excellent and practical letter. Your Friends Thayer & EldridgeThayer & Eldridge (business) BOSTON MAY 1860 Walt Whitman Portland Av. next to Myrtle Brooklyn N.Y.Boston May 24' 60 Dear Walt. We have this day sent to Mr. Clapp Bound vols. Leaves of Grass for the Editorial Fraternity as follows. Edition Saturday Press. Ada Clare NY Herald E.G.P. Wilkins Times Tribune Day Book Vanity Fair Momus Illustrated News Herald of Progress Journal Commerce Evening Post Hoping for their safe arrival, and strong effect upon their readers who command the Press, we give you our hand again—on paper—and say goodbye Thayer & EldridgeArrived [safe] home all right, 24th at dusk over the "shore line" - I like that route better than the old one - [most of] no dust that day, and fine view of the water, half the time. The package came safe to me on Friday, containing my 20 [purchased?] L. of G. and 20 to give away at discretion. I shall send you a tally of the latter [when] as I [give?] WALT WHITMAN AUTOGRAPH LETTERS 1860 May WHITMAN, WALT, to Thayer & Eldridge Draft Letter (incomplete) p. C.W.W., No. 21.1 FEINBERG COLLECTION OF WALT WHITMAN[solidairate] p. 579 solidairement so=le=dè-a-man jointly and severally -- conjointly solidisme so-le[*W W Thayer Boston June 5 1860*] BOSTON MAY 27 1860 Walt. Whitman Portland Avenue next to Myrtle Brooklyn N.Y. Boston June 5 / 60. Dear Walt. — We sent you yesterday copy of Banner of Light cont'g critique on Leaves Grass written by Gen. Canning Hill, — He appreciates the Poems & you too. Be assured he speaks truthfully and just as he believes & feels. — By the bye, will you please write for our consideration terms of contract for publishing L of G.? We have been expecting said document; and now wish to have it adjusted as early as possible if agreeable to yourself. Inasmuch as our "writing" has been submitted to you, your "writing" submitted to us will accommodate us if sent early. — We have so many things to think of that we would like to dispose of this contract & "go on our way rejoicing". — Regards to Mr Clapp. — & for yourself the "fraternals" of Thayer & Eldridge overI think that Mrs. Beach's criticism is first about the damndest piece of scolding ever written by a woman who does not know what she is talking about. My wife was indignant, and I should not wonder if she wrote a reply to it. W.W. Thayer[*Thayer & Eldridge June 11 1860*] BOSTON [JUNE?] 14 MASS Walt Whitman Portland Av. next to Myrtle. Brooklyn N.Y.that it should be fixed as early as possible. We dont know what accidents may happen in this life, and a matter of that kind should not go without being determined. We sent the books to England a long while ago.—a day or two after you left Boston. Shall we send your oil portrait back? Should like to hear from you soon. Our shop fellows all send their best remembrances to you—Mrs Thayer desires to be remembered also. Yours Truly Thayer & Eldridge Boston June 14. 1860 Dear Walt, Your favor came duly to hand. We send you by Express to-day prepaid care of Mr Clapp 9 Spruce St— 12 copies of the Leaves. We have had none bound in dark cloths yet but shall have in the next edition. The first edition is nearly all gone, and the second is all printed and ready for binding. We do not think that this summer is the time to commence a rigorous and systematic course of advertising. As soon as cooler weather comes and people are crowding the great cities we intend to advertise largely both by circulars, porters, and the pressWe shall however do considerable advertising this summer. We have concocted a plan by which we hope to give the Imprints a very wide and telling circulation, and which we shall put into action immediately, If you will look in the next number of Frank Leslie, an advertisement headed "a Good Book given away" will explain what we mean. This we intend to have go in as an Editorial advertisement to nearly every paper in the Country, and keep it constantly in. This ought to give us a very large lot of mail orders, and we think that the mail will be a larger customer than all the Trade put together, at least for the present. There is considerable opposition among the trade to the book. Brown & Taggard the largest jobbers in Boston to Country booksellers, refuse to supply the orders for it and will not buy a copy. C. N. Lee tho still hold out, and sell all they can over The rest of the trade sell what they are obliged to, but cannot be induced to urge it any—of course we intend to conquer this opposition partly born of prejudice and partly of cowardice, by creating an overwhelming demand among the mass public, which shall sweep them and their petty fears, on its resistless torrent. I have sent such an advertisement as you speak of to the N.Y. Tribune—for a standing notice. We shall shortly come out with an advertisement to touch the pleasure travellers, in all the principal cities— Meanwhile the Papers are noticing it pretty well—The Scottish American has a very fair notice, and we get some almost every day. We received the N.Y. Mercury with the allusion of Ada Isaacs Menken Heenan, and think it a good indication that the book is reaching the lower strata— In regard to the Contract we desire THAYER & ELDRIDGE PUBLISHERS & WHOLESALE BOOKSELLERS, 114 & 116 WASHINGTON ST. BOSTON. CONSTANTLY ISSUING LIVE BOOKS FOR THE PEOPLE. BOOKS FOR CANVASSERS. AGENTS WANTED! CIRCULARS AND CATALOGUES MAILED FREE. [*Thayer & Eldridge July 1860 [?AB. & R. R. R. N. Y. & B?] 27 Walt Whitman Portland Av. next to Myrtle st. Brooklyn N. Y. Boston July 27 1860 Dear Walt Your letter came duly to hand, we have not answered previously because we have had nothing particular to say, nor indeed have we now any further than that the English periodicals appear to be waking up— that notice in the Saturday Review is quite a pungent one. The prose in regard to the mechanical execution of the book is great, from that sense. It is more apparent however every day that a less pretentious Edition to sell at $1.00 must be the one to be universally sold—we approve heartily of your idea in regard to a change in this respect—the June Ed must be put up to 1.50 more would be sold at that price than 1.25 we believe, because you make a difference in price people all at once see a difference in quality which they were blindto before. If you make a book too good for the money—you ask for it, you degrade it at once. People do like to pay the cost of what they buy. Still it is very evident that it was the best policy to issue the first editions in the style in which they have appeared. It has commanded an attention and respect which we otherwise should not have obtained in certain quarters. Have you seen the notice in the Literary Gazette—it is regular "out and outer." As I write I [understand] am informed that the Spectator has noticed it but I have not seen it. As soon as we get any thing worth while we will report it as an advertisement in the N.Y. papers. About Fall we should make an [splurge into] extensive push in the advertisement way. We are now receiving 300 applications a day for Imprints but the orders by mail do not seem to come in much yet— probably owing to the season of the year which is more adapted to haying than reading. We shall probably dispose of all the second Edition before the close of next month and we think that we had better print it cheaper for the next Edition, with [the] [the old] [style] a small Edition of the other style with the addition at 1.50. Let us hear from you further on this point—we do not think favorably of paper covers for a dollar book—nor paper covers for any kind—Let it be flexible cloth or cloth with boards. Enclosed is a list of Periodicals in England which have been furnished with Leaves of Grass Yours Truly Thayer & Eldridgethe notice of L of G in the Cincinnati Daily Press? If not please re-mail it to us when you have done with it. We have heard of the [Dial?] notice, but could not get a copy here. We have written to the Editor for a copy. We too wish you could be with us in Boston for we have so much to say; and our "favorite" wants to get under the refreshing shelter of Walt's spirit; he does not ask Walt to talk, but only for the prior days of looking into those eyes of calm, and through them to enter into that soul, so deep in its emotions, so majestic in all its thought -- movements, and yet so simple and childlike. Yes, Walt Whitman; though men of the world and arch-critics do not understand thee, yet some there be among men and women who love them and hold thy spirit close by their own. Among the men and women, the multitude, I perceive one picking me out by secret and divine signs-- * * * * Some are baffled - But that one is not -- That one knows me. " And so dear Walt, would we Boston Aug 17/6. Dear Walt You will accept our hearty thanks for your kindly advice about the S.P. -- You can rely upon our keeping it secret -- Perhaps Mr. Clapp told you of our offer to take it September 1st. We rec'd a letter today from him stating he intended to visit us Monday or Tuesday to make some arrangement with us -- if possible. Now as you have been so kind as to give us a valuable hint, will you please write us per return mail stating what you know of the affairs of the S.P. -- that is if it can be done without trenching upon your friendly relations with Mr. Clapp? Is the paper in debt; if so to whom; are there any liabilities incurred, which would make it subject to attachment if sold to and owned by parties not formerly connected with it; what are Mr. Howland's claims,and of what nature. Does he help edit the paper? These questions are asked with a view to our being the sole owners of the Press with Mr. Clapp for Editor. The time of his letter indicates a determination to make a trade with us of some kind and therefore we wish to have any statement of his affairs he may make corroborated by others. If you have no objections to answering our queries we would esteem it a favor to hear from you by return mail. Your suggestion as to our [as?] securing the ownership and responsibility of the paper we regard as the only practical thing that can be done toward relieving Mr. C. from his difficulties. Of course we should not want it unless he was its Editor and we could be its business managers. We can make it pay (we think) in a very short time -- Beside we are deeply interested in sustaining every journal that dares in the days of literary flunkeyism to be independent, and make the literature of a country what it should be. Now if Mr. C can obtain a business party to do the business of the paper (T&E or some other), what a flourishing paper could be got up. But T&E do not want to be subjected to any liabilities connected with the past of the S.P. and therefore proceed with caution before operating. We wrote to Mr. C some days ago making an offer, but now we shall act having in view your suggestion. About the L of G -- our Mr. E is in the country to return tonight or tomorrow. He will write you at length about the Cheap Edition as he has it in charge -- Will Mr. Clapp useDear Walt, I wrote you in the name of T & E a longer letter than I intended. Somehow I could not stop. I felt such a wondrous geniality, that I enjoyed looking at your handwriting and imagined you were before me instead of the letter. My dear little wife wants to write you a letter, and will when the domestic gods are propitious, so that she can talk with the great Poet as she would like. She has had much ill health, but is now much better. I wish you could visit our home. The country is delightful. You would laugh and grow fat to see our blessed Jamaica Plain, and enjoy its beauties. Come and see us if you can. There now, some business comes in that I must attend to so I close W.W.T.Thayer & Eldridge (about Takg Saturday Press) (2 love to seek you and learn to know you. And have we not known you? We will try the Smithsonian House when we are obliged to represent the "Hub" in Gotham. Either Mr E or T will be in New York soon on business and will then see you, unless that you first come to Boston. Frank regretted his missing you. Perhaps the miss in this case was a mile. We do not care one single damn for the Miss Nancys of Bookdom but shall continue to publish and sell Leaves of Grass "so long" as Walt will have us. Goodbye for a day or two from your genuine Thayer & Eldridge (over)Boston Oct 11, 1860 Dear Walt We received your letters with the advertisement which will be attended to. We cannot however stereotype your little book now as we have so much already underway [now]. We shall hardly be ready for it under two months, but shall certainly commence on it by the first of January. In regard to money matters, we are very short ourselves and it is quite impossible to send you the sum you name. We would if we could. Business will be stagnant with us till after the Presidential election when with our new books we shall get up a rush. Ever yours, Thayer & Eldridge P.S. We will let you know when we are ready for the Banner at Daybreak, so as to give you ample time to make preparations to come onTHAYER & ELDRIDGE PUBLISHERS & WHOLESALE BOOKSELLERS II4 & II6 WASHINGTON ST. BOSTON. CONSTANTLY ISSUING LIVE BOOKS FOR THE PEOPLE. BOOKS FOR CANVASSERS. AGENTS WANTED! CIRCULARS AND CATALOGUES MAILED FREE. BOSTON Oct. 12 Walt Whitman Portland Av. next to Myrtle Brooklyn, N.Y. Thayer & Eldridge just before the failureBoston Oct 15 1860 Dear Walt Your favor is at hand. We cannot let you have the amount you name or any amount for the present. This is our final answer for the time being. Yours Truly, Thayer & Eldridge.[Letter from P.B. Yale] EajliswThayer & Eldridge Publishers & Wholesale Booksellers, 114 & 116 Washington St., Boston. Constantly Issuine Live Books for the people. Books for canvassers. Agents wanted! Circulars and Catalogues mailed free. Thayer Dec 12t '60 Walt Whitman Portland Avenue next to Myrtle Brooklyn N.Y.Boston Dec. 1st '60 Dear Walt Things look immensely dubious today. Cant tell you anything encouraging at present. We are working hard. Do not use the check yet. Will write you again Monday or Tuesday. Hoping for the best good of us all we remain your friends - brothers T+E P.S. My wife sends her warm regards to you She desires much to see you. W. W. T.Do not for God's sake breathe a word of this to any one even after the papers report it. Boston Dec 5/60 Dear Walt We go by the board tomorrow or next day. Please return the check to Wm. Honeybun care of Thayer + Eldridge. We have fixed your account so that creditors cannot trouble you + so that you owe us but a nominal sum just for appearance sake. Our friends would help us but from the condition of our affairs + the prospect of bad business for six or twelve months to come advise us to stop immediately wind up + begin again. Yours truly, T+EThayer + Eldridge (announcing failure) Walt Whitman Portland Avenue next to Myrtle Brooklyn N.Y.Sold by C. K. DARLING, Law Stationer, } 15 Exchange Street, Boston. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Suffolk, ss. Boston, 30 January 1861 COURT OF INSOLVENCY, Before the honorable Isaac Ames, Judge of Probate and Insolvency, in and for the County of Suffolk. The 2nd Meeting of the Creditors of Thayer & Eldridge Insolvent Debtor will be holden at a Court of insolvency, at the Insolvency Court Room, in said Boston, on the 19th day of February at 9½ o'clock, in the fore noon, at which time, Creditors may prove their claims. A Jewell & Chas. Y. Kendall Assignees P. S. -- Claims against said Debtor should be made up as cash, to the 10th day of January 1861 that being the day of the first publication of the notice of the issuing of the Warrant of this case. TO CREDITORS. SUGGESTIONS AUTHORIZED BY THE COURT. The amount to be proved is the balance due the creditor, and when possible, it should be ascertained before attendance at the meeting of Creditors. Claims are to be made up as cash, to the day of first publication, stated under the Messenger's Notice; interest, when it is legally due, being added to claims over due, and deducted on claims not due on that day. Where the vouchers for the claims are promissory notes, orders or negotiable paper, they must be produced to the Court, when the claim is offered for proof. Creditors, residing in other States, who do not attend the meeting, except when it is otherwise provided by law, must themselves make the oath, required by our Statute, before some person legally qualified to administer the same, and his certificate thereof to be properly authenticated. The blank forms, for the vote for Assignee should be filled up with the full christian name and place of residence of the person or persons voted for, and signed by the individual, who is to cast the same, before presenting the oath to the Court. Proof of claims at the early meetings is very desirable, as dividends will be declared as soon and as often, as the state of the Assignee's account, and the number of claims proved will allow.Law Offices of Harvey Jewell and Walbridge A. Field, 20 Court Street, Boston Feb. 6, 1861 My dear Sir: Please find bill inclosed of 20.24. You are requested to pay the same immediately Are much obliged Your [M svnt?] H. Jewell & S. Kendall Assignees of estate of Thayer & EldridgeFrom Assignees of Thayer & Eldridge Feb '61Walt Whitman To Thayer & Eldridge Dr. 1860 July 31 To Balance of a/c $20 24 Boston 10 January 1867.Walt Whitman D. Brooklyn NYNew York, Dec. 4 1866 Mess. Thayer & Eldridge Gent, Please to send by return mail a copy of Whitman, Leaves of Grass to the address of E.H. Courtenay U.S. Coast Liracy Washington D.C. & bill to us, on receipt of which we will remit at once. Yours respy B. Westermann & Co Booksellers [*Dear E. -- Will you pass this over to Walt? I have written Westermann & Co explanatory. W W Thayer*]