150 Ex Libris Houdini THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS 1800 Class Book THE BEQUEST OF HARRY HOUDINI 1927 [6] 7 Vol 5925 2nd May 1854 to 6722 5 dec. 1854 2nd May 1854 to 5 Dec. 1854 5955 Continuation of Contents 6002 FH. My alter iden. or atmospheric Spirit " his reason for [waiting?] to appear oftener " his knowledge and actions as music " his annoying [?] = as to orion, his retort abt the tooth " his place abt 3000 feet above the Earth " hills mountains Houses on the Atc. World " as to [?] this answer -- as to balloons -- " his objection to my ascendg in a balloon his exit 6030 CA question on St Marks Gospel. Blasphemy abt the Holy Spirit 6038 Special providences. "Sufficient faith" attainable -- but not always necessary Explanatory [?] not the God of the dead 6044 Christs knowledge unlimited-Baptism [?] 6054 Semirus 6063 Not to ask questions until free from doubt abt his GS. the probable height of the atmosphere 500 [?]. (3000 feet) 6079-81 Spirit power of [learning?] until each or some unworthy to call Two leaves on private affairs, I cut out some years since as to my father- 6089 CA Question on St Lukes Gospel as to the date of Christ's birth 6095 [M?] long priests "I beheld Satan as lightning" [E?} of the 3 days in the past 6112 Zabianism and its rites. 6115 As to Spirit Rapping- Any changing sides - with any seer handed the [Rx?] 6118 Destined to tell me the formula for living [?] my health generally 6123 The formula for X [a?] performed. 6124 F.H my At Spirit with his usual impertinence As to the CA [c?] him. tor. another. 6132 Cct. Mr [O?] questions answered 6150 Persons to [?] W G Dresser the ES Crystal. I must discharge it of all visions connected with myself. 6151 [C?] questions St Johns Gospel 6173 As to Mr. OWM 6176 My Greek and Hebrew Stone note to work the Crystals 6185 Language. Adams. [?] the hearts +c. " [?] misses nor any other. [?] was informed. 6192 CA his remark on my exercising him. Evil spirits cannot take the human form at all as do Orion and other spirits 6195 Isaiah. Jerem'h - Prophecy with inspiration " Saint John Gospel cont'd " a clock came again the C A's explanation FH. my At Spirit 6209 his valuable opinion on the Crimean War his repeating my own remarks on [?ace] bets - 6212.3 & his reply If I [releved?] my brain I [releved?] his 6216 he pokes fun at me 6219 Mr Dressor annoys me in the Erans Glass Mirror 6220 C A. his remarks on [dv divinity?] St John continued VI John V 51 to 55 The Unitarian View correct. VIII The C A's Views of this Chapter 6240 As to rapping spirits 6248 Evansi an Angel of Hades, his [C??] say: Peace 6250 to take care of my watch invoked Evansi on the C A mirror 6257 Evil consequences attending dismissal (by force) The formula 6257b his seal 6252 M Dresser again presents my Visions Mr C. D Stuarts questions 81 6258 CA prayers serviceable to deceased mortals whilst in the AT'. 6261 purgatory. - purification - its uses J. C and V M. Both mediations Mr Dresser while in the Evansian Glass, not on my Crystal 6274 The C A's odd idea of [fM?] - 6284 6276-7 The spell. - the only one. As to Mr C. D. Stuarts. Mental opp' 6282 his opinion of Dr. Elliottson 6283 The CA again objects to my giving the C. unless the -- [Society?] at J. 6285 Remarks on the [Bible?] 6293 as to my Father. no visions from 27 June to 15 Aug't 6295 The [Cauvacer?] appears after next Tuesday Evg Mr Dresser reappeared 6297 Mr Andersons Cousin Mr A in the Crimea his not being able to speak English prevent the new [?] asked for a Spanish couplet - no [?] 6308 J.H his remarks as to my calling before next Tuesday his remarks on the C. A - guessed not displeased Best for me not to go to Clepslow Not to mes: Mr Gelty or his friends Believed in astrology - asked for my correct time no [?] 6314 CA not to go Clepslow not to [mesm?] As to E S. not writing to me his long absence prevented his giving [?] [?] & clearly 6321 The Book of Job - an shstorical novel written in the time of Moses made Holy writ by him opinion on [?] 1 Corinthians 111.19 Job IX.9. The pleiades [?] etc I Job. 6-7 [?] - the occult power of the [?] - greater than speech the death[s] of so many persons not real The poor mans death. Book of Malthus & his [?]72,000. The Assyrian Antiquities - [s] of the [?] Mrs [?] M. B 6343 As to the F. R. C As to the Formula moving [?] Comets 6352 Assyrian antiquities - Mohamed Ali "I am jealous of others even as a man" Mohamed Ali - not a spirit from this Earth. 6358 meaning of spirits names " Himder " 6359 the Crystal. The cause of his being my GS As to my going to Seven Oaks - N' [?] [?] 6363 Man formed from the Earth - the Vision. - the Vision as he [?] next Sunday 6368 Mr [?] on [appea?] 6374 C A. my visit to Robert Owen 6377 his remarks on the Old & New Testament 6378 to 6391 Responses to propositions in "Spiritualism in the West. 6395 Answers to Robert Owens propositions 6401 CA to write to women & to America [h] his opinion of Dr Rice Instructions to let the M remained Charged till ♄die Inpregnated my Seal To wear the Seal whent I went to Windsor The vision continued - see 6574 6405 The M. in 8 divisions 6414 ♄die Sept 16/54 -to discharge the Mirror as he had done his duty whilst I was in danger CA - 19 Sept / 54 Dr Henry Travis present. 128 Heinrich Jung-Stilling 6418 Answers to 20 propositions in his Theory of Pneumatology 6444 Answers to Dr Travis's questions 6458 Earl Stanhopes letter to me 6456 My letters to the Harmonial Socy 6466 to 6485 Answers to H J Stillings Theorems 21. to 41 6487 Mr Dresser presents the Vision. 6490 The C A would be shortly able to present it 6491,6507 Women & Dr Travis both present 6572/30 Answers to Jung Stillings propositions 6531 As to testing rapping & uniting 8 pts [6080] As to Mr Dressers app'n 6534 6539 As to spirits being unable to speak first 6542 Why Emmas [?] Sp' gives so much better answer then my own no ans'r asked twice 6543 Crystal seeing purely a Spiritual faculty Spirits names 6546 If spirits able to translate Latin Works no answer 6547 Mr Cox (of [?] St) & his friend found rec'd a book on the Crystal which look [?] [?] 6549 Spirits can appear in two Crystals at 2 different places at the same time 6552 No answer as to ESL G.S 6555 Cannot present Mr D. s at [S?]' [?] [?] but answer'd me immediately to get my [?] back but after the 1 Tuesday in Sept to be confined to the Evani Glass 11 months hence 6360.61-2 The hazeltons 6564 6565-7 As to thefts [?] goods 6568 As to my Magical book. Secret : secret : 6569 As to the Formula 6570 [?] as to material [?] - [?] 6571 [?] response as to physical manifestations 6573. CA. Congradulations on my birthday 6574 The vision continued from 6401 The Vision dispelled thru my inadvertence 6578 As to my letter to [?] Louis Harm?] - & 6585 - 6 79&80 [D] Prop. 5 as to the Doctrine of the atonement 6581-4 Rapping & [counting?] spirits, their motives & false representations 6587 C A [?] & show this [?] the per's vision I had dispelled 6574 6588 My opinion as to [Nich's] l0'. [Jos?] [?], opposed by the C A 6589 the prayers of priests - unheeded - in regard to Battles 6591 our success in the Crimea 6592 As to Sir [?]. Franklins death - 2y lat - & long 6595.6 The Vital principle 6597 No answer to the q'n where Jesus & his disciples [?] [?] [?] [?] body 6599 Mr Owens part 4 c 5 of the [?] existance 6660.1.2 [Invisibility] - the power over others. & my formula [6]6602 Formula for cases denied 6604 That I should be acquainted with the [?] of the F.R.C 6605 The Craft 6610 As to my losing my [?] & his impregnating another 6628 6611 Robert Owen his questions 6614 Leas GS JM 6621 -- 4-6 As to J.C. appearing to Robert Owen 6685 the Comp' K [?] As to the actions of J C 6630 Remarks on St. John on the atonement 6634 The [?] of the priesthood. 6635.6 [Azaz?] St. Chief of Evil Spirits 6638 The [Ephor?] 6[?]39 Inscription on my Stone Fragment No answer 6645 [?] has ret'd to the E S. Crystal 6651 Our prayers acceptable thru J. C & V M 6652 The C A compelled to leave Early 6657 The Thames the abode of Evil spirits - [?] & other rivers 6660 The Chief of those Evil Spirits 6664 Quy as to the [GS?] of the Japan C A [?] give 6665 Mr Anderson 6669 Mr A at the battle of Inkerman 6670 Rather be in one of the batteries at Sevastopol than alone with an unearthly visitor - 6672 Promoted early 6674 as to many [?] of the Philosophy of the Sp't World 6676 An English Genl. wounded 6678 - 6681 At his next visit [?] give me his name 6682 If I had cast his horoscope 6684 as to [?][?] hope 6687 His mothers influence 6689 as to taking [Sab'l ?] before Xmas no 6694 His power of bringing others with him into the Crystal as the MC. 6695 Anderson his fight with fatty at Marseilles -- Mr. Powell 6703 as to some officers cowardice - at Crimea 6705 CA Mr Gilkes questions 6706 [Abruptly opening?] physical manifestation rather than Intell. 6711: 12 "Christian as 6713 Mr Gilkes suddenly leaving & his opinion of my friend. 6714-16 My going to Leas & advice as to his crystal writing 6718 Robert Owen "a good man" 6721 Anderson wounded in the 2nd dec. 6722 The Allens would be successful. Last response Vol. 7. 5 Dec/54 THE Crystal Vol VII 2nd May 1854 to 5th Dec. 1854 A Record of Visions and Conferences with the In-dwellers of the SPIRIT WORLD. Croydon Fred Hockley Bequest of Harry Houdini April 1927 [Mars symbol] die 2nd May 1854 Continued. The C.A Mirror Having finished the Gospel of St. Matthew P. and not having any more scriptural questions to propose I wish to ask why as you ment last Tuesday, that you Could not stay long "Tomorrow prevents therf" ..You Could not stay as you wished (No answer) I cannot contemplate without great horror the thoughts that in the 19th Century of Christianity nations sh.d be plunged in War so many thousands, Men Women & Children, lose their lives in every conceivable degree of Sin,.. & the misery & sorrow of the widows & orphans occasioned thereby, at the Will of a despotic Sovereign - would it not be better, that the Emperor Nicholas, as any other miscreant ocasioning an unjust or aggressive War 2 should by a fit of apoplexy be stopped at the very commencement of their atrocities--1/2 a dozen examples would doubtless suffice -- & surely that would be better than so many thousands butchering one another. 582 5925 It would not, all those who die in or through the War, who are innocent of the cause only suffer for a moment thro the loss of them & as many of them who die they are removed to a state of happiness and the world is lessened of a too greatly increasing population -- whereas if the head & Chief was to die suddenly while contemplating the aggression of which he was the cause he would be everlastingly lost and the world in no way the better You look upon death as a horrible Event depriving men of their happiness I look upon it as the greatest blessing to man. that of throwing off all Earthly matter & entering unalloyed everlasting bliss. But those who are Engaged in War are thereby rendered unfit to face their Maker, take Badajoz for instance 5926 583 It is not so The world is large Enough for all had they not better be cultivating the Steppes of Asia, the Wilds of America or the plains of Australia 5927 584 There is room enough for them to live in but there is not money enough to keep them when one class has the money 3 the other must suffer for it. during the late War Te deums were sung by opposing Nations for the same battle — & [are] priests are still ready & willing at the bidding of their governments to hoodwink the populace in the same manner during this War, is not that a Crime 5928 585 It is very sinful May I ask your view & opinion of the day of "fasting & humiliation" as it was termed which took place last Wednesday here in England 5929 586 No answer did you think it right & proper 5930 " No answer. May I ask why atmospheric spirits of my friends [should] among me by their presence, when they w.d not do so upon any account in the body. 5931 587 I will answer that at another time 5932 588 I wish you to understand before I leave this mirror that nothing causes me so much displeasure - or nothing is more likely to prevent good visions from appear.g than money or presents between people for the use and instruction of spiritual matters. and the article of dress or ornament wears heavily upon the person who receives it as a recompense for such spiritual information I explained &c 5933 589 I know that you have not received yourself any thing, I am not alluding 4 to that, but that you have given it & altho ostensibly for another purpose it is only for that. I again explained my intent I hoped it would not come as my displeasure- 5934 590 Not anger his grief, for in doing that you have been undoing what I have so long been trying to induce, unlimited confidence between myself and You. I explained. 5935 591 You entirely misunderstand me. 5936 592 Yes I will do so, but do not do it again It is for your own sake, that I ask it let everything no matter great while the Value it is the same pass between you. The CA's going 10 PM. 1/4 past 10 ES. Crystal Called Mr G I. T No Vision Invoked Constantine No Vision Can we have any further Vision this Evening 5937 no other besides Mr Anderson 10 .20 Called Mr Anderson 5938 he will appear in twenty minutes 10 40. He immediately appeared in Uniform. Blue trousers red stripe,, Scarlet Coat & epaulettes 5 How are you getting on at Malta. 5939 Quite well thank you, I hope we shall not stay here much longer now, nothing to do and such a lot of idle young men together. They lead me so much into mischief. You saw Miss Green the other evening after I left didn’t you, what did the old Virgin say. No, but seriously— (here he put a grave face on) since I have been at Malta I have tried several times to see if the faculty of seeing was entirely gone. For that purpose I got a common looking glass I summoned a spirit that informed me, another was at the same time who was nearly connected with me, in your mirror from his saying that of course I asked him what he was telling you And what did he say 5940 After great difficulty he made himself understood to say that you was then asking questions concerning ceremonies of Baptism consecrating marriages & Burials as now performed in the Church of England. That is true I was doing so 5941 that was of course all new to me being a Roman Catholic in Religion, & when in England never attending the Church of England, after some remarks I asked 6 that was his opinion if those ceremonies as performed in the Church of England x he said that none of them was necessary. Now I don't think that agrees with my kind of Religions feeling of whatever sect. that no ceremony is necessary either for Baptism(Confirmatn I believe to be perfectly superfluous) Marriage & Burial what is your opinion I told him my opinion that "Justification by Baptism" was an Error 5942 Our priests strongly uphold that and on marriage I was told that was perfectly unnecessary. So it is as a religious rite- the English Law has Established it now as a civil law.- The Society of Friends do not use either Baptism or Marriage as a religious rite. do they not- but if no ceremony at 5943 all is to consecrate a marriage It does entirely away with all morality Roman Catholics do not treat it in that light- Yet it is much easier to get divorced in Roman Catholic Countries than in England 5944 Ok Yes Why he can jump out of Purgatory for a Sovereign any time. Yes but you do not, can not believe that priestly juggle no, but it is frightful to think him 5945 Many of the lower orders do in Spain 7 Have you lost your troublesome Phantom Visitors yet 5946 Yes at present I have. Will you come in next Tuesday 5947 I don't suppose you will have time then but if I I have I will call if agreeable 5948 Quite so hes gone 5' past 11 PM. [Mars symbol] die May 9.h 1854 C. A Mirror Invoked the C A. 1/4 to 8. PM. He's here as usual. May I ask if it will be agreeable for you to favor me with the remainder of the Information as to these spiritual apparitions 5949 593 I will have you any other questions not this Evening and I beg to receive the continuation in reference to these Spiritual Apparitions 5950 594 Before the Earth was made about 2000 Angels were created [they were] made in the image of their [Creator] Maker. There was no distinction between them, [and] they were Angels of the Highest Order When the Earth was made and the first man, it was the intention of the Divine Master that these Angels should have the Guardianship of those upon earth and the whole generation of their offspring One of these Angels was expelled from the highest order for his endeavors 8 594 to create in the minds of the others a desire 5950 to become the rulers entirely of the earth, in this he succeeded partially with some but over the majority of them he had no influence He was degraded for this, but in no other way punished -- he then blasphemed The most High and cursed the human race., for this he was banned out of the spheres and left to dwell upon earth It was thro' him that the orders of Angels were divided, the Holiest were those who would not hearken unto him., These then constituted the seven spheres. The second agreed with him a little, the 3rd more so, they all agreed more & more with him until they came to the first, and they agreed with him at that time almost entirely At this time no place of punishment was made, but Eve being then created and living with Adam in the Garden of [Eden]. Paradise, He thought he could not make his revenge on those who had expelled him than by making her eat the for[e]bidden fruit. For that he was banned into the boundless space in which the world was a [?]. Once being there he soon created monsters in the waters under the earth he then had no companions in the A Cain, Dr Pye Smith in his Scripture Testimony I 231-233 "presents the argument in the following pointed [?]" Dr Eadie (in p 80 [?] Cyc.) gives this pointed [?] but it more resembles "The Adam & Eve of Milton" than [any] Moses.-- The Burthen is that the Exclamation by Eve "I have gotten a man from the Lord" had reference to the promise of a coming Redeemer in Mans nature to save our guilty race, and that Eve supposed in this first birth the promise was fulfilled. B. Two Clergymen's Charitable conception of the "Mercy" of God: "It is a poor, mean, and narrow conception of the Damned which Drexelius hath laid down he supposing them to be an hundred thousand million!! of men! Tobias Swinden MA. Rector of Cuxton Kent p. 92 Enquiry into the Nature & Place of Hell Drexelius de damnator carcese & roge p[?] 2 cap 8. The Rev.d Tobias must certainly have been suffering under indigestion " from his too unctious Tithe=pig= 100,000,000,000 – not enough "poor, mean, & narrow," See also response no. 664 – 9 594 5950 Human form and so be continued planning new modes of destruction until the birth of Christ. The reading has become difficult to Emma 1704 By that time many had died upon the earth, and Cain who the earliest that he had induced to Commit Sin, and had received their souls into his own hands. A At the time of the Birth he had on his dominions about 300 souls for some time after that period they increased very rapidly so that up to the year Seventeen hundred and four there were 15000 Souls with him, but since that time Religion has gradually become more prevalent, not so many mortal Crimes have been committed and what have been done, have in a great many cases been repented of so that at the present time there is not more than 1675 souls in Punishment Considering the many who have died happily and have attained perfect as partial happiness, the number is not many [*note B*] Very different from what is supposed by many very learned clergy. The number of angels from the Creation of the World down to the Birth of Christ and continually increased [*All numbers in spiritual communication are to be recorded with diffidence = in no other way to spirits - So much differ with each other & themselves and [papers?] ]have?] [always?] [?] differently in being read.*] by many very good men who left the Earth and at the time of the Birth the number in the whole of the Seven Spheres was 5500. But if there the Heavenly Host was 1500, the Remaining Spirits of the Mortals who had inhabited the earth were either [passed?] the state of Bless [?] dormant as I explained to you before then who were not [?] angels grew in the atmosphere awaiting [Protection?] all those 5000 angels [?] the Guardian spirits of [?] upon faith [?] the population increased the number of angels increased also from those who died. Since the Birth of Chid the number of angels has increased that at the present time there is about half the number of angels as there are [?] upon Earth. One [?] part in [?] [?] [?] say in [?] [?] [?] In a man his life and the child [?] it is 2 year old so that when they are single the guardian angel [?] [?] power than when [?], as when [man???] the power [?] [?] Then are some cares in [?] They both a separate [R???n] [?] The [?] in the [?] piece because very [in??????] 11 And upon requesting the C A [?] render the response plainer. The mirror appeared thus 595 [drawing] I cannot understand 5951 [drawing] why you have so much [drawing] difficulty in knowing [drawing] what I say. I explained I requested his aid in making it plainer 596 I will do so It is some one so strongly wishing to 5952 see you, that prevents its being plainer Before I continue my explanation have you any question to ask on what I have said - if you have I will ansr. them now and then proceed. I [?] thanks and declined The C A proceded 597 The [?] [?] was the first means of divining by the Crystal, Its origin was Semi-Divine from this all other modes of Divining arose. - [that in the first place] give [gave] man a desire to obtain knowledge unknown to others, as [people] mentors increased in knowledge [?] [that] became more frequently used [and is the best mode of arriving - it] & is the best means by which any spiritual knowledge can be gained This so closely connected with the Spiritual World that any one using that with the give of second sight can 5953 12 597 see thro that into the spirit World, the spirits do not actually appear in that nor the atmospheric spirits, but you through that look in at and converse with them, while moving thro' their own [*check mark*] sphere. - [It is] in the same way that you make a window in a house to look into the street -- You shll stay in your room but if you wish to converse with any one in the street you would speak. [How??] courtesy would oblige them to answer that is the way with the Atmospheric spirits Wherever [With the] Guardian spirits & spirits of [a][the] higher orders [it is rather different wherever they] move in the spiritual World the air that surrounds them is cleared of every thing in any degree more gross than themselves Thus if an atmospheric spirit meet a Heavenly spirit the atmospheric spirit yields to the pressure of the air that surrounds the other [spirit] [?] to let him pass. in this way he visits the atmosphere, the spheres lower than his own. & the Earth. Without once coming in contact with those below him. unless he wishes it - so that when he is called on to converse with the person who calls him - the callers thoughts or rather will immediately reaches him the appears 5953 13 598 [sending] separating before him all influence less angelical than his own. whether bodily or spiritual Guardian Spirits and Angels of the highest degree are only seen in the [?] [?], the Crystal, & then in the Glass [and the Globular Vessel of Water]. The other modes of divining with by circle work - or by [?and] - is by ink or indeed any other way is only for the purpose of seeing dead persons atmospheric spirits, [and ?] wandering spirits & [?] spirits -- Unless [a] persons study long and earnestly the different ways of developing the [?] [?] with human reason for [their] his guide, with truth and good intentions, the benefit of their own body & soul and next to that the good of others they never can arrive at any degree of perfection in divining They never can place reliance upon it and they never can arrive at the Truth. - If any one wishes to begin this study I would give them a few directions - I [?] thanks &c. 599 I will - to yourself they are now useless, but the may be a guide to 5954 others who are just starting This is in Vol 4 of the draft at the end of the Vol. 600 14 5954 Having first procured a good clear stone or medium. one that no spirit has been called in before - and, supposing he could not see himself, a Seer. He must determine [not] to use it for no bad purpose, I do not say determine to use it only for good purposes . because many frivolous [?fling] things might occur that would induce him to use it on many occasions for the knowledge of things appertaining to the Flesh. but having determined now to use it for [no] any bad or unholy purpose. He should dedicate it first with a fervent prayer to God. 5955 Do not make use of a Mediator but firmly yet humbly trust that God will put you in possession of a GS. that will put you in power as show you the visions you may hereafter wish Having done this inspect the Crystal and before asking to see any vision ask the name of your GS. And having done this ask to see him and ask him to give you any advice he may think fit. in using it ask him to name the days that he will appear & also the ones on which you may see other visions ask him to become the GS of your Crystal to prevent any Evil Spirit from appearing and to give you timely 15 600 5955 Notice of any thing about to happen to you that you may prevent it or that he may prevent it for you. This done discharge him [by]. he should not be kept more than half an hour at the first meeting. When you invoke him the next time you know the invocation & discharge ex 3 times before you ask him any questions if at those 3 times he does not vanish you may perfectly rely upon [you] him. After the first time you may keep him as long[s] as it suits your & his Convenience. If he wishes to leave he can go without a discharge but be careful that you always use a discharge After having finished of a night. On invoking any atmosphc. spirit or the Spirit of any inferior degree such as those of the [sun symbol] & [moon symbol] _ the atmospheric Spirits of living as well as dead people always use the term "If convenient or Agreeable". or at your pleasure. But more particularly of a living person. _ to a Spirit of a higher order or your GS,. it is not necessary. But above all do not use it in any way. Or make it directly or Indirectly an object, for the gaining of money It may appear to go on 16 600 5953 very smoothly for a few times you may have the information and the visions you wish for but for in the end the consequences are lamentable - and the come sooner or later When you have got used to a Crystal, feel confidence in it and assured in many ways of the Truth of it, then you can [either use] use a mirror [?] [or a bottle of water. The mirror is a great deal] [?] the best. a very great deal the best. [for water however pure always contains an animal substance]. The mirror you use the same as a Crystal but from seeing visions so large and lifelike and from the size of the hole which is made by that in the Spiritual [World] Wall it enables you to come more closely in contact with the spirits you address of all modes of divining this is the easiest and the best. [the trouble is not great the expense is still less so], the information is given slowly at first but gradually more and more until you reach the grand heights of all human knowledge upon spiritual matters. Until you know as much as the human mind can in any way comprehend of what passes beyond its own world By the allegorical picture of the city of human habitations & the wall that surrounds it I meant the world and its inhabitants 17 600 The space above it the atmosphere 5955 the walls that surround it, the bounds of human knowledge unassisted by spiritual aid, and the holes in those walls which so few could reach., the way of attaining the [?] and the only true Method of Divining - When there you are still liable to great error unless helped and directed by your Guardian Spirit - The water that surrounds that wall is what is termed by men Hell, the space above is the atmosphere, and the seven that tower above that the spheres of 1926 26 happiness. _ . On next Tuesday Evening I hope to continue my questions from the scriptures 601 Do so, I shall be happy to answer them 5956 I wish you to ask any question that may arise from what I have said now or before if you think it necessary. As to, the Formula, [?]. Vol. 602 I will give it you but not this Evening there is on of your friends that I do 5957 not wish to know it - Mr [?] My wish for many things to be kept from him does not arise from any derision that I have for him, but he is so likely to put it to a wrong use. I know a gentleman Mr. J C. of Birmingham The Number of the Damned - see page 9. It is a poor, mean, narrow, conception of the numbers of the Damned which Drexelius hath laid down he supposed them to be an hundred thousand millions of men -– but alas how infinitely short is that computation to those multitudes who as many are set in opposition by Christ to the few saints, which yet no man can remember? Revd Tobias Swinden Enquiry page 92 The Merciful Tobias waxeth exceeding [?oth] with Origen for holding the Heterodox and unsound opinion "That wicked men and even devils, after they have page. 277 suffered a sharp and continued torment for their Sins, shall, some at one time and some at another, sooner or later, according to the greater or less depravity of their wills be reconciled to God and finally saved". Nay he is most satisfied with those "who affirm not that wicked men will be saved, but that they shall be reduced page. 277 to their first nothing, or that there will be an other extinction of their Being." No says the humane Tobias, punishment & then anihilation is not enough – The Mercy of God; which tho infinite as himself, is yet not capable of being extended to those obstinate and wilful offenders, to them that despise, revile and trample it under foot. to them that contemn, and undermine, and oppose the gracious designs of it." A man not 72 inches high, limiting the Mercy of God. 18 who has expressed a wish to be present at our evenings discourse. For he is a gentleman for whom I have reasons to entertain the greatest respect. Will you please to appear on the evening that may suit his convenience 603 5958 Certainly I will appear and give you all the information in my power but it will be best that Mr. G I [?] should not be present at the same time May I ask if I am correct on the number of lapsed souls ( ) stated by you to be in what Christians term Hell. Seeing that clergymen, with [a] modest ideas of their own perfections, are continually dooming in pulpit & in print - all who differ from their [?] [?] to eternal destruction - & even considers - [Duxelelius' ?] estimate of lapsed souls at 100,000 millions a poor & pitiful estimate. 604 5957 That is the number It is not reasonable to suppose that the Almighty in His great mercy and clemency and loving kindness to ALL mankind would allow those to be punished who had sinned It is those who [immediately rush] madly rush into sin knowing it to be such and commit crime after crime and will not hear of the atonement repentance but trusts in his own might and greatness. He is perfectly careless whether he is saved or punished It is for those who on the very gallows at the point of death for [?] exclaim "Now for the grand secret that no mercy is shown for the [?] by [?] such as those would not show himself just to thou who had been murdered by their hand He avenges himself and and the friends of those who are murdered or those who are really guilty by lasting punishment. For altho ? of great mercy He is a God of justice as well and before acting, he ? weighs the consequences both for one person and the ? at large. A few weeks since 3 men were hung in Ireland for the murder of a Protestant. ? the place of execution they conducted themselves as tho' martyrs for a holy [?][?]the [multitude?] under the superstitious [?] of their priests appeared to [?] them as such also. These men by their priests were induced to believe that they were some of the heavenly [?] and for their murderous outrage. 605 It was not their fault poor things they fervently believed they were doing right because those high in religion persuaded them to it, and they died without a [pang?] because they believe their priests had the power of keeping them out of [?][?] When whom then will the punishment for their atrocity fall. 5961 606 Upon the [instigator?] and the [?] 20 of the crime[s] in such a case as that and those who are killed hurredly & unprepared are held guiltless It is looked upon the same as tho it was an accident which had deprived them of life May I ask how long the atrocities of this [?] are to be a curse upon mankind. 5962 607 It will continue in a degree until the millenium commences May we see Mr Anderson this evening after you leave 5963 608 You can if he will appear, Did he not give you directions for raising spirits from [?] encircled by water he did and thought there was no harm in doing it but thanks to your information, I think it can only be done by evil spirits 5964 609 He knew they were not good ones. I did not intend to use it without your sanction but I often regret that I have no means of giving [?] demonstration to my friends of the birth of these spiritual apparitions 5965 610 There are many thousands of persons who unless they are actually frightened by a thing will not believe it. Mr Anderson from being abroad and with people who practice these things so long knows almost every means good and bad. by which spirits may be raised, called or felt, by a human person. but he now has been so many 21 times frightened & disturbed by spiritual visions that he very much wished a little time ago to lose his power & discontinue the study and now he has lost it. he wishes more than any thing else to have it back again. He told Evani the dove angel a few nights ago, since he has lost all power of vision except the crystal, but that was not enough, he was afraid something might happen he shouldn't know any thing abt. The CA's gone. 25 to 11 PM. Called Mr. Anderson (In 2 minutes) He is here in uniform Are you at Gallipoli or Constantinople yet 5966 No, we embarked last night, the Sea agrees with me So Admiral Dundas has returned to knock down the fists of Odessa. burn some ships & take others. (hes given his head a jerk up.) 5967 If he had done it 6 weeks ago I should have thought it a good deal better I wish I was at home Why so 5968 A good many reasons I hope I shall get back by next Winter we shant be able to fight then when the Autumn comes on I shall come home. Selina says she hopes you will come & see us then 5969 I have no doubt among all Miss's devoted 22 admirers I should be one of the humbled - but I trust most Sincere. Selma says can't you give her a piece of Poetry for her album [*5970*] I must have the pleasure of writing it myself. I wish you would think of a Verse or [?] [?] [*5971*] I am sure you never will as far as I am concerned, I never learnt any [?] Songs & I am [?] I [?] not adore such post. Cannot you oblige us with a couplet of some favorite Spanish author. [*5972*] I dare say I could, while I read them & [?] [?] spell the [??nds] and not [kn????] the language it will belong a philosophical & psychological Amnity After some making some faces at my request he left. 10 ' [?] PM. [?] die May 1854. C A Mirror 8 [?] 20 PM [?] the C. A. The CA is here in white, [?] from [?]. no [?] Arms covered to the wrist. [?] earned last [?] when in the to obtain a vision in the [?] Crystal [?] informed them my an objection from having visions - So these then any objection from having visions then in the fields as 23 Often as we used to do last summer and the Summer before. 611 5973 There is an objection Tuesday Evening is quite longe enough for you to have any visions you may wish. We wish to limit it only to Atmospheric Spirits only Can you tell us which Evening might do for that purpose 5974 612 I gave you my Answer to the first questn. As to LH. 5975 613 You must not give them any assistce. at present. May I ask - did the souls of Mortals exist prior to the time of Adam. That is before the Creation of this Earth. 614 5976 They have not. Man was Created Body and Soul after the World. May I ask if at the Birth of Every Child that comes into the world, a new soul is created for that child 615 5977 Three persons have been born again one of them three times since the beginning The others have all had new souls May I ask their names 5978 616 I [have] told you once who they were [?] my regret that having as yet 2 volumes of rough noted not yet fair copied. + consequentially was bid to repeat questions already answered May I call Count Cagliostro - in any of my Crystals or mirrors. 617 5979 I have no objection to you calling him in the Evani Crystal. *24* You informed me that some [criminals] had spirits which [epioled] after death. [?] of a [specie] of [?] or only individuals 618 A few of the most beautiful of [?] [5980] [Vivid.] As the spirits of [?] exist in the Spirit World the [?] with our atmospheric spirits 5981 619 [Their] likenesses [or] in the atmosphere is the probable [?] of the [percent] was [freseenly] spirits 5982 620 [Shi] felt and known not seen. May I ask if [they] was any [?], use of device (Apart from the fact that Prayer is good for all and) at all times I'm the [day] of humiliation [?] of the present [?] held in England on the (after considerable delay) 5983 621 There was not I was [Adorn] [free] from [sin] when if not placed in [pladice] 5984 622 he was. [?] me where [?] [?] [?] 5985 623 I cannot [On] [ca] hi Atmospheric spirit [telled] me 59886 624 [he] can. Can close [Es.] [?] [Benton] if I call them. 5987 625 The atmospheric spirit of yourself wishes to appear to much this evening, the other [could] not appear before him there is no objection to your calling them after. I should be very happy to see my [A.t.] but his behavior is so [frivolous] Can you not [?] or [convinced] [them] to give up individual [?] to our greatest 25 I have power over him but in exercising that I should be injuring You. I explained my not having any Scriptural questions ready.. and would therefore not detain the CA longer 625 5988 I have no wish to leave, if you have any questions not relating to the Bible I should be pleased to answer them. If you have not I will leave & your At'c. Spirit will appear, I think this Ev'i. he will not be frivolous [*GIT?*] Do you know where Mrs. T. is now 626 5989 I know where she is [*GIT?*] Where may I ask 627 5990 In the 4th Sphere [*GIT?*] 628 5991 happiness to her & approaching happiness to those higher When Mortals attain the 3rd & 4th Sphere is there any danger of losing that that happy estate 629 5992 There is not. [*GIT?*] May I ask where Mr. T is 630 5993 he is with his wife [*GIT?*] Do they in the Spirit State know that they once lived together upon Earth 631 5994 They are Companions, they have Affection for each other, but they do not remember any thing that existed in the World [*GIT?*] May I ask in what their occupation, or engagements Consist. - if not an improper question 632 5995 There is no objection to my telling you There is no reason why I should not, but I cannot explain to you that state of being which [?] corporeal beings must be as nothing. Can you tell me the name of a friend of M. D. Calely deceased and where he now is [*633*] M.D. GS would be more likely to tell [*5996*] him from his recent death and not having entered the first sphere. I cannot have any acquaintance with him. Can Ive see Semnis and this deceived friend next Tuesday [*5997 634*] You may There is one thing I wish to ask. [?] is the [???] our atmospheric spirits in [?????] & with [?] never associate [?] the body as Ms. Anderson the M.C. and myself Ann in Arm [*635*] It has taken place with Ms. Anderson but atmospheric spirits have the ball over one another, the same as one has over [*5998*] another, in the [?] frame. Ms. Anderson might have your likeness into the Crystal with his, it is not the atmospheric spirit of you that appears + then he speaks for you. Is there any arcana by which [?] can be effected, of [Con??] gratuitously by prayer such as performed by the [??] The Mormon to [*636*] There is. [*5999*] I do not recommend [Mess?es??n] even for those things, but should a person be in Bishop there would be no harm in your using if it may cure others but it moved not. 27 be beneficial to yourself. By what means were the cures I alluded to performed 6000 637 It was not prayer alone Will you inform me what other means were used 6001 638 I will tell you another evening The C A's gone 20' to 10 PM. Called Frederick Hockley You are here clothed as at present Are you my Ay. Spirit 6002 [639] Yes I am Why did you wish to come in so earnestly this evening 6003 [640] I came to know if you would call me oftener, If I would give you information consistent with the C A's In what does your knowledge consist different to mine 6004 [641] I do not know things unconnected with yourself any more than you do. I act over again your actions upon earth - Your knowledge is my knowledge, at the same time I know that which takes place immed'ly around me in the atmospheric world Do you know any Magical formulas which I do not know Corporeally. 6005 [642] No As my knowledge increases does yours also 6006 [643] Yes When I called Mr S. the other evening why did you appear and annoy us so much. 6007 [644] I could not help it Do you in your state know the spirit Orion 6008 Yes Is he a good or a bad spirit [*6009*] He is [?] a good many on Earth but they do not see him, but atmospheric spirits do. Why did you wish him to be your GS when he is not a good spirit. [*6010*] If he became my GS I should have [t?ea??h] and a good many other things I want you had. But is he not an invl spirit [*6011*] Yes I have that [?] Have you lost a tooth lately [*6012*] Who is nothing the frivolous question now It is not a frivolous question, but I wish you to answer that question seriously. [*6013*] When you lost that both the likeness existed no longer. When I had it replaced in my mouth was [?] who [?] [*6014*] No it was not. Will you inform me how high in your estimation is the atmosphere in which you live. [*6015*] I do not [?] to the full extent of the atmosphere, I live about 3000 feet above the Earth. Do you happen to know how high the atmosphere is above the Earth. [*6016*] I have never risen above my the atmosphere joins the first sphere. I have been taught that above our atmosphere is [?] be completely dark to our Vision 29 Dark to the human vision because the Spiritual light commences there. but in the light of spirits who dwell there it appears darkness to them. You say you live about 3000 feet from the Earth how near do any other Atmospheric Spirits live 6017 They live all on a level, that is the bottom is level to the whole extent but there are hills and mountains the same as in the world and on them the houses and likenesses of those who dwell on Earth on mountains, so that we cannot be said to be on a level Are none living nearer the Earth 6018 There are not We have on Earth balloons which ascend more than 3000 feet from the earth did you ever see one 6019 It is wrong to ascend in them because their coming among us causes a great disturbance and were it possible we would soon destroy them. There are also mountains considerably more than 3000 feet high on which persons dwell, such as [?] which is above the level of the sea are they in the region of Atc. Spirits 6020 It is very high but not so high as that Are you sure that you have correct idea of space 6021 I have the same idea of space as you have and the same measure. Do the Inhabitants of that hill at all interfere with the Atmospheric World. 30 6022 No because that hill is just under the same hill with us, but a balloon ascends at random and disturbs the order of all things But you have often assisted 20 years ago in sending up Mrs Graham in a balloon 6023 I was not my self disturbed but others have been. And the inhabitants of the spirit world see the balloon that ascended 6024 Yes and the image of that balloon as it went out of the atmosphere as high above their level as it was above those on Earth. I have heard many say disturbed those living on the height of the hills the image of those below. I was often promised an ascent, but something or other always prevented it 6025 I am glad you did not go and I hope you never will go [*GJT]* [did] would you and your other self have met. 6026 No he would not for at the same time I should be ascending he should still keep at the same distance Do you mean that the balloon is [?] fed as it were into the atmosphere 6027 It is, the atmosphere still remains the same and when you ascend so your Atmosphere Spirit ascends at the same rate & when you fall they fall with you. Its getting late I will go now Mar 2.26 "In the days of Abiathar the High Priest "this clause is omitted in the Cambridge & other MSS. Archbishop of Newcome expresses his doubts of its [aurhority] authenticity, tho he and Griesbach continue it in the text-- See 1 Sam. 21 v. 1-6. Mark 3.v 28.29.30- "but is in danger of eternal damnation" Protestant Transn. but is liable to everlasting punishment Unitarian Transn. but shall be guilty of an Everlasting Sin Douay Cath. Transn. The True reading is, Sin; which is a Hebraism for punishment the effect of Sin- see Archbishop Newcome. 31 Will you ask Mr GI [?] to come in 6028 I am sure you dont want to see him this Evening Yes we do ask him to come 6029 he's engaged with me, he wont appear hes gone 1/4 past 10 PM [Mars sign]die 23 May 1854 1/4 past 8PM The C A Mirror. Invoked the C A. He is here as usual Will it be agreeable to you to answer my further quest's this Evening 639 6030 Yes At half past ten this evening. I shall appear again I wish to say something to you respecting your Father. Will it be convenient for [Sennius?] to appear this Ev'g. 640 6031 It will Mark 2.26 The clause "In the days of Abiather the Priest" altho in the received translation of the Protestant Church is not in many ancient MSs and its authenticity has been doubted the more so as 1 Sam. C 21. v 1 - 6 "Ahimelech" is mentioned as the High Priest. 641 6032 It existed in the Original Mark 3. 28, 29, 30 You kindly favored me with an explanation of the Blasphemy ag't. the Holy Ghost, but a great number The sin against the Holy Spirit is verse 30. plainly stated to be ascribing the miracles of Christ and his apostles to demoniacal agency. They who acted thus could never be corrected to the Christian faith because they resisted the strongest possible evidence. They remained in the same forlorn state in which Christianity found them; which is expressed by the phrase "they should never have forgiveness." [?] Trans.n Mark 6 "Verily I say unto you it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city." 32 of Unitarian Christians hold that the true rendering of the word here translated [sin] punishment is Sin and that the sin against the Holy Ghost is verse 30 plainly stated to be "ascribing the miracles of Christ and his apostles to demoniacal agency. 642 I explained to you the Blasphemy against 6033 the Holy Ghost and for that there is a punishment which I also described. The the Unitarian view of the verse is erroneous 6034 643 It is Mark 5. v 40. 41. 42 These verses relate the circumstances attending Jesus's going to the house of Jairus whose daughter was said to be just deceased Was she really dead or only in a trance 6035 644 She was not she was in a trance from which she would at some time awake Mark 6 v 11 The clause "Verily etc" are omitted in the Vatican, Cambridge & Ephrem MS. and were probably a marginal addition from Matthew 10.15. 6036 645 It never existed in the original Did it exist in the original Gospel of St Matthew 6037 645 No Mark 11. 23 & 24 In discoursing concerning the withered Fig tree Jesus sd. "All things whatsoever ye ask when ye pray, believe that ye will receive them and ye shall have them" This seems strongly to support the Doctrine of special providences , which altho decried by the Scottish Church we have had many very curious instances in the life JH Jung (called Stiling) "The element of his energy was an indestructible faith in God, and in an assistance coming from him, immediately which evidently manifested itself in an uninterrupted providence and in an unfailing deliverance out of all troubles and from every Evil= Jung had many such experiences in his life and they had often been repeated of late in Strasburgh." Autobiography of Goethe – Bohn p. 317. Stillings Auto Biog page 71 Mr Liebman said "tell me my friend who furnishes you with money to enable you to study." Stilling answered "I have a rich father in heaven he will provide for me." Mr L. how much have you at present Jung, one rix-dollar Mr. L I am one of thy Fathers Stewards", & then lent him 33 rix dollars. p. 72 But his 33 dollars had now melted to one, one which account therefore he began again to pray fervently." God heard & answered him– a Mr Troost unasked lent him six Louis d'ors. 33 of Johan Heinrich Young who when in pecuniary difficulties "wrestled with the Lord" successfully & [?] [?] also stated from his pulpit, that he obtained a new pair of leather breeches -- by prayer. May I ask if it is right thus to pray for such specialties to pecuniary relief to 646 They are by great faith, by those to whom 6038 is is really necessary Is it senceable or desirable to pray for change of weather as practiced in Christian Churches. 647 It is not The Almighty knows better 6039 than man what is good for them and if there is a very dry season or a rainy wet one - it averts some greater evil than that. Mark 11. 23 If such is the mighty effect of Faith, how are we in these later days to obtain it, if the immediate disciples of J. C. were found wanting 648 There are few very few who have suff' 6040 faith, but it is attainable to every one. But it is best that all should not attain it, because som even with suff' faith would ask for things that were not essentially necessary, and in that way nature wd be displaced, and men would so count upon receiving things that they would not try to get them by their own means. Mark 12. 25. 26. 27 May I ask the meaning of the passage. "He is Mark 12.25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels which are in heaven. Protestant Trans.n For when they shall rise again from the dead they shall neither marry nor be married but are as the angels in Heaven. Donay Translation For when previous rise again from the dead they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angles that are in heaven Mirlanon Trans.n not the God of the Dead, but of the living. [*649*] By not being the God of the Dead, [*6041*] he meant not the ruler of the dead, he does not rule them and look after their welfare as he does those upon earth, they are not so directly under His Eye because it is not necessary, the Angels dwell as Companions, there is no Evil and therefore no need of watchfulness in their behalf. He is acknowledged by them as their Chief and the only one that is Almighty. Still he dwells with them and is more as a Father unto his Children protecting and indulging. With men it is different he rules their destiny upon Earth, Judges them. According to their Merit. Rules all things [?], and as their King and their judge Mark 13 v. 14 The words "Spoken of by Daniel the Prophet." are omitted in the Nathan Hambridge mss. were they in the Original Gospel of St. Mark. [*6042*] [*650*] They were not. Mar 13 28 6 37 In the 32nd verse here recited "Neither the Son but the Father" is considered by Gimbore to have been introduced in this place by the asians was already in the Original of St. Mark [*6043*] [*651*] In the Original Gospel of Mark it Mark 13. v 32. "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven-- neither the Son but the Father. Ambrose cites Mss which omits the clause "neither the Son" and complains that it was introduced by the Asians -- but all versions & Mss now extant retain it, and it is cited by early writers -- it proves that Christ is not God because his knowledge is limited -- nor can it be inferred from the climax that he is a superangelic being. All the instruments by which divine providence executes its purposes are called angels, and angels are represented as ministers of Christ and subject to his orders at the destruction of Jerusalem. -- Prophets are said to do what they are commissioned to predict -- see Jer. 1. 10. Thus Christ is said to have destroyed Jerusalem and angels are represented as acting under him when perhaps nothing more is intended than that Christ predicted the event which God in the course of his providence brought to pass. [?]: [?] Transn Mark 14. 21. Some would render the clause "Good were it for that man if he had never been born" -- as Good were it for him (viz Judas) if that man (viz the Son of Man) had not been born-- Theologl Repos: Vol 5 p 288 the Douay Transn. is "It were better for him if that man had not been born-- Mar 16 v 16 "He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." ie. He who professes faith in me shall be admitted to the privileges of the Christian community; he who does not believe shall remain under all the disadvantages of a heathen state. [?] the clause in the Protestant transn. "shall be damned" ought to be "shall be condemned" a [?]difference. See Unitarian & Roman Catholic Translations 35 it was "None but the Son of the Father" [?] Christians hold that this passage proves that Christ is not God because his knowledge is limited -- 652 6044 The knowledge of the Saviour of the World being one with the Father is unlimited Mark 14 - 21. Some under this clause "Good were it for him [?] Judas / if that man [?] the son of man / had not been born." May I ask your explanation of the passage. 653 6045 The verse itself is in the Original the same as in the English copy. But the verse itself is not entirely correct 654 6046 "It would not have been better for Judas had he never been born." Mark. 16 - 15. 16. 17 Will you favor me with your view of the meaning of these verses 655 6046 The meaning is so plainly expressed there that to repeat it would be unnecessary. Mark. 16. 18. "In my name" did Jesus mean his own name "Jesus" or "In the name of God" 656 6048 In the name of God Are we to understand that Baptism under all circumstances & in all ages & nations is absolutely necessary to salvation Baptism "An ordinance or religious rite which was in use before our Saviours Ministry began-- Dr. Eadie 36 657 6049 It is not there meant Baptism by the Church -- It is meant the Regeneration in the next life. The words are "He that believeth [not] and is Baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned" which induce us to believe that they are meant to take place in conjunction in this life. 658 6050 If he died in belief from this world and is then Baptized, that is born anew in the Spirit he is then ready for Salvation but should he die even in Belief without Regeneration he could not be saved. GIT May I then gather him from this answer that Baptism after Belief, that is Baptism of the Spirit 659 6501 In that individual passage in the Bible the Baptism is meant after Belief, and Regeneration in the next life. GIT The CA will perhaps remember that the Passage 660 6052 Became an Enlightened person with the means of receiving instruction did not believe, that would be Blasphemy agt. the Father, the Son & the Holy Ghost. and not believing, he could not be saved GIT Will the CA allow me to ask if it has reference to a Baptism of the Spirit or Regeneration in the next life 661 6063 In that individual passage it has. End of the Gospel of St Mark. The C.A.'s gone 37 9.35 PM The C. A Mirror Invoked Semirus He is here, he's very young. , The feet and a little above the ankle are naked. dressed in white, the throat naked & the arms. - the hair fair & curled & blue eyes he does not look more than 9 years old. Will you please to tell me your name 6054 662 Semirus Will you etc 6055 663 AA Are you the G.S. of Mr GRT 6056 664 I am. May I ask how long you have been his GS. 6057 665 I have not a perfect Idea of Time May I ask why you appear so youthful now? 6058 666 There is a cause May I ask that cause 6059 667 No answer. On a former occasion you men'd the time you had been Mr. T's GS. - may I ask if you are the same spirit we then Conversed with 6060 668 You have Exorcised me, where I not what I seem, I could not withstand that [* GRT*] What is the Sig'n. of your name. Semirus. 6061 669 It is a name given me to distinguish me from others. [* GRT*] Can you give me the meaning if there is any in the name 6062 670 (No answer) [* GRT*] Can you inform me the name of the Person who lately died in Croydon and to whose Estate I am Executer 38 671 6063 I have an objection. If you wish to prove -- If you have any doubt as to my being your Guardian Spirit you must wait until this doubt has entirely vanished before you ask me any questions. I cannot answer any unnecessary questions and the question is surely unnecessary which is known to yourself, it is enough for me to state that I do know it I know all your affairs. GIT I quite believe that you are my GS. Have you seen the individual to whom I allude. 6064 672 I know him but only so far as he is connected with yourself. " Have you any information to give me. 6065 673 I have not. " Can you inform me who is the GS. of Mrs. Frances Casemore. 6066 674 I cannot unless I enquire " Will you tell me the next time you appear 6067 675 I will " Can you tell me without enquiring where Mrs. C is now 6068 676 I cannot " Will you be so good as to inform me how far upwds. from this Earth is the Region of Atc Spirits where they dwell 6069 677 I do not know your measure and can only make you understand that if 500 men stood upon each others head they would reach the lower part of it 39 [912] Can you give me an idea that I can underst'd how far Hades is above the Atmospheric World 678 6070 It is further than the atmosphere from the Earth. [*"*] Can you give me any idea of the size or heighh of the atmospheric world. 679 6071 A Balloon when sent from the Atmosphere cannot ascend so high as Hades [*"*] Can you give me any idea of the Occupation of the at' c spirits 680 6072 they go thru the same occupations as the people upon earth. [*"*] Can you tell me how you are able to render yourself seen by Miss Leigh in this Mirror 681 6073 That explanation was given [by the] to Mr Hockley by the Crowned Angel [*"*] Will you please to inform me how it is you can write so that Miss Leigh can see the answer to the questions propounded to you. 682 6074 I do not speak the Mind is seen as a written page. [*"*] But letters appear in what we call print can you inform me by what means they are so formed. 683 6075 We have the power of Conversing so that we may be understood by mortals with another Angel I should express myself differently [*"*] Do you know my At'c spirit in the At'c World 684 6076 I do 40 [*4?*] Can you inform me why it is difficult to get him to him to appear and when appeared to answer. 685 I have no control over him, neither can 6077 I tell why he does not answer. [*"*] I should be obliged by you giving me some idea of the height of Hades above the at World. 6078 686 3000 tall men would not reach it [*"*] Will you inform me the hour you became acquainted with our desire to see you this evening 687 I was acquainted with it by the CA 6079 before this evening [*"*] Will you be so good as to inform us where you were before you immediately appeared in the mirror 688 When I tell you that I can pass any space the same as your thought 6000 instantly, you can easily imagine that I am anywhere at will. [*"*] But what I wish to know is how you are acquainted with the exact time, Ive asked to see you 689 The C.A acquainted me with it some time ago, he knew himself when he 6081 should appear, how long he should stay, what questions he should be asked, what answers he would give and he told me the exact time I should appear. x [*"*] 6082 690 I cannot answer that question [*"*] I asked you the meaning of your name but you did not answer me. 6083 691 I told you it was a name given me The leaves 41. 42. 43. 44 comprising the responses Nos 6083 to 6087 -- 691/694 relating only to my family affairs I have cut out & destroyed. F. Hockley 10 July/69 St Luke C.I.V. to Chapter 3 There is no allusion to any of these extraordinary facts in either of the succeeding histories of St. Luke or in any other books of the New Test.t Jesus is uniformly spoken of as the Son of Joseph & Mary and as a native of Nazareth. See the Long Notes pages 120 c 121 of the Unitarian New Testament. 45 [*9?7*] 694 6087 You from time to time, the best way in which you can act. do but put confidence in me and feel that I shall do every thing for the best. That I have his interest in view but more particularly your own. The C. A left. [Mars sign]die 30th May 1854 The C A Mirror Invoked the C A. The C A is here in white, purple robe, band Wings [?] Is it agreeable for me to continue my questions from the New Testament 695 6088 Yes St. Luke c 1 v. 5 to Chapter 3 The verses from the 5th verse of the 1st chapter to the 3rd chapter. are considered by most [?] [?] as of doubtful authority were they in the Original of St Luke. 696 They were They object "If the account of the [?] Conception be true, he could not be the offspring of David [Solomon] and of Abraham from whom it was predicted and by the Jews expected that he sd. come 697 6090 I will answer that to your questions from Saint John. Luke 3. 23. "And Jesus himself began to be about 30 years of age, being (as was supposed.) The son of Joseph" Protestant Trans'n. "And Jesus himself was beginning about the age of 30 years, being as it was supposed, the son of Joseph Douay Trans'n. "And Jesus himself began to be about 30 years of age being (as was allowed by law) the son of Joseph. Unitarian Trans. The latter is Mr Wakefields translation - Grotius observes that this can only be used of one who has finished his thirtieth year [?], [circiter?] may be understood of one who is something more than 30 years of age. as well as of one who is under that age. This was the age appointed by Law for the Levites to enter upon their office Numbers 4. 3-47 Archbp. Newman renders it: "Jesus himself was about 30 years of age when he began his ministry". D Campbell says "Now Jesus was himself about 30 years in Subjection" Whichever of these versions may be approved it appears from the uncommon accuracy with which Luke dates his history that in the 15th year of the Reign of Tiberius our Lord then entering upon his Ministry was no more than 30 years of age and therefore he must have been born 2 years and 9 months & probably 3 years & 9 months after the death of Herod. Luke 6 v 1 "And it came to pass on the 2nd Sabbath after the first" Oxford rend'g. And it came to pass on the second first sabbath Douay rend'g. "on the sabbath called second prime Dr Campbell "on the first sabbath after the second day of unleavened bread - Unitarian rend. The sense of the original is very obscure. 46 Luke 3. 23 The recieved version is "And Jesus himself began to be about 30 years of age." May I ask the correct rendering and age of Jesus at this period. 6091 698 It was 30 years and 3 months from the time of his mortal birth It has been objected that in the 15th year of Tiberius Our Lord then entering on his ministry was no more than 30 years of age he must have been born at least 2 years & nine months after the death of Herod 6092 699 He was, he was born 2 years and 3 months after his death Luke 6 v. 1 The sense of the Greek original is very obscure of this verse will you please to give me the orig'l reading 6093 700 It was the same as in the Present Translation May I ask what is the meaning of the 2nd Sabbath after the first 701 6094 I cannot give you a Positive answer as to what it alludes to The 2nd Sunday after the first, I believe refers to an Event which had occurred on that day between Christ and his Apostles but which was not ment'd. Luke 9. v [4] 3 How can we reconcile these injunctions with the inordinate avarice & lust of wealth which is so Luke 9 v 3. "And he (Jesus) said unto them Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread neither money, neither have two coats apiece. - Luke 9.55. But he turned and rebuked them & said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of - Oxford Trans'n And turning he rebuked them saying - You know not of what spirit you are Douay Trans'n These words Ye know etc is wanting in the Alex. Vatican Ephraim & in most other [?] [?] Luke 10 v 18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven. Met Trans". I beheld Satan fallen from Heaven as lightning" Unitarian Tn. I saw Satan like lightning falling from Heaven Douay Tran'n. As lightning /. " [?] precipitably, the meaning is I see, and have seen sometime since, the Kingdom of Satan rapidly diminishing = archbishop Newcome. Luke 11 v 26 "And the last state of that man becometh worse than the first. 47 besetting a sin of the Christian priesthood and particularly of the Protestnt Church. 702 6095 Jesus himself was humble and so were his Apostles -- it is his self-termed followers who extort money for the Salvation of Souls which he himself Saved in Charity and Love. St Luke 9. 55 The words "Ye know not what manner of Spirit ye are of for the Son of Man is come not to destroy men’s lives, but to save them” are wanting in most of the antient MSS. -- Are those words in the original 703 6096 The latter part of the verse was not They asked him if it was his will that fire should come down & destroy the lives of the unworthy, and Jesus rebuked them for so uncharitable a failing. St Luke 10 v. 14 c 18 May I ask the meaning of this 18 Verse. 704 6097 He meant that he saw Satan as an Angel of Brightness, that he descend.d upon Earth as a ray of light, but nevertheless he knew it was Satan and called him so by name. Luke 11 v. 24. 25. 26 May I ask the meaning of those verses does a relapse into Vice, like a relapse into insanity render the case more hopeless than before. 705 6098 It does in a degree, but still even should his guilt - should his sins Luke 13 v 16 "And ought not this Woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, there eighteen years be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day." [?] Trans'n. Satan is the personification of the principle of opposition diseases are attributed to Satan, not because the Devil is or was supposed to be, the author of them, but because they are destructive to health, ease, and enjoyment, see acts 10-38 1 Cor v 5 2 Cor 12. 7 1 Tim 1-20 [?] [?]. Luke 22 v 3 "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot being of the number of the twelve. [?] [?] Then Satan entered into Judas etc [?] [?] And Satan entered into Judas etc [?] [?] Satan. ie [?] disposition [?] spirit, by which he expected to defraud the priests and enemies of Jesus and of a sum of money, by delivering his master into their hands, who, he thought no doubt would easily escape from them. = [?] [?] This (708) Response, appears to include the 42nd verse "Saying Father if thou be willing remove this cup from me, nevertheless not my will but thine be done." 48 be a hundred times as much as when he first sinned, if he is brought to a sense of repentance, his salvation is quite as easy as tho he committed only one crime Luke 13 v 11 12 13 16 In what way [I] am I to understand that Satan had bound her 18 years. do evil spirits cause other maladies besides insanity. 6099 706 Yes In very particular Cases. Luke 22 v 3 By What is here meant "Then Satan entered" was it a bodily possession or an Evil prompting. 6100 707 By Satan in that instance as well as in some others is meant Sin Luke 22 v 44 & 43 These verses are wanting in our most ancient MSS and marked as doubtful in others were they in the Original 6101 708 They were not for he of his own will Came upon Earth. For the Salvation of Man. and altho he went thru many hardships & privations, that, being entirely mortal he could not avoid he never made an Exclamation that would lead any one to suppose that he was ordered here by his father and that his Father alone would lesson his Sufferings Luke 23, 43 This Verse is not in many ancient MS.s was it in Luke 23 v 43 And Jesus said unto him verily, I say unto thee, to day shalt thou be with me in paradise" This verse was wanting in the copies of Marcion & other reputed heretics, and in some of the older copies in the time of Origin, nor is it cited either by Justin, Irenaeus or Tertullian, tho the two former have quoted nearly every text In Luke which relate to the Crucifixion – and Tertuallian wrote concerning the intermediate state. See Evansons dissert. page 28. -- paradise -- In the state of the virtuous dead, who though in their graves are alive to God." Note to [?] Version Luke 24 v 27 Christ after his Resurrection -- on the way to Emmaus. "And beginning at Moses & the Prophets, he expounded unto them on all the Scriptures the things concerning himself." 49 May I ask the Original 6102 709 It was May I ask an explanation of this passage seeing that Jesus was 3 days in the Grave. 6103 710 As soon as death took place, his Spirit left the Body. His Spirit retd. to The Father. Saw there the Man Who was Crucified - and at the end of the 3 days again descended invisibly to make his Visible Ascension Was Jesus Crucified on Thursday or the Friday before the Sabbath. 6104 711 He was Crucified on the Thursday and Ascended on the Sunday making 3 entire days between the Crucifixion & Ascension. May I ask how the Church Could in such early times have fallen into the error of believing it to be on Friday 6105 712 No Answer Luke 24 v. 42 c 43 Jesus after his Resurrection and Consequently in his Spiritual Body is here said to have ate fish & honey how came the Evangelists to Commit that Error 6106 713 It never was in the Original MS. Luke 24. 27 It appears to me [to be] deeply to be regretted that this most edifying discourse should have been omitted by the Evangelists Are you aware of the Explanation thus given Maimonides has stated at large the superstitions of the Zabii in offering Blood as a sacrifice to the infernal objects of their worship See More Newchim lib 3. Rabbi Moses Ben Nachman (on Deut-12-23) says "they gathered together blood for the Devils their Idol Gods and then came themselves and ate of that blood with them as being the devils guests and so were joined in Federal Society with them and by this kind of Communion with devils they were able to prophesy & foretel things to come. Young on Idolatrous Corruptions in Religion vol 1 p 235 50 6107 714 I am. Is it permissible for us to hope that at some future period we may be allowed to acuire it from you 6108 715 You may. Genesis 4 or 26 Is this a correct translation or rendering of this view 6109 716 It's right in that translation Genesis 6 11,12 13 May I ask what was the nature of the wickedness that had rendered the world so corrupt, was it Idolatry 6110 717 No Can you explain to me how in the very Earliest ages of the world mankind should thus have fallen away from the worship of the Creator and taken to zabianism 6111 718 Because there was no true teachers and the evil spirit had then more influence upon Earth. In what did the religious rites of zabianism consist 6112 719 Chiefly in paying homage and worship things created by themselves. Which they believed they invested with Spiritual Power by shedding blood for them and dyeing them with its color. Did not Sabeanism Chiefly consist in the worship of the [sun] [moon] and constellations 6113 720 No it did not. Chiefly consist in that they certainly worshipped the [sun] and [moon] believing thru them by the blood which Zabianism, Zabaism - Sabarnism or Sabaism consisted in the worship of the Sun & Moon & of the other planetary bodies and was the most unkind & widely spread of any of the forms of Pagan Idolatry. and appears to have been associated with superstitious rites and ceremonies of a symbolic or incantatory nature & not infrequently obscene revolting ranting with the habits of the people by whom they were practiced. By the Jews these idolators were designated and their superstitious practices condemned as " They ways of the Amorites" In subsequent ages where other modes of Idolatry prevailed almost universally, this more early practice was denominated Zabianism most probably from the Hebrew word [3 Hebrew letters here] (tzaba,a host) the Sun Moon & Stars being usually called the Host of Heaven see Pocockii Specimen Hist. Arab p. 139 Job vindicates himself from this kind of idolatry by the most solemn asseverations -- Job. 31 v 26 - 28 Moses wrote the pentateuch to continue the knowledge of the True God among the Israelites - in perusing it one must never forget that Idolatry had become almost universal and that Moses constantly endeavored to guard his people from the contagion. - Many expressions therefore which otherwise in a narrative so brief as that of Moses might appear unnecessary were, at the time they were written of the utmost consequence Thus when in the account of the Creation Moses adds "[He] made the stars also" - and"thus the Heavens were finished and all the Host of them," he evidently meant to say to the worshippers of the Tsabaoth, your Gods are inferior to Jehovah, for they are the works of his hands." Rev'd Townsend On the Origin Progress & Decline of Idolatry See Dr I. Donnleys Dissertation 2. on the Zabian Idolatry prefixed to the More Nevochim of Maimonides -- pages 38 to 47 51 which they ransomed for the acceptance of the Images those Images were endowed with power, but still they believed that power to be [?] from the sun moon and [?] to the images and by the images given to them I perceive in the above [Nevochem?] of Maimonides that the I perceive the learned Hebrew was in that entirely in [error?] 6114 721 No not entirely there are some and there were more then who had the gift of Spiritual hearing without seeing - so that whether the answer appeared in writing or was heard by a voice depended entirely upon the person inspecting. When I was at Mr. Slaters - before I heard the spirit rappings I imagined that I heard several responses given in a low musical voice - but of course concluded I was mistaken - could I possible have done so 6115 722 You would hear the voices of Spirits by the same power that you would hear raps neither being visible. But I presume it is only the same class as rapping spirits who could thus make themselves heard, good spirits I fear could not do so. 6116 723 Good spirits have often spoken unto man that he might hear them but that which is heard in answer to questions which by the generality are held by [?] are of course not by good spirits Does it matter which side of my seer I sit to receive your responses 52 724 6117 In your altered position I have found a difficulty in making myself quite intelligible Is it agreeable to you to give me the formula for Curing ailing persons as done by Prince Hohenlohe and others. 725 6118 I shall not tell you [now] tonight because you would use it for that purpose, and at present do your health harm There is no harm in using it Spiritually I mean, but it makes a person weak and unfits them for a time from any occupation I will tell you soon when it is best that you should know. The strength and the health or Even the Cure of any slight ailing or pain comes from yourself, the same as in mesmerism the strength you impart to them You lose yourself & until a reaction takes place and you regain more you are so much the worse for it From having suffered most severely for several years from Rheumatism - I have an affection of the heart & also of the Brain - & I appear to myself generally to be thinking & working with one side of the Brain only 726 6119 Should it get worse, or even last long as it is of present I should advise you to go to Dr Elliotson if he should wish you to be mesmerized for it do so 53 If he gives you any other remedy it will be of great service I have again received this from S.H. 6120 727 I sincerely hope that you will not The future seems to me in respect of your Father to be brighter, a heavy calamity that was hanging over him, seems to have been removed and I have reason to hope that in a short time he will leave the world very much happier, than his present state would allow. I was at Mr. Slater's on Monday I found his medium had lost her faculty. Can you tell me how Mr. Owen is progressing with his researches. 6121 728 He has given up his conferences or very nearly so with the rapping spirits He is getting very feeble and unable to collect so much information and view it clearly as he was a short time ago As to my [At?] Spirit appearing 6122 729 I have no objection, neither would it be first put to yourself As to the formula for spirits 6123 730 It is now late I will give it you shortly The CA is gone 25 to 10 PM. 61 Called my [At.?] Spirit You are here in black - You actually throw a shadow No hat, but gloves on. [Boston?} Gloves Do you know what is the matter with the right lobe of my brain 6124 Please [?] 54 I expostulated upon his folly and asked a direct answer 6125 I told you I did I told him I only called him because he appeared to have a wish to be called. 6126 If you wish me to come I am glad to come, if you don't I don't care about it. I am prevented from telling you something that I should very much wish to do Is it your Guardian Spirit that prevents me, I do not like to be so closely watched and reprimanded unless it is necessary I hope you will attend to what my G.S. wishes you. 6127 There's no occasion for you to ask me to do it, I'm obliged to it, I know more about that than you do Do you in that state know why Lord Burton has not written to us 6128 No Do you know the At. Spirit of my seer E.L.L. 6129 You know that as well as I do I know the same people and for the same length of time as you do. Hes gone 5 pas 10 Called Mr. Anderson No vision 12 past 10 Evain? Glass To see a vision 6130 You cannot Will Evain inform us on what evening we may have a vision 6131 Next Tuesday Ended. 1/4 past 10PM 55 [?] die 6 PM 1854 The CA mirror Invoked the CA He is here is white with purple Robes I have acquired from Mr. Robert Owen, some questions, or rather conclusions which he has arrived at and upon which he requests your opinion, I do not wish to offer my own views Mr. Owen wishes to know if he is right in coming to the following conclusions 1st That nothing can never produce something 6132 731 It is right all things are predestined and one arises from another 2nd That therefore something has eternally existed 6133 732 It had, the world was created from a Mass without shape and without form 3 That that something is the Elements of the [A?] 6134 733 It was Earth and Air nothing more I mean that the Earth was created out of something, and that something was Earth and Air. 4th That these Elements possess inherent unchangeable qualities 6135 734 He is right 5th That some [?] of the Almighty power of these Combined Elements may be conjectured from observing the extent of [M?] life and instinct, or mind in one of the [M?] beings seen thro a glass of great magnifying powers in a drop of water. 6136 735 He is right in that conclusion but not in using the word mind. 56 6th That the agregate of these Elements constitute the supreme mind or the Godhead. 6137 736 They do not 7 That then Elements their inherent unchangeable qualities and their aggregate power or supreme mind Coexist eternally 6138 737 They do not 8 That as nothing could have existed before them they they are the great first cause of all things, and that as nothing can exist after them, they are first and last and everything 6139 738 They were first but after the end of the world, they will not exist, they are not necessary to a Heavenly existence. 9 That these Elements of the [?] their inherent qualities and their aggregate power or Supreme mind from the Trinity which [?] call Nature, the Laws of Nature, and God. 6140 739 Altho without them Nature could not exist, they do not form part of it They are not the Laws of Nature neither are they God. 10 That they are 3 in one and one in three separate yet indivisible for they Eternally coexist. 6141 740 They are not United, and they have a separate existence 11 That the inherent qualities of these Elements are the Laws of Nature. 4142 741 Altho they are the most powerful of all things when used by God. They are not the Laws of Nature. 57 12 Tha the Elements of the universe are matter & spirit Matter when condensed to human appreciation by our senses, and spirit when too refined or etherialized to be perceived by men except when mesmerized or out of their Normal State. 742 6143 The spirit of man can appreciate them more fully when separated from the body 13 That God and Nature is Omnipotent and Omniscient. 743 6144 It is wrong for him to so closely connect Nature [and] with God Altho Nature is his work and He is the supreme ruler, He views it in the same way that an artizan would view a piece of elaborate machinery which he had made, that would act under one principle until he chose that it should be stopped. 14 & Omnipotent except that He cannot change the Laws of Nature which would be to change his own qualities which are unchangeable 744 6145 As Nature and God are quite separate so He can change it without changing himself They only exist in Unity because it is his will, and the most beautiful of all things. 15. Shall I succeed in convincing the world of the truth & superiority of the New System for governing & directing mankind by the aid of the [?] now presenting in Oxford. [*745*] It will be of benefit to his cause but he [*G46*] will not be able to [?] his success entirely to that. Have you anything further that you wish me to Communicate to Mr Olsen._ [*G47*] [*746*] I will tell you before I leave. Have you any objection to my lending MNE Dresser my ES Crystal. [*G48*] [*747*] I have not the least Can you tell me if any of his Young friends will be Able to See [*G49*] [*748*] ? alone will enable him to ascertain that to Constantine will the Spirit of the Crystal [*G50*] [*749*] [?] You must discharge it of all Visions concerning yourself Is it agreeable to you to answer my questions [?] [*G51*][*750*] Yes The Gospel of St John is so important especially the first chapter, that I wish to confine my questions to that Chapter alone this [?]. And as the translate or rendering of the Greek text into English has occasioned much discussion among learned men. I will with your permission read 1st the [?] from Latin of the English Church & 2nd that published by the Unitarian sect of Christians called the Improved version, and as I prefer your explanation to that of my religious sect, I will ask my questions upon each verse unless you'd prefer to explain it [?] to me my meaning is not which is most correctly John I v.I In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. protestant Trans. Roman " "The word was in the beginning, and the word was with god, and the word was a god". "The Word" Jesus is so called because God revealed himself or his word by him. ABP Newcome. "The word was a God" -Unitarian rendering - Jesus received a commission as a prophet of the Most High & was [?] with extraordinary miraculous powers, but in the Jewish phraseology the were called Gods to whom the of God came ([?] 10-35) so Moses is declared to a God to pharoah (Exodus 7.1) Some translate the passage God was the word - q.d. It was not so properly he that spoke to Man as God that spoke to them by him Cappele [?] p.22 Crollius conjectured that the [?] reading was "the lord was God's q.d. the first teacher of the Gospel derived his commission from God. but this [conjection?] however plausible, rests upon no authority Unitarian Plan John I v.2 The same was in the beginning with God. Protestant Trans. [?] Trans This word was in the beginning with God. Unitarian Trans. "Twas in the beginning with God" Before he entered upon his ministry he was fully instructed, by intercourse with God in the nature and extent of his commission Unitarian John I v.3 All things were made by him truth and [?] was not anything made that was made Prot. & Roman Trans. All things were done by him, and without him was not anything done that hath been done. Unitarian Trans. Archbishop Newcome renders the word Made and explains it as the creation of the Visible material world by Christ as the agent and instrument of God. This is a sense of the word will not admit occurs upwards of 700 times in the New Testament but never in the sense of Create. It signifies in this Gospel where it occurs 53 times - "to be" "to come", to become, to come to pass. [?] Translated from history [?] MSS. but which [lend] is most agreeable to the meaning of the original Gospel of St. John. [*G52*] [*751*] Neither of the Translations are Perfectly right. The Gospel of St John. read. I [?] Version [*G53*] I [??] Version. May I ask which is correct. [*752*] The first (protestant & Roman Catholic) May I ask the meaning here of "the word was in the beginning with God. Verse 2nd [*G54*] [*753*] The word was God part of Himself It was with God because it was part of himself. Himself was the word and that word Created the World. and 3rd Verse. [?] Trans? " [?] Trans? Which is here the correct rendering the "made" or "done" [*G55*] [*754*] The word Created not made was used by St John Sometime does the word "him" [?] to the God of the [?] [*G56*] [*755*] "The Word" being part of himself Applies to both. and 4th verse [?] Trans. " [?] Version [?] it is correct. "In him - or "By him" [*G57*] [*756*] The first John. 1. v 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men Prot. & Roman Text By him was life and the life was the light of men In him was life [??] ABp Newcome's. Tr. John 1.5 And the light shineth in Darkness; and the Darkness Comprehended it not. Prot. Version And the light shone in darkness; and the Darkness comprend it not [?] John I v.6 "There was a man sent from God" This illustrated verse 1&2 to be sent from God implies that he had been first with God. Cappes dissert. p. 28 John I v 9 That was the True light which lighteth every morn that cometh into the world. Prot. Trans. That was the true light, which having come into the world is enlightening every man - [?] Version Which enlighteneth every man coming into the world. ABp Newcome John I v.10 He was in the world and the world was made by him and the world knew him not. - Prot. Tr. My friend [?] Dresser (whose atmospheric Spirit so often [?] me) was present - at this sitting = he had a small Greek Testament [*which he read*] before him - and immediately upon the Crowned Angel, stating that 9th verse was not in the original - he read the 10th verse and asked how it should commence. And the immediate reply was as at -764 - God was in the world. Which Mr. Dresser said was correct. I was entirely [?] that the chance of the 9th verse made any difference & I am quite certain that my seer who was at the [?]not,16 was equally unaware of it - Mr. Dresser will doubtless remember this little incident & either affirm it or [alter] strike it as he deems correct = This will oblige me as a non believing friend attaches much more importance to the fact than I. 60 The 5th Verse English Trans'n " [Improved?] " Which is most correct 757 6158 The first May I ask an explanation 758 6159 The sight of the word shineth forth upon the world, and those without religion could not comprehend it. Verse 6 Does the word here "sent." imply that he had been first with God 759 6160 It does not. The 9th Verse E trans'n " I trans'n May I ask which rending is correct 760 6161 The first is the best translation but neither was in the original of St. John May I ask how they became incorporated 761 6162 No answer Was there any other verse in its place 762 6163 There was not The 10th Verse 763 6164 After he had made the world he returned into his spiritual state to watch over it And not until After the Creation of Man was he recognized as the maker of all things If the 9th verse was not in the Original, in what manner did the 10th verse commence 764 6165 St. John wrote "God was in the World" Thank you. ["] John I: 14 V. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelst among us / and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father / full of grace and Truth" 16v. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for Grace." Protestant Trans'n. Douay Trans'n 14 And the word was flesh, and full of kindness and Truth he dwelt among us and we beheld the glory the Glory as of the only Son who came from the Father 16 For of his fulness we have all received and favor for favor. Unitarian [?] Transl'n. Though this first preacher of the Gospel was honored with such signal tokens of Divine Confidence and favor, though he was invested with so high an office - he was nevertheless a mortal man Cappe. dissert: Flesh- is frequently put for man. (psalm 65 v 2, Rom 3. 20) but it frequently and peculiarly stands for man as mortal, subject to infirmities & sufferings., and as such is particularly appropriated to Christ here & in other places. (1 Tim. 3 . 16, Rom 1 . 3, Rom 9 . 5 1 Peter 3 - 18 1 Peter 4 - 1 Mr. Lindsays sequal to the apol. page 136 "As of the only Son", Unitarian "Only begotten" AB [?] [?] come. & above This expression does not refer to any peculiar mode of derivation of existence, but is used to express merely a higher degree of affection. This applied to Isaac (Hebrews 11. v 17) thought Abraham had other sons The same word in the Hebrew is translated indifferently and This word is applied to Christ four times by the Evangelist John in the Gospel and once in his Epistle, and by no other writer of the New Testament. In the Epistle to the Hebrews it unquestionably signals a beloved or most beloved & in this sense it is used by John (ch. 1 - 14 & 18 ch 3 - 16 & 18 1 John 4 - 9) Mr Lindsey observes that "only begotten" is most gross & improper language to be used in english especially with respect to Deity" List of wrong Translations p 46 Mr. Lindsey [?] (sequel page 159) that it has been conjectured by interpreters of great note that our Apostle made choice of this word to confute the strange chimerical notions which some Christian mystics fell into very early, the pretended to be acquainted with a variety of [?] intelligences issuing from the Supreme, of these mono-grams on only begotten was one, and Monogenes produced Logos, the Word of Christ, and life which were the parents of all things produced after him" 61 read the 11, 12 & 13 & asked the meaning 765 6166 No answer read 14 & 16 received Translat'n 6167 14 & 16 Improved trans'n May I as which is most correct 766 6168 the First The Unitarians have perverted the Scriptures for their own use in many places These verses differ in the most important passage Should the word "begotten" be there or omitted or should it be "beloved" or "best beloved" 767 6169 The only begotten Son was used in both places the answers I have given are correct I will continue to do so to the end. I was here a 2nd time interrupted by a friend calling & the C A became so small I was afraid he w'd leave, & begged him to stay 768 6170 It is not the interruptions for I know that you cannot help them, that makes me for a time indistinct I remarked etc 769 6171 No it is not that either 1 John 18 verse Does not this expressly show that the rendering of [Genesis] Exodus 33. v 23 is erroneous 770 6172 No it does not 771 6173 The Instructions that I gave you in respect to your Father have been See fo[lio] 61 (response 770) John 1 v 18. "No man hath seen God at any time," Exodus 33. v 18 And he said I beseech thee show me thy glory- " v 23 And thou shall see my back parts but my face shall not be seen. See also the CA's reponse. 401. 62 6173 effectual in preventing you being troubled with his affairs I think at present there is nothing I wish to tell Mr Owen. You can send him the answer to his last letter and in your next I will send some instructions, I have a reason for not sending them [before] at present I have some more advice for you it is certainly not of vital importance. For the next three weeks or a month be careful of your watch and when taking it off be careful you do not leave it behind you There is not time this evening for any more Scriptural questions have you any other you wish to ask. On the 9th April you kindy informed me you wished me to know a circumstance which you deferred is it now agreeable for me to receive the information if I have not already done so 772 6174 You have not received it My reason for not giving it then now exists I see no probability at present of Mr Dresser getting a seer I regret that much as from his learning knowledge of languages - I expected much from him 773 6175 It is not the most learned men who are most fit to receive knowledge on Spiritual Affairs. 63 I enquired as to the Greek and Hebrew inscription on the fragment. 6176 774 Do not touch the mirror with it or put it in any way near your crystals The CA is leaving May I ask if you will please to show my seer a vision that will please and interest her Now theres a Clock come pointing at 20' past 10 Are we to look into the mirror at that time 6177 775 No at that time I shall have left. The CA's gone 1/4 past 10 [?] [Mars symbol] die 13th June 1854. [?] Invoked the CA. He's here as usual. Is it agreeable for you to answer my questions this evening. 6178 776 Yes Mr Owen has written me a letter, returning his thanks to you for your kindly answering his queries - He wishes further to visions "I have sent a memorial to the Lords of the Treasury to ask for a commission to investigate my visions and practical recommendations, perhaps tomorrow might [?] a will have the kindness to say if it will have any success or influence with them. 6179 777 What day do you want to return an answer to this letter 64 I do not wish to answer it until I receive your expressed wish. [?] 778 do you want to answer it before next Tuesday. Not if it will be more convenient for you then to [?] me both your views [?] 779 I will give you the answer next Tuesday but if you wish to write to him before I will appear [?] for that purpose unless for any special purpose tis best that I should appear on Tuesday evenings. If you have any particular reasons for so doing you can call me on others Is it forward for me to receive "The Formula" [?] 780 I am waiting to [?] the questions you have ready The attempt to have the origin[?] of the [?] known as the old testament has employed the [?] of many leaned [?] may I ask if the book of Genesis called the 1st book of Moses existed in the world before Moses lived - as any [?]. [?] 781 It was the book of Moses and all [?] by him. Can you tell me which is the [?] [?] [?] [?] Hebress as the Sanscrit, or have they both been derived from some more [?] language. [?] 782 They are both of the same age None existed before them. May I ask the original of [?] [?] [?] [?] ]?] 783 They were used by [?] [?] 65 of men, one was not known to the other were either of them used as a Language in the Garden of Eden by Adam & Eve 784 6186 They were not. By what means did they convey their ideas to each other. 785 6187 More by actions than words, such as a monkey would use, when wishing to make another understand that he had found a prize. But did not Adam. with the organs of speech possess by the divine gift of God a language in which he could express his ideas 786 6188 They had no language but they had many ways of expressing themselves that was understood by each other and their maker. Language has appeared to many so wonderful a faculty or gift. as to be considered a divine gift Can you tell me the Origin of these two languages 787 6189 Its Origin was not divine In Genesis chap 2 v 19. The beasts & fowls were brought to Adam to see what he would call them & what he called them, that was their name. 788 6190 Adam did not name them They were named in like manner as God made the image of himself and called it man. Were the names then given to them similar to the names now given to them Hebrew or Sanscrit 66 did Moses write the Book of Genesis by Divine Inspiration or from traditions handed down to his [?] 789 Neither Moses nor any other writer 6191 in the Old Testament was inspired I exorcised & explained 790 It is right that you should always 6192 do so to every one that appears May I ask if a Spirit that is not a good Spirit Can assume your form to deceive us 791 they cannot 6193 And bad spirits cannot take the Human form at all. Are there then a class of Spirits who are not Good Spirits neither are they Evil Spirits - such as Orion for instance 792 there are Spirits who are not allowed Communication with Angels & good spirits and who are not Evil, they wander 6194 over the Earth & planets. He is not an Evil Spirit but there is not a Particle of good in him Some long time since a spirit appeared as tho clothed in Superb green feathers who said he was the ruling Spirit of Jupiter 793 the Spirit of Jupiter is an Evil Spirit 6195 & cannot appear in a human form Were not the prophets Isaiah & Jeremiah inspired by God 6196 794 they had the gift of Prophecy but they were not inspired Did Job live Contemporeously with Moses or before or after 6197 795 He lived after Moses St John 3.13 "And no man hath ascended up to Heaven." Prot: Transn. No man goeth up to Heaven ArchB'p Newcome Now no man hath ascended up to Heaven. Unitarian Vers'n. "Who is in heaven" Unit'n "Which is in heaven" Prot. This clause is wanting in some of the best copies - if its authenticity is allowed, it is to be understood of the knowledge which Christ prossessed of the Fathers will - Sec John 1-15. Unit'n Note. John 3. 31 & 32. He that cometh from above is above all, he that is of the Earth Earthly and speaketh of the Earth - he that cometh from Heaven is above all, - and what he hath seen and heard that he testifieth, and no man receiveth his testimony "If coming from above or from Heaven meant only receiving a divine commission, then John came from above, or from Heaven as well as Jesus" Archbishop Newcome. the Remark of the learned prelate is perfectly just, accordingly the Baptist is said to have been sent from God (ch 1 v 6) and his Baptism to have come from Heaven (Matt. 21 v 25/ Mark 11. 30) (Luke 20 - 4) when therefore he Speaks of Christ as coming from above and from Heaven in [?] a distinction to himself he can only mean to express the great Inperiosity of our Lords Mission Character & powers. Unitarian Note See Lindsay Seq. p 217 & [Grotius?] in loc. S. John 3. r13 In [?] correctly rendered [?] should I be "[N????] man hath ascended [?] 790 The Original was no man goeth up to Heaven. 698 The words "where is Heaven" is [?] done of the best copies didn't exist in the Original 699 797 They did not And some have mean on actual fluent [?] on it Descent or only [?] one. 6200 798 He meant invisible ascent in The Appearance of the body. Many Comment[?] [?] have meant to ascend into heaven..."dignified to he come Acquainted with the [?] of God and by "I descend from Heaven" is to [?] and to discover these [?] to the world 6207 799 They were many in that [?] [?] 3 r 30 Some Commentators think that John the Baptists Speech ends here and that the [?] [?] these [?] of John the [?] 6202 800 The Whole are the words of John the Baptist John 3 31.32 ["He must mourn [?] decrease."] "He that Cometh from Heaven" [?] Did John there mean that Some had made an actual descent from Heaven is have beared a [?] Commision 623 800 That he was of the Father, that the Spirit descended to the Earth and was born of Man. Did John when Speaking of [?] from 68 above in contradistinction to himself mean only to express the great Superiority of Our Lords Mission character & powers 802 6204 It means both. For he was sent for a divine purpose, and the Spirit of God descended before that purpose could be accomplished Now theres a clock come its pointing at 20' to 10. May I ask what that signifies 803 6205 Last Tuesday Evening you wished for a Vision in your Evani Glass. I did not leave early enough then. this evening you can have one. I shall be entirely gone by that time You can then have one. I have nothing of importance to your benefit to tell you this evening and next Tuesday I will give you the answer to Mr Owens question The C A's going. 20' past 9. Called Mr. Anderson Here is yourself Come dressed as you usually are I hope you are well, tho I presume you are in your state much the same as I am in mine 6206 I am the same. You mentioned that the At Spirits exist only 3000 feet above the Earths surface, have you a correct idea & measure of space & distance 6207 I have the same ideas of distance as you have The atmosphere is not quite 70 miles high bg Can you on the [?] [?] from my [??]ea of the probable result of the war between Russia [?] I have the opinions of others high above 6208 Me, I cannot see into the future any more than you What [?] those opinions on the war that the Emperor of Russia will come 6209 to the arrangements of the Western [?] when he finds that they are [?] for him. As you know what [?] will [?] [?] before it happens, such as the Derby. Perhaps I did not [?] then because 6210 I had not [?] [?] I could [?] easily ascertain Can you ascertain that information [?] in the [?] without danger to your [?] or future [?] I should have no objection but I think 6211 You had better ask your Guardian Spirit I know what another person was told who did the same thing what was that He asked what [?] [?] [?] at a [?] of importance of [?] [?] Spirit and he was told. He [?] with a 6212 person of his own [?] [?] for a very large amount and [?] it - when he had got it quite safe he asked whether he had done [?] and he was told that he had at least gained it by very unjust and dishonerable 1854 25 ------ 1829 X Sep. 1882 It has now become very serious 70 Means, that knowing he should [?] it was very wrong for him to bet to a larger amount then he would have otherwise done, had there been a chance of his losing, with a person whom he knew he had [?] trained. I used that very argument on Friday last with M[?]hampton did you obtain your view through me as did I obtain my view of the [?] thru you as my [?]. Spirit You derived yours mostly from a principle instilled into you by [?] Guardian 6213 Spirit _ 25 years ago You would not have been of the same opinion I derived mine from the knowledge of a party who had committed the same offence. Can you in your state tell what is the matter with the right side of [?] My brain & the best [?] of believing it 6214 [?] dont you try Mesmerism because studying [?] occult subjects I am afraid it would have an [?] tendency I dont think it would 6215 Please to bear it in mind, that at the same time you believe yourself. You believe me I saw today in Sampson [?] [?] [?] [?] on astrology & magic written by a Dr Roback do you know if that book is worth any thing or is it as it appears to be a make up from old books 71 6216 I do not You seem to imagine because I am rather different from yourself that I am altogether supernatural. No it is not that, but that I do not know. nor can I ascertain how far you differ from myself except by questioning you 6217 I suppose you want me to leave now. We shall be very glad to see you next Tuesday Evening[s] can you appear in our Crystal in any other evening 6218 No Hes gone 1/4 to 10 Evani Glass Invoked Evani to show a vision Heres Mr Dresser come - with his spectacles on and a book in his hand, a little book he first looks at the book and then at you & then at the book I remonstrated with him & begged him to leave 6219 I shall stay her for an hour & a half Emma then inspected the Mirror but he was there before her. - & upon turning to the Evani glass he was there instantly - I need an Vision to dismiss him & we were obliged to give up inspecting - 72 ♂︎ die 20 June 1854 -- C A Mirror Invoked the C A. The C A is here. in white purple robes wings, 6 min & c. He is looking towards you (F. H.) I explained the annoyance occasioned us by my friend Mr W E Dressers atmospheric spirit app'g in the mirror & Evani glass 804 6220 It is a singular power that he has, the more he visits you in the body, the more you will be troubled by his At Spirit I am sure Mr Dresser would do any thing to prevent it, I could reasonably wish - can you not prevent his appearing 805 6221 I cannot entirely prevent it Is it convenient for you to give me the [?] inf'n as to Mr Robert Owen and his app't to the Lords of the Treasury. 806 6222 He will not succeed in it Have you any information or advice you wish me to convey to him. 807 6223 does he intend visiting you I have told him I should be most happy to see him here but fear from his great age it might be irksome for him to do so, I hope soon to have the pleasure of seeing him in London. 808 6224 You will not visit him before the 5th July - before that time I shall have some instructions to give you concerning him - I thank you & will await your pleasure John 5 v 4 "For an Angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water; whosoever then first after the troubling the water stepped in was made whole of whatsr. disease he had" This verse is [writing?] in the Valerian & Ephrem Mss. = see [?] It is not mentioned ([the ?]) by [Josephus?] - the passage is rejected as [sp???s] by sender, Michaelis & Marsh. see Marsh's Michaelis vol 1 p 293.507 vol 2 p 732 John 6 v 32 33 Then Jesus said Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from Heaven, for the Bread of God is he which cometh down from Heaven, and giveth life unto the world." Protestant Translation For the Bread of God is that which cometh down from Heaven, and giveth life in the world. Douay Translation & [?] Translation. "The Bread from Heaven clearly signifies the Doctrine not the Person of Christ." see [Lindsay o?] p. 45 and D Priestly in loc. [M??? ?] John 6 v 38 I am come ie "I am [?led] within a Divine Commission" [M? Pl?s?] 73 John 5 verse 4 This verse is not in the Cambridge MS. one of the most antient Greek versions now existant & is also by many commentators deemed spurious -- was it in the original Gospel of St. John 6225 809 It was not John 6. v. 4 This verse altho in all the antient MSs. appears to have been introduced & is deemed by Bishop Pearce & others to be an interpretation -- chiefly because it is unconnected with the Text & it does not appear that our Lord attended this Passover. 6226 810 It was and he did attend the Passover John 6 v 32. 33 Does the words "The True head of Heaven" here said to be [?] signify the doctrine or the person of Christ 7227 811 The Body of Jesus John 6 v 35 By the words "I am the bread of life" did Jesus hereby mean his Doctrine which wold ensure Eternal life to all who practically embrace it. 6228 812 Yes John 6 v 38 did Jesus mean by "I am come down from Heaven" that he was invested with a divine commission or this real spiritual descent 6229 813 A Spiritual descent John 6 43. 44 It appears here that the Jews understood Jesus to mean that he had corporeally come down from Heaven, The Unitarians contend that Jesus only alluded John 6.46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father" ie has known his will -- so verse 40 To see the son is to understand the Doctrine of Christ. -- [?] Gloss. 74 to his doctrine as having come down from Heaven from your former responses I conclude, Jesus meant he had spiritually come down from Heaven will you give me the Correct View 814 6230 That the spirit of the Father descended unto the Earth and was born anew of the Flesh. John 6. 46 The Unitarians contend that the words "He hath seen the Father" means "has Known his will" and that at Verse 40 the meaning of "to see the Son" is to understand his doctrine 815 6231 Only one had seen the Father, and that was he himself who had left him. John 6 verses 51 to 58 In the Translation of the Gospels put [?] by the Unitarians appears the following Commentary Our Lord perceived the mistake of his hearers, but not desiring to retain them as his followers, he does not correct it. but proceeds to use expressions [?] more offensive to their feelings & prejudices; what he means to inculcate is a practical reception of his Divine Doctrine as the means of Securing everlasting life. -- this in allusion to the descent of the manna ver 32. 33. he first compares to feeding upon New and Heavenly bread, he then describes it as feeding upon himself. verse 51, and more particularly and offensively as even Eating his flesh & drinking his blood, ver 53 - 57 this language which they either did not, or would not understand. so disgusted many of his hearers, that they quitted his society, this was the [?] [?] The spiritual and figurative sense of my words is the only useful sense & if it were possible for you to feed (literally) upon my flesh, it would do you no good, I am not speaking of a [natural?] life, supported by eating my flesh but of a spiritual life, supported by my doctrine." [M?] [Gloss?] page 222 see Bishop Newce. John 6 v 69 "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." Protestant Transn. do (70) "And we have believed and have known that thou art the Christ, the Son of God." Douay Translation x do 69 "And we believe and know, that thou art the Holy one of God." [M?] Transn. John 6 v 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? Protestant transn. & Douay Transn. "Have not I chosen you twelve, and yet one of you is a false accuser." [?] [Rends.?] the [M?] Plan adds at foot "in the original, "a Devil." " Revised Version - 1881 [*only one word different - have.*] and we have believed and known that thou art the holy one of God. 75 The Effect which Jesus intended, with respect to those who as he well knew, followed him from mercenary and ambitious motives. Unitarian Gloss in the " Improved Version page 221 816 6232 The Unitarian View is quite correct That passage in St. John more than any other in the Bible is believed by different sects in religion to advocate their system of believing that the Bread and wine administered at the Sacrament is really the body and blood of Christ. John 6 69 Prot Translation 6 69 Unitarian [?] Which is the most agreeable with the Gospel of St John 817 6233 The first John 6 - 70 prot Tran'n Is this Verse correctly rendered as it existed in the Gospel of St John. 818 6234 No it is not May I request the true rendering agreeable to the orig'l Text 819 6255 Have I not chosen twelve and one of you will betray me Chap 7 v 22 The words "not because it is of [?] but of the Father" is supposed to be an interpolation of a marginal reading. is that the case 820 6236 Not it was so in the original Chapter 8 the first eleven verses John. 8 verses 1 to 11. These verses are wanting in the Alexandrian Vatican, Ephrem, and other Manuscripts of great authority and in the oldest copies of the Syriac version, and is not cited by Origen, Chrysostom and other antient ecclesiastical writers It is found in the Cambridge MS but with some variations from the received text. See Griesbach who keeps it in his text but with great hestation It is in the Douay Translation. 76 These verses refer to the woman taken in Adultery they are wanting in the most Antient MSs & the passage is not cited by the antient Fathers of the Church, were these verses in the Original. 6237 821 Yes May I ask if you have any reference to make in the verses I have just read. 822 Your last question wether the Chapter 6238 on which your last questions were founded was a lesson to mankind perhaps unequalled by any in the bible May I request your view of the Chapter as a whole 823 Its simplicity and its beauty so truly 6239 exemplified the Character and the [?] of Jesus Christ and his sincere love and feeling for all those who were less Holy than himself. How utterly abashed and Confounded those must have been who held her up to public scorn when Jesus turning to them said "He that is without sin first cast a stone upon her" [*double horizontal line page break*] May I ask if the Spirits who tapp & so by the alphabet announce themselves as the deceased friends or relatives of the querents, are really so, seeing that, they give names often unthought of by the quent & state Circumstances long forgotten - or are they Wandering as "undeveloped Spirits" 6240 824 In most cases they are wandering and 77 1240 Spirits, but in some cases they are really the spirits of the parties whose names they take but then they are never happy and are always Evil No good spirits [?] largely M[?] Spirits [?] ever rapped for the gratification of mortal. They have rapped or made other Noises to indicate the death of certain persons, or to announce events but then it was [?] [?]lly and unknown to those who heard them. At a seance of Mr Owen a spirit who pronounced itself as his deceased wife- referred him to the Bible - did the spirit of his deceased wife then rap [*1241*] [*825*] It did not. I should be glad to receive from you a response [?] would lead Mr. Owen to search the New [?] with [?] view than he has hitherto held before this age there is no time to lose [*1242*] [*826*] You are [?] [?] to the Formula [*1245*] [*827*] No answer Again [*1244*] I wish to tell it you, and would do so there is no harm in you knowing it but I have not the power to tell you this Evening. May I ask if you are [?] whether S[?] B[?] ever succeeded with the M[?] or the small [?] 78 gave to him 828 6245 I do not know Can we see & converse with him this Even'g in our Evani Glass. 829 6246 You can call him in the Evani Glass I cannot tell whether he will appear Can we see Evani in that glass 830 6247 It is best that he should appear in this Will you please to tell me of what [?] he is of 831 6248 He is an angel of Hades May I ask why he appears as a beautiful white Bird or Dove. 832 6249 His whole being signifies peace. May I ask if you have any further communication you wish me to know 833 6250 I have nothing this evening, but I must again remind you of taking care of your watch. Then I will leave it at home for a while 834 6251 No I would not do that. the C. A is leaving 10 to 10 PM. C A Mirror Invoked the Dove Angel Now the pillar is come. Now the Dove is there just as before. Are you still the protector of this (the Evani) Glass 835 6252 I am Will you allow my Seer to have one of those visions you were formerly kind enough to show her 79 836 6253 What vision do you wish to see One of those beautiful Visions if the Spirit World wch my Seer used to see, any that you may please 837 6254 I will do so Can you tell me any mode of Preventing any At spirit from appearing uncalled 838 6255 There is a way of dispelling them Will you please to inform me 839 6256 No answer [Again] 840 6257 There are evil consequences attending on the means of dismissing, I have no objection to tell you One let from the of a into the effectually dispels them That of course does not in any way injure the body of the person whose At Spirit is there but as it cannot be again removed from the glass. Evil spirits arise from it & appear May I ask you to favor me with your Seal the same as I have here of the C. A. 841 6258 Have you any reasons for wishing me to give it you I explained 842 6251 [*?*] I will do so then Now theres something come like a piece of Glass with red lines and letters on, its about the size of y'r present Seal (the silver one) Evanis' learing 1/4 past 10 PM. 80 Evani Glass 1/4 past 10 we requested a Vision in the Evani Glass which immed'ly became thick -- & Mr Dresser appeared, dressed as usual in black with spectacles on - & so plain & nat'l that he app'd as tho he could be felt. I expostulated with him for annoying me so. I begged of him to leave 6252 b "You will have more trouble with me yet." I exorcised & endeavored in Vain -- To dispel him, Emma observed that when I thrust my finger at him he disapp'd but immediately reappeared & when I thrust my [pen?] at him it seemed to strike a press ag't his shoulder without and so squeeze his back ag't the mirror of the Evani Glass which Emma did not like to see. Upon turning to the C A Mirror & requesting him to be [censured?] there appeared 843 6252 b Evani does not know any other over Mr. Dressers Atmospheric Spirit 6253 b The vision promised is waiting to appear-- I asked if there were no other means of dispelling him 844 6254 b Evani does not know any other means. Mr. Dressers AS. still keeping in the [xx] Evani Glass & preventing our Vision -- we at 1/4 before 11 went to supper., and upon ret'ing at 20 past 11 PM. Emma observed he is still here -- & we left off. 81 ♂︎die 27 June 1854. present Mr C Stuart 8.30 PM Invoked the C A. The C A is here as usual. If in an emergency I call upon you on any Ev'g this week will you oblige me by appearing 845 6255 b I will if it cannot be delayed until next Tuesday Have you any Comm'n to make to me concerning M Rob't Owen this ev'g. [or s] 846 6256 b I cannot give it you until you have rec'd an answer to your letter. My friend Mr Stuart is desirous of asking some questions upon a point of doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church will you favor us with a reply 847 6257 b I will May I ask if there is any Efficacy or beneficial tendency to the souls of deceased persons - arising from prayers offered up by Priests - relatives or friends of the deceased 848 6258 b It is of use to them while remaining in the atmosphere, afterwards it is not May I ask in what way the prayer of the living are of use to deceased souls whilst passing thru the atmosphere. 849 6259 By unity of Feeling existing between the souls of mortals and those deceased before developing their spiritual form My meaning is do the prayers of the living benefit the souls of the deceased - thru' God direct or by Jesus Christ as a Mediator or the Virgin Mary as an intercessor 850 8260 It does not. it quickens their progress 82 thru the atmosphere into a higher spiritual state, but after that it is of no use. Is there a place of purgation - of punishment thru which deceased mortals pass to be cleared from their sins 851 6261 There is a state of purification, not punishment in the atmosphere, those persons who die on Earth, and do not go directly into Evil --- -- -- ---- -- -- - when they have passed the atmosphere they [have] progress[ed] some much slower than others but none go back, and at last they reach the Celestial Sphere where they remain until the day of Judgmt and there meet their reward. ----------- Those who depart in Evil remain in an Evil state until that day and then meet their [reward] punishment While therefore the souls of those we love are undergoing this state of purification, do our prayers benefit them by exciting them to pray or does the almighty regard the prayers of the living so that their passage thru the purifying stage is rendered quicker. 852 6262 Jesus Christ & the Virgin Mary are both Mediators with God, & the prayers of the living are made acceptable to them who maketh them Acceptable to God. and he passes them more easily & quicker thru the state of purification which fits them for a higher Sphere. 83 I pray daily for the welfare of a dear departed wife may I ask if my prayers are made acceptable [to God] and tend to assist her in her passage thru the state of purification 853 6263 Your prayers are useless now, she has passed thru the atmosphere & ascended to the 1st Sphere. Will my prayers now - retard her advance, or is it advisable that I should continue my prayers for her 854 6264 They neither retard nor progress her She is beyond their power Can Emma this Evening have a Vision of [?] who now resides in South America 855 6265 Mr Dresser has occupied the Erani Glass since last Tuesday Evening I wish you could inform me how to dismiss him 856 6266 Mr Dresser has certainly an Evil Spirit attached to him very lately. I felt it when he was last here. Shall I ask him to return my Crystal - & will you inform me how he is to rid himself of So Vexatious an Attack' 857 6267 I so not wish you at present to drop his acquaintance -- It would have been best had you [better] never known him,. and when he Returns the Crystal be careful that you discharge it with a very strong will Does Mr Stuart possess the faculty of Seeing in Crystals 858 6268 he does not [?] any members of his Family possess it 859 6269 I cannot tell 84 I regret that my friend Mr Dresser, should annoy me so much spiritually, as from his learning religious feeling I had expected much. 860 6270 Religion & learning are too often the Cloak for folly and wickedness Shall we be able to see Mr. if I call him 861 6271 You can of Course call him but I doubt whether he would appear. May I ask when he will Appear 862 6271 Next Tuesday week he will appear. My friend will attend that evening -- Can you tell me some method of dismissing Mr. Dresser Effectually as I do not like to use the Formula given me by Erani 863 6273 Mr Dresser has so much power to remain thru' being a freemason, in that way he has more power to remain than you have to dispel him May I ask in what manner his being a member of a Society like the Freemasons gives him the power of remaining against my Will 864 6274 All persons belonging to the Society of Freemasons are endowed with a Supernatural Power of Will & mind, in which the will is more effectual than the body Your answer as to his being a Freemason giving him a [?] natural power of will is to me [incomp?] The Majority of their Lodges are mere song song & drinking clubs & their Esoteric Secrets are Nil 865 6275 It does do so I do not like to use the Formula given me by Erani 866 6276 It is the only method of dispelling him effectually. pointing to his own Seal attached to the MIrror 85 may I ask if you advise me to use that formula [*867*] In extreme cases I certainly do, because after it is used evil spirits can effectually be dispelled by means of this Talisman But unless in extreme cases I object [*6277*] to it very much It is playing with the terrible powers which a portal possesses. Can you favor me with new information that will tend to relieve my friend Mr Stuart from the mental & nervous afliction under which he labors. [*6278*] [*868*] I can Will you please to do so [*6279*] [*869*] I would rather give it you first that you might give it him I will wait your pleasure. [*6280*] [*870*] You can send him the instructions in a day or two in a letter. 1/2 part 9 my friend Mr Stuart left. & the CA. left the M'r. 10 to 10. Invoked the C A The C A is here As to Mr Stuart's Nervousness. [*891*] It is essentially necessary to his recovery that he should abstain from all strong drinks I should wish you to make a [*6281*] copy of the Talisman I gave you for that purpose, and give it to him From abstaining from Spirituous liquors for some time, he will find his whole system cooled & invigorated Dr Merton 86 It is not so much the nervous system that is deranged, as the blood which constitutes the life - This will be purified. You will make a Copy of this When I have so made it will you Kindly Verify it 872 6282 I will do so, but when this is done a great deal more remains to do himself Every one possesses the will if they rightly use it, of soothing themselves indeed of Mesmerising themselves. - he must fix his mind entirely upon one thing some light or frivolous thing that would be entirely different from what his mind was then engaged on Should this prove ineffectual he should Consult a physician, Dr Elliotson I sincerely believe to be the first physician in the world, the very first. As to my being a [symbol] 873 6203 I have a great objection to you being a fellow of a [symbol] Lodge unless you could at once become a member of that Sacred Society of which the Fathers are now at Jerusalem. But can you tell me in what manner I can become a member of that particular Society 874 6204 It is not only folly but wickedness in joining a Lodge of a society who have no possible good, and a great deal of harm for their intentions 87 Can you tell me the name of the Society whose members are now under, or in, at Jerusalem 875 6285 They are Followers of the Rosy cross By what means can I become a B.R.C [6286] 876 6286 The Society is in France and unless you went there and were installed as a Brother you could not possibly become one Are the Lodges held in Paris or where else 877 6287 Much confidence as I may have in you I do not feel at liberty to tell the Place of their meeting unless you intend to become one Napoleon the 1st Emperor of France was a member of that Society. Do the [?] M. C. study the Occult Sciences 878 [6] 6288 They do after an Interview with an invisible Poser, which they have at stated Times the Elders by turns travel to Jerusalem You have seen their Place of meeting in the Crystal - It is in the they they return to the rest of the Society, with the instructions they receive from the invisible Agent. -- upon this they act. I presume the members must be limited to the learned and the wealthy. 879 6289 No the the Wealthy for Jean Jacques Rousseau was one of its firmest Supporters [*xx*] 6290 I will show you visions that will tend to enlighten you but in the meantime I hope you will not join the English Lodge 88 880 6291 I wish Mr. Dresser could be persuaded to cease to become a member I ret'd thanks & begged one of the Visions 881 6292 It is too late now 1/2 past 10. 882 6293 I wish to say something before I leave If you receive a letter from [B???] M. be doubly careful that you do not answer it before you communicate with me -- Should you deem it necessary call me into this mirror when you receive that letter, I do not say that it will actually arrive, but it is the intention of parties for it to do so Your father is more comfortable now than he has been for some time indeed he is so losing his faculties that he is becoming almost invisible to either grief or joy I regret to say that his wife's eldest daughter is fast following in her footsteps. I ret'd thanks [?] - & asked if the C A had any fur Comm'n to make 883 6294 I have not The C A's gone 20' to 11 PM. The last vision was on the 27.h June & a few days aftds. Emma was taken very ill -- with one of her usual attacks of headache & low fever -- which lasted two or three weeks & we were accordingly prevented from inspecting until [Mars symbol] die 8. Aug 1854 89 ♂︎die. 8 Aug. 1854, C A Mirror 1/4 to 8 to 8 Invoked the C A. No Vision 8h .7' Japan Crystal Invoked Ada No vision Called Mr Anderson No vision 1/4 to 9. Invoked the C A. No vision 1/4 to 10. Invoked the C A No vision 11' to 10 Japan Crystal Called Mr Anderson No vision Neither the Mirror or Crystal got even to the slightest degree clouded Selma took the Japan Crystal which immediately appeared thick & clouded to her & tho spots appeared & afterwards what appeared to be reading, but she could not distinguish anything clearly ♂︎die 15 August 1854 The C A Mirror 7.30 PM Invoked the C A Immediately the mirror veiled & there appeared [*884*] The Crowned Angel will have great [*6295*] pleasure in appearing & continuing the vision as before after next Tuesday Eveng" 90 Japan Crystal Called Mr Anderson heres Mr Dresser in black frock coat, grey trousers, black waistcoat & hat -, no spectacles I asked him why he came but could obtain no answer & I determ'd to dismiss him by the spell - Selina took the Crystal & saw a little man in it extremely small upon handing it to Emma. She said heres Mr Andersons Cousin. who appeared before., in black with lightish waistct & no hat. Are you Mr Andersons Cousin 6296 I am, You called Mr Anderson. I hope Mr Anderson is quite well 6297 I trust that he is but today, now perhaps in the thickest of an engagement if there was any thing particular ----- ------ The reading appearing so indistinct I asked him if he would appear in my Box Mirror 6298 If you wish it I would Certainly appear but I think it is unnecessary. When do you think Mr A will be able to appear 6299 he will appear some time when [it] he is able it is his wish that I should appear in his stead The Box Mirror he is here larger. [?] plainer & I informed him why I charged it -- remarked I believed he was not partial to these occult studies 91 6300 I cannot say that I should not be fond of it but educated amongst Catholics and brought up in that religion I have not had the chance of investigating it. My cousin has had nothing to do whereas I from my 19th year have followed a very ------ profession I asked him to render the answers plainer 6301 The difficulty arises from my not being able to speak[ly] thoroly English will you oblige me by repeating some coupled Epigram or line of some Spanish poet, it would greatly interest & oblige me No answers he's going, gone, Ada's Japan Crystal 1/4 past 8 PM. Called my own A Spirit here you are in black (directly) how do you do this evening 6302 I will appear in that in one minute Box mirror You are here. 6303 If I had been in your place I should not have called any visions this evening after the answer you received in the Mirror 92 Certainly I would not have done so had I thought the C A would be offended 6304 He is not offended at any thing, but of course after he said he would show you the visions as usual after next Tuesday Evening he can of course have nothing to do with those that appear now. they cannot be governed by him I explained any reasons & my urgent wish not to offend the C A. 6305 You should not say offend, because he forgives every thing the moment that it is done, if he were ever offended he must bear some resentment. I am but a bad logician I meant that I should be sorry to do any thing that would displease him. 6306 He does not even feel displeasure, he feels grief. Have you any thing else to say Have you any means of knowing whether I should go to Chepstow or not. 6307 Whether you will or not I cannot say it is best for you not to do so I should advise you to ask the C A's Advice he of course knows whether you will or not. I have been much annoyed about S.H 6308 My advice seems useless I could give you advice about something Else. ☿die 2nd August & 3rd 4th. 5th. Mr Gilkes suffering from a severe attack of Tic or Neuralgia on the left side of his face which was much swollen was mesmerised by me on ☿die for 3/4 of an hour without apparent relief and he passed a sleepless night -- but on the 3rd Aug. I mes'd him for ab't the same time & the pain entirely left him & the next [?] the swelling had nearly subsided - Mr Gilkes did not show any tendency to sleep indeed we chatted nearly all the time I was mes'ing him on the 3rd & 4 nights I mes'd him as a finish & to relieve his attacks of Spasmodic Asthma under which he has labored some years. Mr. Gilkes had an Attack of Neuralgia about 3 months before which lasted several weeks & he tried the Sea air & had a [second?] tooth pulled out without any relief. 93 What is it 6309 Neither to Mesmerise Mr Gilkes over his friends. Certainly I would not if it [was] is infamous either to him or my self Can you give me any Valid leason for not doing so 6310 I hope you will ask your G S. whether you ought to do so or not. I relived Mr Gilkes I many say cured him of his Attack of Neuralgia 6311 Ah. I did it for pleasure or Vanity which you please but certainly not for profit 6312 I didn't for a moment mean that you would hurt yourself by what you got from them. Then I hope you will drop it with Mr Gilkes. do you in the A.S. state believe in Astrology 6313 Yes Can you tell me my Correct time of birth or the exact degree ascending of the Horoscope he's going 20' to 9 PM. Whilst we were using the mirror Selina inspected The Japan Crystal & saw a little man holding out his hand towards me but very small, afterwards some reading but not decipherable - upon handing it to Emma it appeared quite clear to her, but [?] [?] to Selina. -- Mr Owen to here 94 [Mars symbol]die 29 Aug. 1854 The C. A mirror 1/4 past 8 PM Invoked the C A The C.A appeared as usual Informed him as to my having written to S.H. and also as to Mesmerising Mr Gilkes 885 6314 You did right in both cases but I should not advise you to try Mesmerism as a common Remedy. As to my accepting the offer to go to Chepstow. 886 6315 If you had the opportunity of going I should not advise it As to my finger (a kind of [?] on the middle Finger) 887 6316 Let it stay as it is until Thursday then have it opened you will be inconvenienced by it for some time. As to Emma's Health 6317 No answer [?]S. has now been some weeks or months in England & he has not written to me which under past Circumst'es I think he ought in Courtesy to have done, even if it had only been to say that he had no further interest in the Subject, & consequently to decline any further correspondence. 888 6318 He is tired of a Subject which only had interest in his eyes from [his] its novelty Have you any communication to make to me relating to Mr Robert Owens 889 6319 No Answer May I ask this evening some questions relative to the Book of Job 890 6320 Yes, From my not being able to Job 5 Chap. 13. verse "He taketh the wise in their own craftiness and the counsel of the forward is carried headlong." 95 Communicate with you In some time it has partly destroyed that [?] which is so necessary between us it prevents me for a short time from giving you answers So long or so clear as I might wish I will answer them now As to the Book of Job: Is the Book of Job and the relations contained therein to be deemed by us a fictitious Tale or Poem or is a real History Record of Facts, which took Place as therein stated 891 All contained in it is not true, it should 6321 rather be deemed as a Historical Novel than as a sacred fact. In this book of Job which is the 18th book in our Protestant Bible is to us of unknown date through which very many conjectures have been formed concerning it, May I ask you at what period [?] or if the World as [Completed?] by the Jews did Job Live or of whom was he the Contemporary. 892 It is founded on the Sufferings and complaints 6322 of one person, the other parts are exaggerated or altogether introduced to set him in the Light of an example It was written in the time of [Nimes?] and made Holy [?] by him When Paul in I Cor. 3-19 when quoting the book of Job says "For it is written "He taketh the wine in their own craftiness" did he thereby mean to imply that the Book of Job was a genuine and authentic composition of inspired authority. Job 9 v 9 "Which maketh Arcturus Orion & Pleaides and the chambers of the South" Job 38. 31. Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleaides or loose the bands of Orion? 38. 32 Canst though bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou[g] guide Arcturus with his sons? [*x x*] Emma here remarked "theres three little boys - white things, like little children with wings which go off into shadow. "Arcturus" Job. 38. 32. The name of a star or more probably a constellation in the Northern Heavens. Some have supported [Jupiter symbol] and his satellites were intended - others that this and other stars mentioned by Job were leading constellations of Spring & Autumn in the days of the Patriarch Dr Eadie Pleaides - a cluster of stars in the neck or near the should of [Taurus symbol] appearing about the Middle of April they are associated with the return of Spring the Season of "Sweet influences". Dr [Jn?] Eadie Orion a constellation of about 80 stars seen in the Southern Hem'r. about the middle of November & hence associated with cold & frost - figuratively represented as bands which no human power can dissolve Ibid Mazzaroth - supposed by some to mean the 12 Signs of the Zodiac each of which is brought forth in its season by the wisdom & power of God only - the Vulgate renders the term Lucifer it is left in our version untranslated. Ibid 96 893 6324 No he did not May I ask to what Star or Constellation is now known to us mortals did Job refer to as [?] & Chesel 894 6325 It is not a Star known amongst men, it is [illustration] and known to us in the Spirit Languages -- xx Those spirits resident in Spheres up to the highest communicate with each other by signs the same as those you have seen - If one wishes to express his sorrow to another occasioned by a mortal, his companion understands him by seeing a man in tears - or his joy at the unexpected fulfilment of a desired object by a human being in his mortal form entering Heaven. Job. 1. v. 6. & 7 May I ask an explanation of this verse, am I to view it as a fact or only as a poetical or figurative description. 895 6326 It is only used figuratively Evil is attracted towards good in trying to pervert it, so that altho Evil spirits are continually watching the souls of men; they gather more especially round any body of light because the Holier a (body!) would be the richer would be their harvest. in appropriating them to themselves, they are not repulsed they are rather attracted by goodness and Supernatural indeed must 97 that good be that could wholly [?] them. In this and many other passages of Scripture when the hand is said to be used, is it to be deemed as a figurative expression or implying that there is an occult or magnetic force existing in the hand. 896 6327 It means that all Power of obtaining anything belongs to the hand, and not only that but the hand has a Magical power more even than Speech. If a blessing or a malediction [?] a strong wish or a prayer is [?], it is effected when the hand is extended - the right hand I mean. even when it would not be when only uttered by the lips If this is a record of real wants it is opposed to my very limited comprehension of the Divine Goodness that so many human beings should be thus [to] so [?] up to Satan & so cruelly slaughtered Burnt and crushed as here stated / of course I do not make any reference as to the will of the Almighty to do his pleasure with his creatures / even as in chapter 2 verse 3 "without Cause" 897 6238 They were not it is inconsistent with the Character of an all Merciful Judge as taught in other parts. Job Is this a correct rendering of the Original, seeing there could be no good to Job by cursing God& then dying . 898 6329 It was - & he believed that by cursing him 98 He would have revenge upon a power which she did not believe to be Almighty From the Allusions made in this book I presume Job was a Gentile, certainly not a Jew. 899 6330 No answer. The whole of the chapter is divided in the Protest't Bible is attributed to Job, but as the verses from 11 to 23 are in direct contradiction to all that Job has said before, some commentators consider that these verses were spoken by Zophar - seeing that Eliphaz & Billdad had both spoken thrice. May I ask of they were spoken by Job or [Elip] Zophar 900 6331 By Job. If these verses were spoken by Job are we not rather to consider them a summary of his friends opinions and that he then at Verse 28 presents with his own opinions as a direct reply to it 901 6332 Yes The six chapters which intervene between Job's last words and Gods appearance or Speech out of the worldwind is by many Hebrew Scholars, supposed not to be genuine but an interpolation of some Jewish transcriber who wished to establish the Doctrine "of Virtue always meeting its reward in this World" Did they exist in the original or not. 902 6333 They did. But we see in Every day life - Virtue [?] in the most abject poverty. whilst successful villainy [?] not only riches but titles of Honor. 903 6334 Virtue has its reward so far, that poverty or riches is as nothing to a man having 99 a clear conscience, the humble and honest laborer who never has knowingly or willingly injured any human being must be more happy in his conscience and satisfied with himself, and as he has passed thru' life without pleasure, can look forward to death without dread. True there is some consolation in reflecting that "[If] the poor Man May die & the Rich man Must" But when men like the Bishop of D -- who by swindling the Ecclesiastical Commissioners in Eleven Years out of £72,000 more than he gave his word of Honor he w'd take & thereby robbing his poorer brethren "is Enabled to leave a handsome fortune to each of his Children they are able to live virtuously and die happily" whilst the Children of the Right Rev'd Father in God's poorer brethren May be by poverty, seduced crime and die--hopelessly -- Thus the way that Vice not Virtue meets the reward 904 6335 One Mans Eternal damnation is dearly bought with the riches he leaves to his Children -- I exceedingly regret that any thing should have occurred to sever the Unity between us may I hope you will be pleased to endeavor to restore it. 905 6336 It is restored in a very short time by Communication have you any more questions Can you tell me by what means I could ascertain the meaning of the Inscriptions of Hieroglyphs of the Antiquities lately found in Assyria 906 6337 A Spirit of the Sim would be able 101 Farm bailiff, Gamekeeper, or Parkranger that would be suitable for him. But Mr B. would object to my leaving him, & particularly to go to a client. 909 6340 Will you ask him, indeed you cannot tell the benefit that would come from it Your own good should surely be studied by you, before that of any other person. But we have amongst mortals a law of Honor. & that is [?] prevent my accepting the situation without Mr B's assent 910 6341 I shall be able to form other means more in unison with your own feelings I trust shortly. This evening I will say no more but be convinced that throughout my only wish has been to act for your temporal as well as spiritual [benefit] welfare & safety Will it be convenient to you to favor us with the prom'd vision as to the S.F.R.C. 911 6342 You shall have a vision next Tuesday Evening when I appear earlier. 10' past 10. The C a's gone ♂︎die 5th Sept 1854 7:30 PM. C. A Mirror Invoked the C. A. As to the F R C. 912 6343 I shall not be able to do so this evening I will give you all in due time As to the Formula for [Cicses?]. (see page ) 102 last Tuesday evening you wished for a Spiritual vision I will give you that this evening I ret'd Thanks 913 6344 At 10' past 9 the Vision will take place Shall it be in this Mirror 914 6345 Yes As to the Formula (spirit raising from a [?]) 915 6346 I gave you that information once I explained that I meant the animated figures not the Palingenesis 916 6347 No answer. May I ask the nature & use of Comets, seeing their great diversity some appearing without tails & others with Tails like that of 1680. 100,000,000, of Miles in length, some performing their circuit in 1200 days - 6 1/2 years - 2460 days 175 years - 575 years & others not in thousands of years 917 6348 They are bodies of Substance, and they are to indicate forthcoming events, they act as messengers between the Sun & planets, as all the planets are ruled by the Sun, that being the Chief of them, and there existing no immediate connection between theme if it is necessary at times that a sign should be given to the World it appears as a Comet but to the other planets it has a different meaning But astronomers have calculated their returns and divines deny their being Harbingers of Events 918 6349 This World has many more ways of being guided either right or wrong than 103 the other planets. therefore it is necessary that they should have a foreshadower of events, and altho seen by the and believed in by many of them it is not so infinitely necessary as for the planets. [?] astronomers have computed there are 7 million of these bodies existing in our System may I ask if such a number is in any way correct. 919 6350 There is not a quarter of that number Can you tell me my true time or the exact degree Arising or Culminating at my birth 920 6351 No answer. (the C A shook his head) Have you any objection to my enquiring of a Spirit of the Sun, as to the meaning of some of the Assyrian Hieroglyphs & inscriptions 921 6352 I have not the least objection to give you the name of a Spirit of the Sun who would appear You would then be able to ask him questions concerning the Translation of the Inscriptions But I should not advise you to call him often afterwards or treat him as a familiar spirit I do not with him to get on the same footing or to hold the same place in your esteem as myself For I am jealous of others even as a man. I rel'd thanks & solicited his name 922 6353 his name is MOHAMED . ALI. 104 Is Mohamed Ali a spirit who ever lived on this earth. 923 6354 No he did not, he went from one of the planets into the Sun. By what means did he have that name which is so common among mortals in the East, has it any connexion with Islamism or belief in the Koran 924 6355 It has But these inscriptions are Several Centuries before Christ, & still more before Mahomet, would he [be] able to give me their correct meaning 925 6356 He would Is there any occult or spiritual meaning in the names of [Semirus?], Hunder Lorr, Hirschiel etc 926 6357 There is a meaning to each name which is known to the spirit world May I ask the meaning of the name Hunder. wh. was formerly my Guardian Spirit 927 6358 HUNDER signifies a Spirit grown old in adversity & Labor, as far as you understand To us it signifies (Emma here said now theres some of those droll little figures or fairies for tho they are more like little children than any thing else they do not look human. they appeared to form a kind of ever chasing letters or words.) Hunder who always appeared as an aged careworn man informed me much to my surprise that he was my G S. in consequence of my possessing the little oval Crystal - which I have given to Lieut Burton - was that really the case 928 6359 I have no doubt of it 105 Do you know if [Suat?] Burton has succeeded in obtaining Visions by any Seer in my little Crystal or the B K Mirror I made him. 929 6360 I have heard from one of the spirits that Mr Burton is at the seat of War or somewhere near it at the present time and that he has not been very successful with either his Crystal or Mirror I am going to Seven Oaks for a day or two to see Mr Robert Owen. - 930 6361 I shall be pleased if you do so I should have much pleasure to commune with Mr Owen himself I wish you could see Lord Stanhope without in any way appearing to seek him or his favor, could he hear from yourself Your success in these things are so much greater than when he left England, he would again turn his friend to them with more eagerness than before. I have reason to think that you will see him before long. I did not seek his acquaintance in the first place I think he has not used me courteously. & therefore cannot attempt to renew it. 931 6362 Is it convenient for the Vision I have promised to appear or have you any further questions. We shall be but too happy to receive it 1/4 to 9 PM. The C. A's lef & the mirror is clear 106 ♂︎ die Sept'r 5th 1854 1/4 to 9 PM The C. A Mirror 6303 The mirror is gradually darkening on the right side (facing E) & the C A is going, the other side is light but its getting dark, the dark is coming up into the light as tho mixing with it, now its light all round a dark spot. - the dark spot is facing me its more square than round, it is 7 or 8 inches wide and ragged all round, now it is changing getting dark brown or clay color, now it is like the end of a square piece of earth with gold or silver arcs in layers amongst it, such streaks of light shining in it, on the top there is [mould?] and sand, there appears something like thick lime water oozing out between the layers of metal and stone on the top of each layer, now there is much more coming out and the top is crumbling open & theres a lot working out at top, as it comes up it forms into a persons head & face that which comes out of the top, it looks so ghastly it looks like liquid silver running into a human form. beginning at the head, it seems to trickle down & form the hands & arms, even the hair, just as tho' it ran down & then dried in the shape of a person & there it lays like a naked human silver image Now theres another coat running over it which makes it larger, & theres the nose & features more distinct Now the image is rapidly changing color getting almost black, its getting lighter, its flesh 107 color now coming creeping over it, its got feathers flesh colored feathers all over it. Now they are all gone into one & thats made a robe like white cambric the Changing was most curious, now the figure is Animated and begins to move, it moves with convulsive starts the head & shoulders, now the legs convulsed, now the eyes have opened as tho life was brought in suddenly, now its upright standing moving its arms, it has light hair a beautiful face, blue eyes, dark eyebrows & eyelashes small mouth very short form set teeth. square closed teeth. a beautiful expression on the face, nice hands I can hardly tell the Sex. the dress is round the neck & falls loose down to the ancles it looks very beautiful standing on the earth with the Silver ore underneath. it has put its right arm out straight & rather upwards & the robe's fell up to the shoulders leaving the arm quite bare it looks like a preacher standing there. Now the earth is going down & he is going up, he rises so gently still standing, the earth's going down tis nearly out of sight, its quite gone. His arm is still out there is nothing under his feet, there's something coming all round him, it looks like a cave of Stalectite or rather tunnell as you can see thro' it and the further end is very small, its getting so beautiful, theres Eight pedestals coming out of the Wall on each side they are at equal distance the whole length they seem like brackets coming out of the Wall with pedestals, on them something on the pedestals. the 108 branches & pedestals are like the purest Parisian marble and the stalactites are all colors & looking as tho' they are wet & dripping - Now theres The Children standing upon the pedestals upon one foot & both arms out & one foot out, in pink dresses with pink roses round their heads they just balance themselves on one toe on each pedestal. (they are the children that appeared on the Balls) the figure in white still stands at the entrance with his arm up. I asked if the Figure in the Vision could speak 6364 Now the figure has turned round towards you and is looking at you May I ask your name 6365 Now the mirror is all clear once. I asked the CA to continue the Vision the mirror veiled (20' past 9) 932 6366 The vision will be continued next Tuesday Evening did I do wrong in asking questions 933 6367 It was that which dispelled it now 9'h 30 PM. I was preparing to call J. H. when Emma remarked here is some one in the mirror, it's Mr Anderson. he is so altered so changed, hes copper colored & rough I am afraid you have not been playing at soldiering by your looks 109 It's the weather knocks me up, its not what I do How are you We are all very well thank you, I regret to hear how bad you have had the Cholera in the East 6368 If they had begun fighting in the Spring we should have had the war probably ended with the loss of perhaps not a great many more men than have died of disease he's going. I requested him to stay Have you lost your troublesome Phantom Visits 6369 Yes I am all right now thank you do you think you will get leave of absence & come home in the Winter 6370 Yes about the end of October do you think the Crimea will be attacked this year 6371 No, I do not hes going - Will you come regain next Tuesday Evening 6372 If I possibly can hes bowed & gone 5' Called Fred Hockley 6373 "He will not appear unless accompanied [I] by Mr Dresser Declined both.- action ended. Spiritualism in the West. Correspondence between the believers in the H[?] [?] in [?] + the Revd. D[???] Rice Cincinnati, Longley Brothers Printers [??pp]. 22. 1854 110 ♂︎die 12 Sept 1854 C. A. Mirror 7.30 PM Invoked the C. A. The C. A. is here. I am much obliged by the vision commenced last Tuesday evening in which we feel great interest and I have to express my regret at inadvertently causing its disappearance thro speaking to it & questioning it Which [he] I will not do again but seek the explanation from you 6374 the C A bows his head, I have had the pleasure of passing a few days with Mr Robert Owen, who I was pleased to find exceedingly well in health, he requested me to return you his sincere thanks for the favor you did him in answering his former questions, & has this day sent me 24 more to which he requests to be favored with your views I [have] also went to Miss Sally Cook's. (ES!?] former Seer but she was not at home.- I have just perused an American Book written by a [lively?] body of believers on Spirit Manifestations in which they challenged Mr. Rice a Doctor in Divinity to discuss two sets of Propositions one in defence of Christian Doctrine as understood by Protestant & other dissenting Christians the other propositions in defence of the views & theorems laid down by Believers in Spirit tapping They are Propositions of great Interest and I should be much gratified by learning your views or replies to them as affording me grounds for serious reflexion - may I request that favor 934 6375 I will answer them As your questions from the Holy Scriptures 111 were begun and for the most part continued in the presence of Mr Till it would be as well to postpone them. until he has an opportunity for being present. May I now ask these questions 935 6376 Yes A Prop. 1 The Bible is the Word of God, being a full revelation from Him to Man. in itself complete and never to be either enlarged or diminished 936 6377 It is the word of God because it was written by His (knowledge?) & Will and the New Testament by His inspiration but it is not all correct. The original MS was in some places wrong, and that is much altered Now, the material points were quite right and now remain so. A Prop. 2 A Being exists, the Antagonist of God, and All righteousness called the "Devil" Satan" Beelzebub" etc 937 6378 A Body of Evil does exist in direct[ion] opposition to God. That evil is the Enemy of mankind. A Prop. 3 Man was at, & sometime after his Creation perfect in his intellectual, moral & physical Nature 938 6379 He was perfect in his physical Nature but his mind was undeveloped Even as a Child's he was to attain knowledge by intercourse with his Creator & the rest of Creation 112 A Prop. 4 Man being thus perfect, he yielded to the Commands & persuasion of the Devil, and Violated a Divine Command, & in consequence fell from his high estate Cursed of God, with total depravity & Eternal death. 938 It was in his imperfection that he sinned and they are wrong to suppose that one 6380 act committed by the first man should so entirely change his situation A Prop. 5 that God so loved man in his present fallen condition, that He sent His only Son to die upon the Cross, and thereby redeem man from the effect of the Curse - this son was Jesus Christ - very God and very man. and he together with God the Father, and God the Holy Ghost, constitute the Holy Trinity - the Everlasting God. 939 that is right. By his redemption the three are united and the Salvation 6381 of Man is complete. A Prop. 6 Men are saved by the favor of God, thro faith in Jesus Christ; and those dying out of his favor & faith are heirs of Eternal death by inheritance from the Original Progenitors of the race. and [?] remain to all Eternity in the torments of Hell 940 As all men are born sinful it is by the Mercy of God that they are Saved. He showeth that mercy to those 6382 that seek it - but thro the intercession of his Son. He also showeth His loving kindness to those who sin those and 113 altho they cannot be saved as those who are righteous by their own merits, they are not consigned to everlasting Punishment they are punished for a length of time that seems to them while in that state a punishment eternal, but it comes to an end. [Latin A underlined] Prop. 7 After death and at some remote day in the future - the day of general Judgment, the Souls of Men will be arraigned, tried and a decree rendered in each case, by virtue of which the faithful pass into Heaven becoming Angels of light & transcendant bliss on the one hand, and the unfaithful on the other one Consigned to Hell. 941 6383 That is wrong because they believe that all spirits pass the time between death & judgment in a state of unconsciousness but it is not so, A man does not enter the Presence of his maker as they leave the[y] earth, they are there to receive judgment. but they have all been progressing towards good since their death, by that time a great part of the punishment awarded to the [?] are over, most of them indeed are entirely happy then the gates of Paradise are unfolded & they are Eternally & supremely blest, Even the best who die do not have the most perfect bliss until that day altho they cannot imagine a state happier than their own 114 they look forward to it with great pleasure May I solicit your view of that passage of the 7th prop'n which refers to the Christian belief "that the [?] on the other hand are consigned to Hell 942 6384 There are no torments that are everlasting Can any Christians imagine that God and when I say that I mean the Highest of All Angels, the Disposer of Beings, and the author of all Blessings & goodness could consign those creatures that He made with His own hands & moulded after his own Fashion - that he could let them taste the blessings of life & allow them to commit crimes in that life and then consign them to the most Frightful tortures forever without end - that no space of Time known to God, Angels or Man should in the least relieve them from those frightful torments. May I now Solicit Your Views on the 7 Propositions here laid down as forming the belief of a grat majority of the believers in tapping writing & speaking & other spiritual manifestations 943 6385 I have great pleasure in giving You an answer. B Prop. 1 That Nature is Gods revelation, and his laws the only infallible standard of Truth. 944 6386 They are entirely wrong in that Suppos'n Nature entirely obeys the Laws of God, so 115 so far it is truth, but nature of itself is powerless, without God - it ceases to exist -- it is nothing. B Prop. 2 That Man is a Progressive being, becoming by a [?] of his Nature, better, nobler, & more Godlike, and will in time, as a race become pure & righteous. 945 6387 Mans Moral and intellectual faculties are becoming more and more developed thro' every generation, but they are not getting more Godlike - Man in his outward and physical form is not so perfect as when first created, he is weaker, not even capable of sustaining life for a lengthened period which they they did but that in some can be attributed to the development of his intellectual faculties. The race of man will never become perfect for while man is flesh there is iniquity B Prop 3. That "Evil" is a relative term, and originates in the misuse of things, principles & faculties, in [?] [?] good; which misuse is occasioned by ignorance or misdirection - 946 6388 Evil is a separate power in opposition to God. it is that in itself which misdirects man and leads him to the abuse of those things which were intended for his good. - of himself altho he never would [never] be good - it is not in his nature to be entirely Evil. 116 B Prop. 4 That death is the process of transition from the earthly to the spiritual life, that by this process, the man is separated from the Body for ever., And in his spiritual form, commences his new life possessing precisely the same mental & moral attributes which he possessed before. 947 6389 Death is the transition from the corporeal to the spiritual state, but in passing from life into death, man only loses his flesh. the mind faculties & desires are exactly the same as those with which he quitted the earth, as he loses those faculties so he loses the perception of the things he left. and when he has entirely lost sight of them he then begins his progress. B Prop. 5 That the spirit entering the spirit world is drawn by spiritual attraction to such society as corresponds to his or her mental & moral condition, similes similibus and the enjoyment of all is in just proportion to their moral & intellectual elevation. 948 6390 When they have lost all that feeling that binds them to [each other] earth those that were then known to them they can appreciate all that is within their knowledge but still there are sympathies existing between them when in the lower spheres. B Prop. 6 That all even the lowest, entering the spirit world, may progress, forever rising higher in the scale 117 of being and becoming finer and Lovelier, and grander 949 6391 They depend upon others for many things they progress with them they show each other kindness, they have their differences of opinion concerning things unknown to them, but when they rise they are a perfect being in themselves they are at peace with all because there is no difference of opinion, they all recognize the same Law & they all are governed by the same desires. May I observe that by all the spiritualists appear to mean the Good that in whatever degree of sin they may die 950 6392 The Bad stop until their punishment is over before they begin to progress - the good Progress until they arrive at perfection Perfection before the Judgment day is the 7th Sphere after that we know not what we shall be B Prop. 7. That men Women & Children from the spirit World, may and do communicate with those on earth and that such communication os full of good to the Race 951 6393 Spirits both good and evil but more especially the latter can communicate with man before their gradual rise towards happiness, after that they lose all knowledge of man and therefore have no Will or desire to communicate with them, but when a manifestation is desired by good though undeveloped spirits towards man, they 118 choose an appearance to the party themselves and to them alone, by rappings or other noises they are never heard. Evil spirits and evil spirits alone feel themselves justified in giving man the opportunity for deception and imposture that will make him in the [*? 96*] end gain the wealth of a world and love his own Soul. It is my intentions to write to Mr. Robert Owen with a copy of these responses thus obtained from you and as I believe that the Gentlemen who are the authors of the Book are sincere in their desire to arrive at truth I wish also to send them your responses in the hope that they may lead them to ponder well on the Truths of Christianity, before they surrender their reason blindly to Invisible infallibility 952 6394 I will give you my answer to that presently. in the meantime will you continue your questions. Mr Robert Owen particularly requested that I would return you his best thanks, not only for the answers you were pleased to give to his propositions but for the kind sympathy expressed in your former responses relative to him and altho he differs with deference from many of your views, he entertains for them the highest respect & has written me the following letter containing 24 theorems or propositions - to which he solicits your kind response. 119 "Seven Oaks" 12th Sept. 1854. "I am desirous of submitting the following to the Crowned Angel of the 7 Sphere for his opinion of their Truth or his corrections of their errors. They are the impressions which have been made on my mind of the subjects stated Robert Owen" 1st That the universe is an eternal existence consist'g of space and all within it. [*?*] 953 6395 It is not eternal "Heaven and earth shall pass away but my lands shall not pass away" saith the Lord" In the words of the Most High we have the distinct assurance that the universe is at his will but a void - 2nd. That space is illimitable 3rd. That it is filled with the element or elements which are the materials or material of which all separate existances are formed 954 6396 In that he is wrong because in space there is no materials for any thing - space is the room in which material may be f space has no limits because, the whole of creation every thing created known & unknown there is room for them all 4. That this element or these elements contain inherent unchangeable qualities 955 6397 I cannot understand what he considers 120 the nature of that element can be which fills all space and from which are created all things. 5th. That the element or elements filling the universe with their inherent unchangeable qualities are eternal and constitute Deity, or the "All in All" of the Universe. 956 6398 He does not recognize the Almighty as a distinct & separate power from Nature - In that of course he is wrong - I cannot help remarking that he is too elaborate in his opinions strong opinions more simply expressed would be better understood. 6th That the Eternal element or elements filling the Universe is what men mean by Nature, and the eternal unchanging qualities of the element or elements. what they mean by God. 957 6399 Before I can distinguish the Truth from the error of his Arguments I must better understand his way of expressing them. You must tell him in the first place. That he makes the first false steps when he recognizes Nature Natures God as the same power that they are entirely distinct that He created the Universe & the elements and that he rules them. 121 Be pleased to accept my thanks. I will write to him as You direct Mr. Owen is a man who as you once before kindly expressed it has done so much through a lengthened life for the benefit of his fellow men without the hope of reward either here or hereafter. that he is preeminently entitled to the services of any one who may be the blessing of God be the means of pleasing him in the path of Faith, the more so as he has the great moral courage, boldly to avow his belief - however opposed it may be to his own or his friends preconceived opinions. 958 6400 That man has acted from his childhood from an inherent sense of right [and worth] no matter what it was if he believed that he was right he would probably avow it. That sense of right & truth has done a great, very great good for his fellow man by itself - but how much greater good would that do when guided by a religious sense of right when he can do those things under the blessing of God how much happier would be his feelings when he felt that he was chosen for a great worth and that it was the intention of the Almighty to give His reward accordingly I will write to him on the Subject as I have no other questions may I ask your advice as to writing to the authors of the Harmonical Philosophy I do not 122 intend unless it is your wish to write to Mr Rice as altho as Doctor in Divinity, he had neither the Courage to decline the Contest at once, nor to meet it honorably in wordy [?] but indeavered to shuffle out of it [with] by Fencing with mere Scholastic terms and that not without perverting portions of his adversaries remarks & blinking others. 959 6401 I wish you to write to Mr. Owen to give him my answer to all those questions Express my hope that his opinions on that subject will be changed and after that my pleasure in answering any questions that he may lay before me, as also a Communion thru this mirror with himself. To the authors of that Pamphlet I should also with you to send an [Account] answer to their questions the same as I have give you as speedily as possible, but do not trouble yourself to disturb Dr Rice in his pleasant cogitations, for Religion is to him I believe a perfect matter of indifference so long as it feeds his Table and allows him to yield to the pleasures of this Life I ret'd thanks & asked if there was any further advice he wished to give me 960 6402 There is I wish you to let this mirror remain charged for my 123 appearance until Saturday next on Saturday Evening I shall appear in it I have a reason for so doing I have impregnated my Seal which you have engraved with my Spiritual Essence I wish you until next Saturday to carry it upon your person and by so doing under the blessing of Almighty God, I can prevent what would otherwise happen. I am going tomorrow to Windsor on business which is rather urgent but I will return for the appointment 961 6403 You will take this seal with you I have nothing more to add. When the vision is ended you can discharge that Vision but shall let it be [dis]charged for my appearance that I may come when necessary, on next Saturday Evening I will not fail to appear The Vision Continued 20' to 10. PM. 6404 Now the Mirror's veiled but so dazzling I can scarcely see it, its gone into 8 divisions Now theres something coming in the 8 divisions and in the front of all [?] to me is the Man in White come, he was there instantaneously, I did not see him Come, the figure is getting so large there is a No 1 5 2 6 3 7 4 8 The action in the different sections appear to be going on simultaneously but of course any seeress could only see and describe them in succession 124 Scarlet Cross in front of his dress the top of the Cross close to the chin & reaching to the bottom of his dress it looks as tho embroidered on the dress. I think he has a beard but its very light, he has no whiskers the eight divisions are getting very plain but when I look at one I cannot see the others 6405 No 1 The top one shows the inside of a room in a little cottage with diamond window pains & a fire on the Hearth & some children the Children are sitting down before the Fire, there is an old woman bustling about and theres a sailor stands in one corner, blue jacket white Trousers no shoes or stockings and a little hat -- Now theres a stream of ray of light goes in 8 divisions from the white man with the Cross and at the bottom of the Ray is the likeness of himself up where the sailor is there is one of the rays with the reflexion of the Man in White over them as tho' looking down, the sailor stands there, now he has waived his hand and gone out of the Window 6406 No 2. There is a room more like a little Inn, wainskoat half way up and one or two common pictures, the floor sanded and a plain deal table, there's two men sitting down like Coal heavers with a pewter pot before them, Common little Rush bottome'd chairs, they are quarrelling flinging about stamping & shaking their fists theres a ray gone from the man in white Wheres the little man over them. 125 6407 No 3. This is a green field & a good many trees round it The Sun is shining on the open space and there's two Soldiers with their swords one has the point of his sword in the ground bending it, the other is feeling the blade thro' the thumb & finger, they are both about the same heighth, both very pale they are preparing to fight. - oh dont it look curious & theres a ray from the man in white with the little man over them. 6408 No 4. It is the inside of a Church I can see as tho looking down the centre Aisle & looking thro' the Communion window a very handsome Communion Service all spread out. - & 3 Seats. theres a Bishop in [?] sleeves, black robe white wig he stands in front of the Table reading a book in his hand, he is a very tall fine looking man., he first reads & then looks at the people. - theres 4. no 8 men in Clergymans Robes on one side & 8 men in entirely black gowns on the other. and the ray with the little white man stands over the Communion. 6409 No 5. The same Church & the same View of the altar Window this time there are Ladies & Gentlemen and no Clergymen they are Well dressed, theres a Gentleman Oh, its a wedding party the Pent'n stands on one side 126 and the lady on the other. theres no Clergyman but you can see its a wedding party, and theres a ray with the little man over them. 6410 No 6. This like a Country scene & fields - two fields with a style and a hedge on each side on this side of the style theres a girl with a child in her her arms She is very short and ragged, no shoes or stockings a woollen shawl an old black silk bonnett. its a very pretty view - its a very pretty child tho' so plainly dressed There's the ray & the little man over it 6411 No 7. Theres a bed black fringe & white Furniture Green Carpet white window Curtains white bed black fringe at the foot there's a clergyman his book open theres 4 boys, I dont know if the youngest is a boy hes about 3. the other 3 have Jackets and Trousers on. theres an oldish looking woman with her cap on sitting down beside the biggest boy some one is laying on the Bed, and the bed seems sunk down so. and the Curtains drawn. and theres the ray with the little man over them. 6412 No. 8 Theres a field - You seem to see the Country round very small & theres a tent its not high enough for any one to come out, theres a woman 127 coming out and she is creeping out, she's a gypsy theres no mistake about that, theres some little children dirty little ragged urchins playing about & some men & some more women and underneath them some reading -- I cant make it out, it looks like Oute ke fray a woley ra seval. She that come out seemed to speak that. - Now its all going 10' past 10 6413 "The Vision will be continued next Tuesday Evening" [Saturn symbol]die Sept 16. 1854 8:30 PM C A Mirror Invoked the C A. He's here as usual May I ask if you have any information to give me this Evening 962 6414 I have no information this Evening as I have done my duty in attending you while there was danger, you can now discharge me from the Mirror Accept my thanks. I have received this from S. H. 963 6415 do not answer it before net Tuesday Evening I can answer you, any questions before I leave The Vision you have so kindly shown to us has created great Interest may I now ask questions relating thereto 964 6416 It will be much best to wait until the Visions are finished The C. A's going - 5' 128 ♂︎die Sept 19. 1854. 7.15 PM. C. A Mirror Invoked the C A. The C. A is here as usual. I am this evening favored with the company of Dr Henry Travis a personal friend of Mr Robert Owen's and as I believe him to be a very courteous & candid enquirer, altho not a believer in Spiritual Manifestations as such is as being [?] by separate spiritual intelligences but rather as arising from some as yet unknown physical Law or occult force. I am desirous of giving him the opportunity of observing our peculiar mode of spiritual manifestation by the mirror may I solicit your kind response[s] to any question he may make. The C A. bows his head. On the 12 Sept. 1740. was born at Tuefenbach in Westphalia Johann S Heinrich [?]. Commonly called Stilling he died the 2nd. April 1814. in his 77th year fr'm The Humble Station of a Charcoalburners Son he became a Doctor in Philosophy Medicine & private [?] Councellor to the Grand Duke of Baden He appears thru his long life to have been possessed of strong religious feelings - & a strenuous believer in the Efficacy of prayer & consequently in the Doctrine of Special [?] - he having thro' life as Goethe remarks "an indestructible faith in God and in assistance "flowing from him immediately delivering him out of all "troubles & from Every Evil" of which in his life he gives many curious instances He was an Illuminati & the author of sev'l works - but his (to me) most interest "Theory of Pneumatology in reply to the question what ought to be believed or disbelieved concerning presentiments visions and apparitions according to nature [?] & scripture by Dr. Johann Heinrich Jung-Stilling - late professor of the universities of Heidelburg & Marsburg & [?] Counsellor to the Grand Duke of Baden -- Translated from the German by Sam'l Jackson London. Longman 12 [?] pp 469 1834 129 one is His Theory of Pneumatology in reply to the question what ought to be believed or disbelieved concerning presentiments visions & apparitions, this work has been excellently translated by Sam'l Jackson And the 5th Chapter contains a Brief Summary of His theory & inferences from it in 55 Propositions Altho some of these propositions are opposed to any present belief (thanks to your kind instruction they are still such as I should feel much gratified in submitting to you for such explanation as you may deem necessary for my Guidance in Spiritual Knowledge. May I ask them this Evening 965 6417 You may. Prop". 1 The whole creation consists solely of essential realized Ideas of the Deity, or pronounced words of God, I call these Ideas original existances. No being except God knows them all, and none is acquainted with their True real & peculiar nature. 966 6418 Gods work was not begun & finished at the same time Prop 2. Amongst the infinite number of these Original Existences, there are various classes, which are fully conscious of themselves, form Ideas of other original existences, & possess Reason & free will; to these belong Spirits, Angels & Men. Is he right in that proposition 967 6419 No he is not. He should not class spirits angels and men together - They are entirely different except in form, & that not complete. xx This [?]eopome was given in A[????] to D'P[????] question "Will [?] a please to define what we are to understand by "Reason" ". 130 [Prop." 3.] [*F H.*] do spirits & angels possess reason & free will as understood amongst mortals 968 6420 No they do not they know every thing and act by instinct [*xx*] Reason is a power possessed alone by Man. to distinguish him from the Brute creation. In what may I ask does man's free will consist in your view 969 6421 That he does a thing unbiassed by any motive except that given him by reason Prop: 3 We mortals are totally unacquainted with the Mental powers, or the faculty of imagination, thought & judgment and the Will of other classes of rational beings & only partially so with our own. 970 6422 In that he is right Prop. 4 In our present Natural State we cannot attain to any Knowledge of created things in any other way than thro' the Medium of our five organs of Sense. 971 6423 He is right as to the generality of people but there are exceptions. Prop. 5 If any change be made in our organs of sense, or their inward arrangement be altered, our Ideas of things & with them our knowledge becomes different, for instance if our Eye were otherwise formed all colors forms figures dimensions & distances would also be different & the same is the case with all the five senses Is he right in that proposition 131 972 6424 No he is not were it possible to change the Human Eye that would not alter Creation, it could not see things which do not exist. neither could it change those that do. Prop. 6 Beings that are differently organized to ourselves, form an entirely different idea of our world in what we do Hence it follows incontestibly that the ideas we form of the Creation & all the Science, & knowledge resulting from them depend entirely upon our Organization. 973 6425 He is wrong again there. Prop. 7. God views every thing as it is in itself, and in reality out Time & Space, for if he viewed things in space, and as no space can be conceived as really existing, unless limited; The views which God takes, would therefore also be limited, which is impossible; Consequently no space exists out of us in nature, but our ideas of it arise solely from our organization 6 & 7 974 6426 Then he must allow that all beings except the dwellers upon Earth, besides being differently organized from them possess a power of knowing all things. You can imagine space to be without limit and the Views of God also. But he does limit his views to the condition of man, and He views things as connected with others, he views them as a whole & then separately & unconnected with each other 132 Prop. 8 If God viewed objects in succession & rotation, He would exist in time, & then again be limited, Now as this is impossible, time is therefore also a mode of thinking peculiar to finite Capacities and not any thing true or real, But we mortals neither can nor ought to think otherwise than in time & space. 975 6427 Mans thoughts should not be limited and time was the Creation of the Almighty for time & space He gave to every thing and during that time & space He is the Master of all and exists with all [there is over] but after all here is over He still remains the same. Time does not affect Him neither does space. Prop. 9 Animal Magnetism undeniably proves, that we have an inward Man, a Soul, which is constituted of the Divine spark, the immortal spirit, possessing reason & will and of a luminous body, which is inseparable from it. 976 6428 [*see 134*] The spirit and the Soul as belonging to the Body are distinct, and they are like thought[s] confined to the body and known only to it, having no visible appearance while life lasts. Prop. 10 Light, Electric Magnetic Galvanic Matter, and Ether appear to be all one and the same body, under different modifications, This light or Ether is the element which connects soul & Body 133 and the spiritual & material world together. 977 6429 In that he is entirely wrong. [*FH.*] Are they the same Imponderable Existences 978 6430 No they are separate & distinct from each other Prop. 11 When the Inward Man, the human soul forsakes the Inward Sphere, where the senses operate and merely continues the vital functions, the body falls into an entranced state, or a profound sleep during which the soul acts much more freely Powerfully and actively, all its faculties are Elevated 979 6431 When in the Magnetic Sleep, the spirit leaves the body but the soul remains dormant. Prop. 12. The more the soul is divested of the Body, the more extensive, free, and powerful is its inward sphere of operation -- It has therefore no need whatever of the body, in order to live and exist: the latter is rather an hindrance to it; it is exiled into its dull & gloomy prison because it is its medium of communication with the visible world, of which it has need in its present state, in order to its ennoblement & perfection 980 6432 He is quite right in the latter part of that argument but wrong in the first The soul and the Body cannot be separated while life exists Prop. 13 The whole of these Propositions are sure and certain inferences, which I have drawn from 134 experiments in Animal Magnetism, these most important experiments undeniably show that the soul does not require the Organs of Sense, in order to be able to see, hear, smell taste feel, in a much more perfect state; but with this great difference that in such a state, it stands in much nearer connection with the spiritual than the material world. 981 6433 He is wrong in his Conclusions as to what the Human Soul is He regards it as a spirit, with knowledge of all things but it really is a spark as it were of the Almighty's own being given to each man that he may with the knowledge that that soul will have life hereafter govern his actions by reason so that life hereafter may be full of bliss. [Prop?]. 14 The soul in this state, has no perception whatever of the visible world; but if it be brought into reciprocal connexion (rapport) with some one who is in his natural state, and acts thru' the medium of his corporeal senses, for instance, when the latter lays his hand on the pit of the heart of the former, it becomes conscious of the [?] world thru him, & in him is sensible of it. 982 6434 Were he to use the word spirit instead of Soul that conclusion would be in some part right 135 Prop. 15 When the Soul is in this exalted state it certainly exists in time, because it cannot do otherwise than think in succession; all finite spirits are in this situation so that they only reflect upon and form an idea of one thing at a time, but they do not live in space 983 6435 When the spirit is disembodied it has instinct instead of reason, it does not therefore think of one thing at a time, it acts upon all that it has the intention of doing Prop 16 Space is merely the operation of the material organs of sense, out of them it has no existence, therefore as soon as the soul forsakes the latter, all proximity and distance ceases - Hence, if it stand in rapport with a person who is many thousand miles distant from it, it can impart knowledge by an inward Communication, and receive it from such an one, and all this as rapidly as thoughts follow each other. 984 6436 distance in space is the same apart from the Human mind, as it is beheld by man The spirit when disembodied travels that space by Electricity, but the space thro' that does not become less. Hence 985 6437 It cannot do so, that it can travel to that person & commun'te with them is true, but no information can be given & received by the spirits of two persons disembodied 136 [*F H*] Am I right in supposing [a] calling my ideas & thoughts when once formed. "Things" 986 6438 You are. Prop 17 This operation of one human being upon another would occasion dreadful confusion in the present state of existence, if the doors of this mystery were to be unfolded, But the most Merciful has rendered this not easily possible, the continued increase of knowledge in every department, joined with an increasing falling away from Christ, and his most Holy Religion, will however eventually occasion these barriers to be burst & the most Holy of Holies to be plundered, but then the measure of iniquity will be full - Woe unto him that publishes to the World things so sacred. 987 6439 He is wrong again there By acknowledging those things sacred, he separates them from all spiritual knowledge that is Evil, and in the beginning and Earlier periods the knowledge of good & sacred supernatural things was much greater than at present It will not continue to increase and therefore it is the duty of those who receive it and believe it to be good, to communicate it to others whom it might benefit. Prop. 18 When the Soul is departed from the body, it is wherever [he] [it] it thinks to be; for us space is only its mode of thinking, but does not exist except in its idea it is always in the place which it represents to itself if In this proposition Jung. no doubt had in view the remarkable relation of the "Soliline" at Philadelphia [?] 144.74.5.4 of the Theny [?]. 137 if it may be there 988 6440 He not only allows soul to be separated from the Body, but he makes soul and thought one, He gives the Soul the Human faculties. Prop. 19. Time being also in fact, a mere mode of thinking and not existing in reality, the departed soul may be susceptible of [?] things, but only in so far, as the Laws of the Spiritual World permit 989 6441 (No Answer) Prop. 20 By magnetism, nervous disorders, long cont'd efforts of the soul & by other secret means, a person who has a natural predisposition for it. may in the present life, detach his soul in a greater or less degree furnish corporeal organization, and in proportion as this takes place, it comes into contact (rapport) with the world of Spirits I call that by which it becomes susceptible of the objects of the latter, its faculty or organ of presentiment and its detachment from the most refined part of the nervous system, its development. 990 6442 Substituting the word spirit for soul A man cannot detach his own spirit from his body, the spirit may be sent away by Animal Magnetism, or it may leave of its own accord as it sometimes does in sleep, but whilst that man is trying himself to send it away, all his faculties must be alive. He must be exerting these 138 faculties to do that which it is most necessary he should not do to disembody his spirit. I ret'd thanks, may Dr. Frans ask some questions 991 6443 Yes [*?F*] Is any punishment attached to errors of belief when every effort has been used to arrive at truth. 992 6444 No there is not, because if efforts are made to obtain correct views of religion and they are unsuccessful in making the mind disbelieve what it first put faith in, that first reliance is right and may be depended upon because if a man is educated in one religion & believe in it by compulsion, when he finds another more congenial to his feelings he immediately believes in it. [*?F*] Will the C. A please to say 993 6445 They are those feeling which cannot be removed by argument or example. [*?F*] Is not the Doctrine that one man should do unto [?] as he would be done by - the essence of Christianity. 994 6446 It is right and necessary that he should [not] do so, but it is not one of the essential points of Christianity that he should do so. Christianity without that would not be perfect, but it would exist. [*?F*] But Jesus said Mark 12 v 31 "Man shalt love thy neighbor as thyself there is none other commandment greater than these. 139 995 6447 But that commandment is not so essential to man's salvation as the one "Thou shalt have no other God." But Jesus again says John 13 v 35. "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." Is not that a proof that universal Brotherhood is the distinctive mark of Christianity 996 6448 It is not so, because these have been men who did not even believe in the existance of a God much less in Christ, and they have had so much love for their fellow [men] creatures that they have worked thro' a long life only for their good without hope of reward. Has Man any right to interfere with his fellow men upon Theological matters 997 6449 He has, he can introduce his own belief and views, to another & often with much benefit. But any thing whatever justify the burnings racking & torturing inflicted by Priests upon "unbelievers" 998 6450 Nothing can justify that, For when a doctrine has been held out & persevered in and it makes no impression upon [*person*] a party it should be withdrawn. I ret Thanks 999 6451 I wish if it is his pleasure that your friend should appoint another Evening for an Interview with me Dr Travis will be with me on next Tuesday Week. "I have received this from S H. R. "answer it by a very short letter declining to comply with his request. [?] to here [?] does that fuel your wishes [?] " It has done so fully 140 As Dr T. wishes now to return to London. will it be agreeable for you to continue last Tuesdays vision at 1/2 past 10 this evening - or on next Tuesday Evening 6452 Next Tuesday Evening The CA's gone. 20' to 10 PM. ♂︎25 Sept. 1854 C A Mirror 715 PM. Invoked the C. A. I have written to Mr R Owen with your kind responses & also expresed my hope that they might induce him to reinvestigate the all important subject, the Truths of Christianity & its Consequent scheme of Redempting does that meet your wishes 1000 "It has done so fully" I have also received on the 20th a letter from Earl Stanhope whose manifold engagements have prevented him [from] writing to me before. he has promised after his return from Germany in about a month to visit Croydon & Show me a Psychograph which will give [Answers?] to questions 1001 6453 I am glad that he has written to You I have received this from . shall I comply with his request. 1002 6454 You must not, Some means must be found to prevent your being troubled with so many. I have written this letter to the Authors of the Pamphlet. on [?nomial] Philosophy, does it meet y'r approval or in what shall I alter it 1003 6455 I approve of it entirely as it is 141 Is it agreeable to continue my queries from [?] [64]56 1004 Yes. Prop. 21 It is a divine & irreversible law that mankind in the present state should be guided with respect to temporal and sensible things, by just and rational influences, the result of a sound understanding; but with respect to those things which in an above sense by the word of God, & in both together by divine Providence [64]57 1005 In that he is perfectly right Prop. 22 For as time & space can only modes of thinking suited to the present state, but by which he can are unable to comprehend original existences as they really are, it is impossible that rational inferences though mathematically just can serve to guide us into the truths of the Invisible World when their premises are founded on modes of thinking adapted to the Visible World - Hence [anse?] nothing but horrid contradictions & pernicious errors; and this is just the Case with the rationalism of the present day, in reference to Spiritual things. [64]58 1006 The latter part of that observation is right. Prop'n. 23. ----- If it be therefore a divine law that mankind in the present state should be guided in temporal things by reason, and in those which are spiritual & divine solely by the Holy Scriptures, and in both by providence, and if we ought not to know any thing of the future except what God of his free favor reveals to us, without our own endeavors, it is undeniably a heinous sin, when any one seeks to develope the faculty of Presentiment in order to learn things [f?] or remote 142 or by connexion with the Spiritual World to become acquainted with hidden Mysteries. 1007 6459 It is wrong to use means for developing any mysterious powers that are forbidden by the laws of God, but there are means of [knowing things &] foretelling things & knowing things belonging to other worlds consistent with the Holy bible There is no evil in developing these to the extent of all power on earth. Prop. 24 When a person obtains a developed organ of Presentiment, entirely without his own wishing or seeking it, either through illness or other not sinful Cause he is in a dangerous state; for it is amazingly difficult and requires a high degree of divine light to avoid the abuse of a thing so extremely attractive. 1008 6460 [I cannot understand why he calls a gift] When a person has that gift, & try's to develop it for good purposes, there is not much danger of his going astray - It is attractive but it is so peculiar that no very bad, influence could work by it 24, Prop. 25. When a [?] enlightened falls into this state, he attaches no [?alice] to it, on the contrary he humbles himself before his God, & fervently implores Wisdom & protection against the abuse of it -- if he then comes into situations where he thinks he may be of some service, he employs this disease of the soul for that purpose in the fear of God -- 1009 6461 I cannot understand why he calls 143 6462 I cannot understand why he calls a gift which is given to but a few, and to them for reasons which are known to no one - a disease of the soul in that of course he is wrong. That a person should guard against any evil attending that power of course is right, but it is not necessary for them always to be in a state of anxiety concerning it, for the Being that gives that power directs & controls the use of it. When you have done as much as is in your power for preventing evil, Spirits from taking any hold upon you You have done sufficient. Prop 26 When an unconverted worldly-minded man developes his faculty of presentiment, he falls into danger of idolat[o]ry & Sorcery Preachers and physicians ought therefore to instruct the ignorant upon this important point. 1010 6463 Where they to do so it would be making too Public a thing which at best was intended only for a few., and w[h]ere they to preach about it at all, it would be to exhort people not to use that power - whereas that very power itself might be intended for their spiritual welfare & souls good Prop. 27. There is also another weighty reason why the development of the faculty of presentiment is dangerous. for by it spirits have opportunity of influencing the individual. presenting all kinds of images to his mind. and insinuating thoughts into it. now as the whole atmosphere 144 phere is full of evil spirits and only [such?] as are partially good. The former being on the elert to deceive men, under the guise of angels of light, and the latter in error themselves: and as the soul, whilst in its fleshly prison has not the gift of [?] the spirits, the man may be dreadfully misled, and here is the very source of much fanaticism heresy, and of many abominable errors 1011 There are many evil spirits in the atmosphere 6464 and upon the earth, but they cannot take the form or appear in the disguise of an Angel of light If Man has the power of Second Sight he has also the power of discerning betwixt Good and Evil spirits - If knowingly he seeks the Evil Spirits instead of the good he deserves the Errors they may lead him into. Prop. 28 Real presentiments, that is, when Providence causes a man to be warned of some impending misfortune by the ministry of angels, ought to be well distinguished from a developed organ organ of presentiment, the former has always some suitable object in view, the latter generally none at all.. 1012 Special providences or the forewarning by 6465 Angels is only needed by those who have not the power of knowing it by a general intercourse with Spirits, had all men intercourse with Spirits, no Special providences would be necessary Prop. 29 145 The case is the same with the gift of prophecy. which must also be clearly distinguished from a developed faculty of present- iment. The former has always some sublime end in view for the good of mankind. whilst the latter often prognos- ticates funerals and things of no importance. 1013 6466 He puts the same thing under two different heads the same power that would give a person presentiment of things, would allow them to Prophecy. The boundless ether that fills the space of our solar system is the element of spirits in which they live and move. the atmosphere that surrounds our earth down to its centre and particularly the night is the abode of fallen angels and of such human souls as die in an unconverted state. the Bible calls the whole of this state Scheol and Hades. that is the receptacle of the dead,, 1014 6467 The space that surrounds the World is divided, one part is the atmosphere the other Hades The atmosphere is inhabited by spirits the Counterparts of Mans - and Hades is the Receptacle for Souls in their 2nd State. Prop 31 Previous to the dawning of the Lords Kingdom, the [?] shall be [?] from all evil spirits and they shall be cast into the Mighty Abyss, which is in the Centre of the Earth 1015 6468 In that he is entirely wrong, from it he would lead a person to believe that the place of punishment & the abode of Evil Spirits is in the Earth -- It is not so the place of punishment is beneath the Earth & separated from it by Water 146 6469 during the Millenium all those evil spirits in the atmosphere will be imprisoned in their own place but after that time they will be the same as at present - when the end of all things comes they will be finally destroyed, but at that time they will pervade all space Are there any spirits who inhabit what we term the bowels of the Earth 1016 6470 There are but they are entirely Evil. [?] particularly mentions Night (or rather that portion of the Earth which is in shadow) is darkness, as the receptacle of evil spirits - Are evil spirits nearer man in darkness than in light 1017 6471 Evil spirits keep a closer proximity to man during darkness than light therefore the atmosphere around them is more full. But our Earth is a sphere like an orange, not circular & flat like a table. - how then can the abode of Evil Spirits be permanently under the Earth 1018 6472 The Earth is round & beneath it is the same space as above, but under that space is a body larger than the earth & fixed & that is surrounded by water Or I should make you understand better by saying Vapor But the Earth being circular not only rotates on its own axis every 24 hours, but also passes in its orbit round Sun miles at the rate of a day - how does this fixed body then remain always under the Earth. 1019 6473 The body of Earth is stationary & is only beneath the earth once in the [?] of a Year Prop 32 When a man dies, the soul gradually diverts itself of the body. and awakes in Hades. it is no longer conscious of the visible world: the world of spirits to it appears as an interminable glimmering space in which it can move it- self with the rapidity of thought: and as its organ of presenti- ment is now fully developed, it likewise sees the spirits that are in Hades 1020 I have given you an explanation of what takes 6494 Place after [?] death before. May I not at what period of the year that happens body is under the Earth 1024 At Now on the 12 Nov. The Earth is 6475 immediately above it. [?] 33. Souls and spirits communicate there thoughts to each other through the medium of the will: when one soul wishes another to know any particular thing, the latter immediately knows it: the one reads it in the interior of the other. even as the somnambulist reads it in the soul of him. with whom he stands in rapport.. 1022 When Spirits have Communication with each other 6476 they do so by signs, [?] the Signs of the other immediately percieves them. He is [?] inleading a p[?]um wheliere that a [?]enm in The Magnetic Sleep is [?] Communism with Anothers Soul. Prop. 34 "Where your treasure is there your heart is also" souls that are not yet dead to the world. remain below. in the regions of darkness: and if they have served fleshly lusts. their abode is with their bodies in the grave,, - 1023 It is not so 6477 because no person ever yet left the earth m'so p[?]e a state that he could bare sinhot one though I regret the things that he left behind it is impossible that they could do so, the less regret they have at learning it, the less their thoughts are fixed on worldly things the [?] capacity they have Consciousness of it in the atmosphere to [?], but [?] [?] that the d[?]med [?] p[?] further then their own then g[?] Peop 35 The souls of all such. as have only led a decent civil life. and who though not vicious. are still no true christians must undergo a long purification, in the waste and desert Hades. by enduring the deprivation of all that is dear to them, and of every enjoyment, whilst longing, most painfully, after that earthly life which has for ever fled: and thus be gradually prepared for the lowest degree of bliss ,, - 1024 He is very Moderate in his Views of happiness 1478 for Even those that are good-- He does not Seem to hear it in [?]id that for the Udemplim F[?] him happenings of the rem host of the the Savoir died upon the Cross. Neuh. 36 The souls of the wicked on departing from the body are surrounded by evil spirits. that torment them in various ways, the more wicked they have been the deeper they sink in the bottomless pit. their sufferings are dreadfull ,, - 1025 I have before told you on what those suffering's 6579 Consist. Prop. 37 The souls of true christians, that have trodden the path of sanctification and who escheped in the exercise of true faith in Jesus Christ, in the grace of his atonement, and in complete renunciation of everything earthly, are recieved immediately on awakening from the sleep of death, by angels and without delay conducted upwards to the pure regions of Sight, where they enjoy the fulness of bliss ,, - 1026 He is right- it is not there that [?] tried in that Sththe-but there that have died in it of the Same with Children. Prop 38. Departed souls have a creative power, which [?] the present state. and in this rude and material world, can only be exercised with trouble and escpense. and in a very imperfect manner: but after death the will of the soul is really able to produce that, which the imagination concieves,, 1027 The Soul is not able to do this- while the 6481 Spirit retains any Knowledge of earthly things he is able to cause the appearances Prop. 39 Those souls which are not yet dead to the world, and whose imagination is still occupied with the favourite ideas of their former life. seek to realize those ideas: but after all they are mere atmospheric forms. which are unable to afford any enjoyment: the soul is also as little capable of enjoying. it has no longer any of the organs of sense, hence the notorious haunting of old buildings. where these wretched spirits seek to renew their former revels,, - 1028 He is nearly right in that I have obsessed throughout that n gaming his Opinions he takes each a hard view of the Sins of man, and also of the Many of goodness of God. - That he gave three opinions Conaention by and followed them himself as much as he was able I have no doubt - but m almost all he is maternally loving Prop. 40 There is no foundation in the nature and laws of the spiritual world for the doctrine of transmigration a soul may pass centuries in Hades before it advances any further, but it never returns into a human body the spiritual world has sufficient means of purification there is no needs there of a return to a life of sense,, 1029 The Soul does not stay in [?] in Hades 6483 [?] improving, it is improving all the time it is there, it most be bad indeed to Stay there for a 100 Years He is right I presume in his proposition that a Soul never returns into a human body. 1030 No [?] is not Perfectly right, there have been 6484 Cases where the human Soul has actually left the body [?] it again - generally he is right. 151 Prop. 41. When the soul departs out of this life with an unsatisfied desire, it experiences painful sufferings. although it might be otherwise capable of heavenly felicity. to be delivered from these sufferings, it often longs for some one still alive. who may fulil its desires, and employs the means. which are known to it to gain its end: hence the apparition of spirits ,, 6485 1031 It is so in the first state In writing to Mr Owen I meant that I would ask you to give me some questions or other interoggatories which Mr Owen might propound to his spirit [?] visitors to test whether they were good or evil -- 6486 1032 I will give you that answer on another evening 9 PM. The C A is going 9.15. To see the vision as promised Instead of the vision, immediately [?] an [?] Mr Dresser's Atmosphere Spirit appeared dressed as usual in black he stood gasing thru his spectacles at us but would not speak. & I could not by any means get rid of him. presently there appeared 6487 1033 "discharge the mirror" I discharged the mirror -- he left but directly I charged the mirror for the vision he appeared, upon my req [?] hour to proceed thus appeased 6488 1034 If the mirror is charged I cannot prevent Mr. Duper appearing at 10 PM. he was still there & I discharged the mirror 152 ♂︎die 3rd October 1854. The C A Mirror 7.15. PM. Invoked the C A. I am favored this evening by the Company of Mr Owen & Dr [Traves?] - Mr Owen requests me to thank you for your kind responses to his former questions & requests the favor of your answering the following further queries 1035 [64]89 I will answer them & thank him for coming We were sadly annoyed last Tuesday Evening by Mr. Dressers Atm'c spirit appearing & thereby preventing our promised vision from appearing 1036 6490 In a short time I shall be able to prevent his appearing. Mr Owens Questions 1st In reply to the question so often asked "What is truth" is it correct to reply that "Truth is always consistent with itself and in accordance with all known facts & all which may become known" 1037 6491 It is - but there are great truths that will still remain unknown to Man. 2nd Is not belief involuntary ? and is not every human being compelled to believe according to the strongest conviction made on the mind ? 1038 6492 Yes when a person is convinced of a thing he can no longer disbelieve it 3rd Is not love & hate an involuntary feeling ? are not human beings compelled to love that which is made to 153 to be very pleasant to their feelings & to hate that which is made to be very distasteful to their feelings? 1039 6493 No it is not Love arises from things which appears perfect. Hatred from deformities [GM.?] No it is caused by Circumstances & actions 4th. Can there be merit or demerit rationally attributed to individuals for their conscientious convictions? or for their loving or hating persons or things? 1040 6494 A person should not dwell upon or nourish hatred for any worldly things -- for their convictions they cannot be answerable 5th. Cannot any child be easily trained to believe any religion or any absurdity which its teachers may say is divine truth. and must never be doubted without risk of Eternal torments? 1041 6495 He cannot because as he mingles with the world he must become convinced of other doctrines, and besides this there is an inherent quality in Mans Nature which teaches him by his [nature] reason to disbelieve in things monstrous & absurd. If that is so, how is it that so many persons retain Even to their dieng day their monstrous beliefs [in] impressed upon them by their Priests - of [?] Virgins -- [bleeding?] [?] as Crucifixes & the Legends of Saints. 1042 6496 They believe in Miracles and that belief is not monstrous or absurd 154 6th Cannot any infant be trained to Love goodness Wisdom union with his fellows over the World & to have pure Charity & Sincere Love for every one of them. 1043 It is not in mans nature to do this, good training may make him better than his fellows but no soul of government or education can 6497 make him perfect as he must be if loving kindness & mercy were thoroly practiced by him. 7th Cannot every one be trained educated & have their character so formed from Birth that they shall have the greatest pleasure through life in entirely contributing to the happiness of their fellow men & to Gods creation to the utmost of their power. ? 1044 Yes that may be their great object thru 6498 life. 8th Cannot new and universal conditions be now derived & executed to compel every child from birth that shall be borne remain within those conditions to become good wise [united?] to his fellows & happy thru life. 1045 It could be done in a great measure but 6499 there would be great difficulty in keeping all to that system of Education 9th. Is not the time arrived in the due order of Gods creative process to introduce these conditions into practice over the Earth. 1046 It would be well now to begin any System of 6500 Education that might lead to enlighten Man & make his afterlife wiser happier 155 and better - the time has arrived and I trust in God no opportunity will be lost 10th. Is not the true and natural mode of forming the human Character from birth by sensible signs as by seeing the [signs] things to be taught and by familiar conversation between the instructor & instructed 1047 6501 I should recommend that while the character of a Child is being formed, that it should be secluded with other children & but few other persons and those persons agreeing in their religion[s] and their views of all material subjects, that his mind should not be overchanged but gently & pleasantly instilled with things that it could understand according to its age that that training should continue until the Childs mind is so far matured as to distinguish alone the good from the bad in nature. Then he can be sent forth into the world thoroly knowing that he has a View of his own. on all important subjects, then if by Argument is intercourse with different people he becomes convinced & believes in things different from those he was educated to believe, that conviction & belief is the right one. 11. Is there any obstacle to formidable against the progress of mankind in goodness Wisdom Unity & 156 & happiness as the existing superstitions over the earth called Religion? 1048 6502 Without Religion no education could make a man wise & good, because he could not have even a true knowledge of Nature unless he believed in Natures God. I cannot call any religion a Superstition as every Sect of Religion has true believers & sincere Christians does your last remark apply to those good men whether Musselmen Hindoos Brahmins or Buddhists who convinced of the Truth[s] of their respective creeds live piously & are of good moral Character. 1409 6503 Those men I call Christians because thro the death of Christ they will be Saved everlastingly. 12th. passed 13. Does not true and undefiled religion consist in a never ceasing desire & action to promote the happiness of man and of all created life to the extent of the knowledge & power given to the individual by the Creator. 1050 6504 That is a part of true religion but not the Vital part. May I not ask what is the Vital part. 1051, 6505 A belief in the Almighty power of God and in the death of his Son. Are the powers of God unlimited 1052 6506 He is Almighty 157 14th. Does not the happiness of man & of all created life depend upon the goodness, wisdom & power of God. 1053 6307 "and mercy of God" What is the Criterion, to us mortals, of Good & Evil that they may be known as such. 1054 6508 It may be so distinguished but the greatest goodness & the Worst Evil does not consist in that. May I ask in what it does consist 1055 6509 The greatest good consists in saving by the direction of Gods Word & under the blessings of a Special providence the soul or souls of your fellow men as well as your own. The Greatest Evil is blaspheming the Holy Ghost & willingly & knowingly directing others to misery & Torture. If Mr Owen takes hold of my Seers hand will it be agreeable to you to favor him with such inf'n or advice as you may deem fitting 1056 6510 Since I told you I had something to say Personally to Mr Owen, he has become enlightened on those points which I wished to explain. Any question on those points he may wish to ask I will answer but I look on Mr Owen as one greater than many of his Fellow Mortals -- as one destined by Almighty God to atchieve a great 158 end - I look upon him as a sincere Christian altho not a believer in the Cross He will meet his Reward. The Doctrine of Rewards Mr Owen says is opposed entirely to his views = man not being entitled to a reward for doing his duty to his fellow men. 1057 6571 But if he believes in a life hereafter he must hope for happiness, and having that would be a reward for his goodness here while on Earth. As Mr Owen is desirous of returning to London he begs [?] Dr Travis that you will accept their best thanks the C. A.'s going 1/4 to 9. PM. ♂︎die. 10 Oct. 1854. C. A Mirror Invoked the C A. 7h 15 PM. The C A is here as usual. May I combine this Ev'g my queries from J. H. [Ewing?]. 1058 6572 Yes. Prop. 42 Every one ought therefore to divest himself betimes - and the sooner the better, of all atachment to earthly things: and should any thing occur to him in his departing, that ought still to be done or arranged. and which it is no longer possible to do, let him commit the affair to Him, who can make good every thing, and continue in this confidence even after death for his return and reappearing is contrary to the divine order There may, however, be exceptions to this rule : and it is an 159 indispensable duty for those to whom a spirit appears, to treat and inform it better. with seriousness and charity 1059 6573 That is quite true Prop 43. We can learn nothing from spirits that are still in Hades. for they know nothing more than we do. except that they are further into futurity : but this we ought not to know. besides this they may err, and woefully deceive we ought therefore by all means. seek to avoid intercourse with them spirits in a state of perfect bliss, or such as are really damned, never appear" 1060 6574 Instances have occurred on which the Highest Spirits have appeared to Man but it is not generally the case. Prop 44 Every man has one or more guardian spirits about him: these are good angels, and perhaps also the departed souls of good men, children are attended solely by good spirits: but as the individual gradually inclines to evil, evil spirits approach him, the good however do not forsake him on this account, until they see that he is burdened in sin, and become entirely reprobate: they then depart from him, and leave him to his awful fate." 1061 6375 He speaks of Evil as an inherent quality to which Evil spirits are attached. Whereas it is the Evil Spirit taking possession of the Man that causes his fall Have not good spirits the power to prevent Evil Spirits thus possessing man 160 1062 6576 I n most cases they have. The souls of deceased mortals are never the guardians of man. Prop 45 As the individual turns from evil to good the good spirits draw near him with great delight: and the more he increases in faith and satisfaction, the mor active and benefical do they become. good spirits have power over evil spirits: but the will of man is free: if it incline to evil the good cannot help him, we ought not to seek intercourse with guardian spirits, for we are no where refered to them" 1063 6517 However Evil a man may be it does not hinder the good spirit from trying to prevent it. He is always fighting with the Evil Spirit for the possession of mans soul. It depends upon that mans actions which shall gain. Will you favor me with your view of the latter part of the Theorem. "We ought not to seek intercourse with Guardian Spirits for we are nowhere refered to them. 1064 6378 He is there quite wrong. No reference is made to it in scripture because it is not necessary. In the first place there are so few people who can hold communion with their guardian spirits. In the 2d it is not essentially necessary for the souls salvation 161 But there is nothing in Scripture --- a Mans - (privilege?) is speaks against it There are passages where death is decreed to those who consult Wizards or have familiar spirits - but they allude only I presume to Evil Spirits & evil purposes 1065 [65]19 They do. Prop 46 The sleep of the soul, or that state in which the soul is supposed to rest in unconsciousness and inactivity from death till the resurrection at the last day, has no foundation in scripture, but merely in the erroneous idea, that that that the soul necessarily requires its body in order to act, but as magnetic experiments, and the apparitions of spirits incontestibly prove the contrary, the sleep of the soul is an error and entirely out of the question. 1866 [63]21 He is perfectly Correct. Prop. 47 It is an evident and manifest truth that the soul when delivered from the body, acts more powerfully and freely, and that its powers are much superio[u]r than whilst imprisoned in the body. Why then has the Creator exiled it into this limited and lamentable state. 1067 6321 It is not a limited state, and it is necessary that it should pass thro there for its purification. The soul has not any great Power until it has passed through there. The answer is easy, becuase it has fallen from that perfect state, in which it was created: in paradise man stood 162 connected with both the spiritual and the material world. and was sensible of objects in both. he ate of the fruit of the tree of life in the spiritual world, and ought to have avoided the tree of temptation in the visible world. but he sought to unite them both together. If eternal love had not ejected him from paradise, and excluded him from connexion with the world of spirits; he would have become a devil. excuse this mystic interpretation: it detracts nothing from the truth of the relation,, Will you favor me with your view of this heaven so mystically given - Not receiving any answer I asked if I should repeat it 1068 6522 You sometimes repeat the questions & at other times pass on. I wish you to follow one method. You can do which is most convenient ask a question or repeat it. Should I not be able to answer it I will say so. I again read the 48 Prop'n. 1069 6523 What man would have been had [?] exten't the [?] of death is nothing What man was to be was determined by his Maker, had he not followed that course all creation would have been wrong Man was the great Creation & Every thing else was created for his use or pleasure. Prop. 49. The soul is in a state of restraint in its clothing of skins. its cumbersome body. which it must sustain with much trouble. and because of which it has much to 163 suffer, instead of being able to satisfy its hunger after knowledge and happiness. the organization of its body deceives it with imperfect ideas, and transitory enjoyments which only makes its hunger the more insatiable,, 1070 6525 He takes an extremely wrong view of the soul throughout. whilst the soul is in the human body. it is part of it. This the reason, the knowledge, the intellect the will - and every invisible faculty that is possessed by man. While confined in the body it has no harmful longing any more than any Christian would possess of being in a better state. It is happy in the body because it has no knowledge of another state, it is guided by belief. He is wrong in believing that the soul and body have different beings different knowledge, and are always at war with each other, as they must be if the body loves the earth and clings to it. and the soul is wretched because not in a better position [?]. 50 Here the door to thee great mystery of redemption by Christ is unfolded. the soul would not have been saved even in this state. it might have been less injured in the world of spirits; but this did not satisfy eternal love. which destines it to be redeemed and blest. and 164 made more happy than it would have been had it never fallen: if it will now but follow and be obedient to the counsel of God. 1071 6525 He puts that opinion in so peculiar a shape that it is difficult to answer. Without imagining what man would have been he should remember what he is He is right in his opinion that man is happier thro the redemption of Christ than he would have been if he had not fallen, if he had not fallen, there would have been no redemption & no need for eternal life. Prop 51. The Logos, the word of God, by whom the eternal, hidden, and almighty One manifested himself in an endless numerical progression and succession that is in [time?] became man: and by his sufferings, death and resurrection, made his flesh and blood a leaven by which, every soul that feeds upon it in true faith is renovated, and after being delivered from its earthly prison, is translated into the regained heavenly element, until after the resurrection, it puts on its original glory, and is placed in a paradise, in comparison with which the first was a mere shadow - 1072 6326 I agree with him in that He is right in his belief, that man is saved by the Redemption. Every one who believes in the Cross is saved. But others are saved without it Whatever Doctrine his opinion may seem to favor it is perfectly right. 165 Prop 52 From all that has been said, it is clear that Materialism, with its metaphysical illumination, is a mere, but very dangerous creature of the brain, a boundless and bottomless deception, superior illumination in the sciences and in the knowledge of nature, in so far as it allevates our earthly [thraldom?] and has influence upon our progress to perfection is laudable and useful, but with respect to that which is supernatural, and concerns our return to our eternal home, we require the superiour revealed light of the Word of God, and the enlightening of the Holy Spirit, furnished with this enlightened reason, that lunar orb in the darkness of this life may then point out the right path" 1073 6527 His sentiment is right, but not given properly. Magical Science should not be used through which any knowledge not natural can be gained, unless it is based upon Truth and goodness, & is consistent with the Word of God. Prop 53 Real bliss comences first at the resurrection when the glorified body, fashioned after the likeness of Christ, shall be again united to the soul, and the complete man will then be organized, both for the glorified visible world and also for the world of spirit" 1074 6628 It is so The soul for the first time after being disembodied upon earth, will take a material shape - It will have the appearance of the human body with all grossness all deformity removed. 166 It will be spiritual, Angelical, light even as air, swift as thought, transparent and yet have a human form. The form of its Creator, and nothing can be more lovely than that Angels imagine or rather know that to be perfection, and man has always the blessing of this. Prop 54 Paridise is that part of Hades, which is appointed for the preparation of souls in a state of grace, it forms part of the third heaven (2 Cor xii.2-4) Now Christ said to the thief. "To day shall thou be with me in paradise" (Luke XXiii.43.) but Christ was in Hades, between his death and resurrection (1 Peter. iii.19.) and according to John (xx.17.) he had not ascended to his Father, immediately after his resurrection, he had therefore been in Hades, in paradise, where the vision of God is wanting" 1075 6527 Christ was in Hades after his resurrection preaching to souls then in a state of purification, but it is not a Paradise Prop 55 Real damnation commences first at the resurrection: the resurrection germ of the body of sin will then be united with the soul, and the whole man be banished into the bottomless pit, with all the evil spirits, the centre of which is the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone, and which is in the centre of the body of the earth, the Lord, the merciful, 167 who is everlasting love, preserve every reader of this book from this dreadful fate! Amen" 1076 6530 There again he shows how cruelly limited mans views & mercy is one towards another. You know from my former answers that Eternal damnation does not exist. There's very terrible punishment more terrible than a human being can conceive but it is not everlasting, but fire and brimstone is not part of that punishment Fire is not a Spiritual body and brimstone is very earthy. Then how can that exist where things are purely Spiritual I ret'd Thanks 1/2 past 8 PM. Can you favor me with any means of testing either by questions or otherwise, whether the spirits who rapp or write or make other spiritual manifestations are good or evil , so that Evil spirits may be prevented from leading so many persons astray who have solely the desire to attain Truth. 1077 6531 The ways of the Evil spirits are so numerous & their powers so great that no means can be formed of stopping them by Tests or questions - if one place is shut they find another opened perhaps larger & more convenient - You as a man can do more under my guidance than I can spiritually 168 Will you write a work to the Society, denounsing their spirits as Evil, give the passages from your minutes and quote the Answers you have received in support of the doctrine of Truth. however short it may be, let it be earnest. straight forward & something that will compel them to answer Select any thing that I have given you and use it in the way that you think best, when they have once been roused to attention I will deal with them. I explained. 1078 6532 do so and guided by truth reason justice & mercy on a Christian Errand you cannot do wrong Rewards are not of Earth. And remember that the intentions as well as the actions are indelibly written in the book of life - If the purpose [remain] should fail the intention remains unsullied. I ret'd thanks. & ment'd that I had no further queries at present. Requested the Vision to be Continued 1079 6533 Any questions you may ask however slight are received by me with the same attention as those of an old author., Questions that arise spontaneously to the mind are agreeable to me Mr Dresser continuing to annoy you must arise from some bodily action or 169 on his part, I have been in Communion with his atmospheric spirit and I find that he is very closely united to the body I explained by acquaintance with that Gentleman & my Assurance that he would not knowingly do any thing to annoy me. 1080 6534 You did not understand me I did not mean that, by saying that he was bodily opposed to you, I meant in his Religions Views. Will you endeavor to prevent his appearing 1081 6535 it shall be done The C A left. 9 PM 1082 6536 To See the vision "do not call it now or Mr Dresser will appear" We ceased action ♂︎ 17 Oct. 1854 C. A Mirror Invoked the C A. In any letter which I propose writing to the Harmonial Society It has occurred to me that if as they profess themselves to be they are actuated by a love of Truth alone, they must necessarily wish to test [the] whether their Spiritual Visitors are good or evil & therefore I intend after, advising them upon commencing their Circle just to pray to God to prevent any Evil Spirits intruding, & then when the rappings commence to exorcise the spirits rapping 170 rapping 3 times 1083 6537 do so it will be the surest way of testing them I have also thought it desirable - that some magical Circle Triangle or Pentacle - should be drawn upon the Table within which none but good & helpful spirits could rap, can you give me the form of such Circle or pentacle 1084 6538 That would be of no use Evil Spirits are so deep that the rappists not being visible would as easily rap on the outside as in the middle & the distinction of sound would not be heard. There is a tradition long handed down amongst Cabalists & others, that Spirits cannot address a mortal first = is that the case 1085 6539 it is not. I have no remembrance of any Spirit addressing us first either in our Crystals, mirrors or Vessels of Water 1084 6540 I will do so any Evening May I ask you to do so next Tuesday Evening 1087 6541 I will do so May I ask how it is that when Emma's At. Spirit used to appear she gave us answers far excelling any ability of hers to do in her natural state. whilst my own At Spirit & those of some others when they appear do not seem to possess even as much knowledge as we do in the body - 1088 6542 no answer (asked twice) Is the faculty or power of seeing in Crystals, to be attributed to any peculiar feature or organization of the brain or 171 a peculiar spiritual faculty 1089 6543 It is purely a spiritual cause. In giving me the name "Mohamed Ali" as that of a Spirit who could explain the [Egr] Assyrian Antiquities you in some measure, render the truthfulness or rather accuracy of our responses, suspected, that name being a very common one among mortals who are believers in the Koran - may I ask by what Law or rule spirits obtain their names. 1090 6544 He bears it as a name which the spirits who summon him may know him by other more common names than that fill the Spirit World John, Samuel, Augustus, Evans, are amongst the most common. John & Samuel are Hebrew names, Augustus an anc't Latin one, Evans a Welsh name were the Spirits who bear those names ever embodied here on earth 1091 6545 The spirits who take those names never were embodied in some cases they take the names of those who Guardians they are, in others it is not so they take the name to distinguish them from others. it has a spiritual meaning which is known by Spirits alone. Are there spirits who could & would appear able to translate a Latin work I might possess say Ode's learned work on angels their names & offices. 1092 6546 no answer (twice) 172 Mr Cox a gentleman of my Acquaintance was once engaged with a friend inspecting the Crystal - when a very large book appeared - it was open & the Seer read it, it was so voluminous that it took the Evenings of several weeks to copy, can you tell me what work or book it was 1093 6547 I cannot, neither can I tell what Spirit showed it - to me it seems impossible that it could be so. Some time ago - when you were favoring us with an appearance in the Crystal - you had a roll or scroll in your hand, which appeared partly within & partly occupied by drawings - Emma could not decipher it & it fell out of your hand remained at the bottom of the Crystal. May I ask to see it again 1094 6548 It was to illustrate something that I said which you could not understand Can Spirits appear in different Crystals, ie can the same Spirit, appear to two persons in two different Crystals. 1095 6549 They can Could you please to enquire the name of Robert Owen the philanthropists Guardian Spirit 1096 6550 I will do so Can you tell me the name of ELL's GS. 1097 6551 No answer. (twice) Will you tell me on another Evening 1098 6552 No answer Why will you not tell me the name 1099 6553 No answer. May we have the remainder of the Vision of which we have had two portions 173 6554 1100 You can have the continuation of it. Will you please to prevent Mr Dresser annoying us this Evening 1101 6555 I cannot prevent his appearing now I trust he will not appear but if he does I cannot prevent it, I shall be able to do so in a short time more effectively by myself Some time since I lent him my ES Crystal, had I not better obtain it from him & then drop his acquant.ce 1102 6556 Recall the Crystal as quickly as possible I did not before know that he had kept it so long but I can now understand there is a link by which you are joined: After the 1st Tuesday in Septr Mr Dresser shall not appear in either of your Crystals or mirror under any pretence whatever Before that time he shall be confined to the Evani Glass when he will insist upon Appearing. Do you mean Sept. 1855 Eleven months hence 6557 1103 I do But if we do not use the Evani Glass how are we to know when he appears so that I may discharge it 6558 1104 Unless they are invoked they remain discharged Then shall we refrain from using it during that time. 1105 6559 No but should you look into it he will have the power of appearing, he will not appear 174 there at all times, there is no reason for that stopping your visions in that glass I have now got some hazel Rods, shall my Seer hold them in her hand. 1106 6560 You cannot see more plainly & distinct than you do at present. I thank you we do see exceedingly well, but you said there was great Magical Virtue in Hazel Wood. 1107 6561 There is but it is in procuring Visions of a different Sort. May I solicit you to inform me to what sort of Visions you allude. 1108 6562 They give you the advantage of Seeing correctly visions in which you are able to detect a thief, of finding hidden Gold or where Valuable articles are Are those visions to be shown [on] in a Mirror like this or in a Vessel or basin of Water 1109 6563 Those Visions are so purely of a worldly nature that it is best they should not be mixed with spiritual ones I should therefore recomm.d a Vessel of Water. In what way should the hazel rods be used if the Vessel of Water is globular 1112 6564 The hazel Rod must be broken partly asunder so that one end may go into the water whilst the other end is held upright by the Seer. Will you give me the Call that is then used to cause the thief to appear 1113 6563 An earnest desire is more requisite than [are] a formal call 175 By what magical means are thieves compelled to return their spoil 6565 1114 They cannot return you the goods but show where you will be able to find them Should the hazel Rods be peeled or not. 6567 1115 It should be left in its natural State I intend making a book of magic to keep all my more Occult Arcana in - [Secret? Secretorum?]. 6568 1116 It will be much the best I shall then be able to say more than I otherwise should As to the Formula: 6569 1117 I do. I will give it you on a favorable opportunity I wish again with deference to make a remark. - There are many of my Friends whom I esteem much & who also in every other relation of life would put implicit Trust in me, but in these matters & studies, so opposed to their beliefs, created in them by materialist men of Science & all power grasping priests - they require a Visible or tangible proof a proof to them which wd. be coming thro their Corporal Senses, but which appears to me, the least of all proofs for a man whose preeminence over beasts is founded on his Reasoning Faculties - they would or ought to be satisfied by seeing any light material object say, a book or even sheet of paper moved at their request from one part of the room to another, by invisible means - and as Evil spirits can move Tables, nay lift them when several heavy men are sitting upon them to keep them down - I wished to to ask if good spirits actuated only by good motives 176 may not be able to afford the proof I mention without danger to the requester either physically or morally. 1118 6570 What mortal can discern where that answer really lies. I could give you material Evidence of these things that would convince even Mr Gilkes without their being absolutely Evil altho' they would be dangerous they would be perfectly convinced [altho they woul] and elated with their success but I should not for a moment feel justified in allowing any thing to take place however great good that may seem to do on which there rested the shadow of a doubt. Man is so truly ignorant of every thing that takes place beyond the Material World, however much Science may teach him to believe that he cannot comprehend the distinction between Good & Evil. I explained that I most wished a sheet of paper to be moved - not to convince myself as nothing of the kind however surprizing - could add to my belief - but only for a proof to a sceptic friend. 1119 6570 The same power that moved the apple to the mouth of Eve & caused the death of the human race, moves any substance or object upon Earth. No matter whether it be a house or a piece of paper, the power of making itself evident to the 177 6571 to the senses of a human being is entirely & unquestionably Evil Man could see a piece of paper lifted from a Table & believe it simple because the Act [in] itself is so, but how can he tell what Amount of Power is required to move that paper or when that power is allowed to be near enough to do so, what advantage it may take of it, whilst his mind is then ready to be convinced of any thing that may occur. If those with whom I commune cannot in their own mind believe I am what I state myself to be, they can at least receive the information I give them as tho it came from a mortal. Let them receive that information for its own Value not for him who gave it Let them give it consideration and I firmly trust and believe they will find it as consistent with their reason, as it is with the truth without doubt. Any one who can propose questions with courtesy & calmness I am ready to answer, but those are indeed wrong who could treat so serious a matter with frivolity & [trifling] lightness. Your kind response will materially aid me in my letter to the Harmonial Society & should only one person 178 turn from the errors of Spirit rapping teachers to the Path of Truth I shall be more than a 1000 times repaid 1120 6572 I am quite certain you will be repaid Then far more than that it will turn My Chief deficiency [rests] arising from my unfortunate belief during so many years, us upon the Scheme or doctrine of the Atonement may I solicit at a future sitting your views thereof. 1121 6573 I will give them you. [drawing of a pointing hand] I have to congratulate you on entering another year of your life, and to earnestly pray that each succeeding one may bring forth prosperity & happiness. Accept my sincere good will towards you and believe me as far as the power of a Spirit extends, and I have influence in the spiritual world it shall be exerted in your behalf both bodily & spiritually 25' to 10 PM To See the Continuation of the Vision 6574 Here is a white form no wings fairer than before, he is standing quite straight his arms folded in front its arranging the folds are getting darker theres something purple coming toward the head and wings are forming now it has a white robe on pink wings & then a purple Robe & something purple round the head its gone close to your side & looks at you. Now he has got something in his hand it 179 like a ball in two halves he is taking it apart it is hollow in the middle. I cannot see what is in it he is taking something out I inadvertently put my finger on the seal & Emma cried its vanished instantly I earnestly requested the vision to be continued 1122 6575 It cannot be it is dispelled You must not ask Questions or exert your influence over it before the vision is finished" 1/4 to 10 PM. Action Ended. ♂︎die 24 Oct. 1854 (Missed) ♂︎die 31 Oct. 1854 C A Mirror 8 PM Invoked the C.A. The CA appeared as usual but very indistinct Wd it be agreeable for me to [answer] ask some questions relative to my letter 6576 1123 It will I have written the letter as directed by you may I ask if you are aware of its Contents 1124 6577 I know the intention but I should wish to hear the expression[s] as it reaches the eyes of man I then read the letter & requested to be informed if any Alter.n was requisite 1125 6578 No alteration is necessary it is entirely what I wished, I trust you will keep a copy of it The Atonement 12 "/11/82 @ 6' to 9 PM. W 10 to 9 180 by you that it may one day be published and distributed amongst the English May I ask you to favor me with your remarks on the doctrine of the Atonement thro' J. C. that I may include in my letter 1126 6579 They acknowledge their belief in the Atonement of Christ in their propositions I explained that the position 5 in their paper A was a Christian doctrine which they denied 1127 6580 He was the Essence of the Father, the Spirit of the Father, one with himself sent by Him on Earth amongst men in their own form to enlighten them according to His Word, the Body was Sacrificed for their Sins and the Spirit again returned to be one as before. Why do these Rapping & Writing Spirits announce themselves as being the relatives or friends deceased of the members of the Circle & not as Spirits who never where embodied on Earth. 1128 6387 The nature of Evil Spirits is deceit, and were they to say what they verily are, they would be for the time honest, besides by declaring themselves their relatives & friends they claim their Attention more readily than if they were to make themselves known by a Strange name. May I ask how they become Acquainted with the names, manner & place of Death of those deceased friends 1129 6582 The Knowledge of the Evil Spirits is almost 181 boundless so far as concerns mortals or Spirits of low degree. If questions were proposed to those Spirits such as this: "Are there a number of Ministering Angels who have never been embodied constantly in the presence of God His Son and the Holy Ghost interceding for mans Eternal happiness & Welfare" they would shortly deny it. But as the great majority of the believers in the Spirit rappers & writers, deny the inspiration of the Scriptures & the Divinity of Christ, such a question so denied would only increase their disbelief, contrary to the intention of my letter. 1130 6583 I trust you will send it as quickly as possible. My Seers Vision being this Evening very imperfect - (thro our having had some unpleasant words the previous day [?]) I requested the CA to appear again next Tuesday Evening 1684 1131 I will 9 PM. Action Ended. 182 ♂︎die 7 Nov. 1854 C A Mirror 8 PM. Invoked the C A As to my letter to the Harmonial Socy. Cincinnati 1132 6585 I am quite satisfied with what you have said and believe it to be sufficient Shall I take out the words "Mammon loving Priests" 6586 1133 do not alter a word Can we this Evg. see the Continuation of the vision I so unfortunately dispelled - see Rx 6574 6587 1134 I cannot show you that one this Evening Do not the entrance of so many human souls, into the Spirit world cause a great commotion therein 6588 1135 It does indeed Notwithstanding the responses you have favored me with I still without my mawkish sentimentality, think that it would be much better for our race & its improve.t if Nicholas or any other royal Miscreant who wages an Unjust War, was taken off by a fit of apoplexy. than have so many thousands, not merely slain in battle but lingering in misery & pain, & ultimately doomed to live a burthen to themselves & those around them. 1136 6589 You doubt the Justice & mercy of God because his ways & workings are unknown to you. We put earnest confidence in the working out of His Divine wishes, and can only say of that which appears to us inexplicable "Thy Will be done" But Christian priests whether Greek Roman or Protestant are ever ready at the bidding of the Governments to offer up Te Deums, & often for the same Battle. 6590 1137 Those prayers are unheeded by Him. 183 I know your objections to my asking of you questions relating to [T?], but may I ask if our Arms will be Successful in the Crimea 6591 1138 It will do so May I ask if any of Sir John Franklin's Crew are alive 6592 1138 They have all perished May I ask when Sir John Franklin died 1140 He died a short time before you saw the 6593 Vision of his Grave in the Crystal Eight of his crew were then alive Can you tell me the Latitude and Longitude of the place where he died 6594 1141 I cannot tell that. May I ask you in what consists the vital principle or Life in Man. 1142 "I am" 6595 Life is in the blood, and the action of the blood upon the body generates all diseases. - But man may be killed instantaneously as by gasses or a concussion 1143 It is something beside the Spirit the soul 6396 is distinct from the Body, the Spirit Animates the body but when the body dies the Spirit does not cease to exist. Is that alluded to by as our having a Corporeal body & also a Spiritual body 6597 1144 Allusions are made to it May I ask in what part of the New Testament, Jesus or his disciples alluded to it /Asked three times no answer/ 184 In there any thing unreasonable in that question 1145 6598 The question is not unreasonable at the present time I am not at liberty to answer it. Mr Owen has sent me parts 4 + 5 of his "New Existence" I have not yet read them, but he is desirous of having Your opinion of them. 1146 6599 I am of opinion that they are of great service to his cause. I regard Mr Owen very highly and his works are equal to himself. but in some things he is wrong, could he but believe in the redemption of Christ and look for Salvation thro' his atonement and to believe that nature owes its existence to God, and that he is the Supreme Ruler[s] of all things, I should firmly believe him to be a man without equal upon earth. I have in my magical Mss. many Curious formula for rendering persons invisible, is it possible such a person exists. 1147 6660 The mans material body still remains but he can exercise a power over others that those laboring under that power Cannot see him. Is the use of that Power Sinful when not used for any bad purpose. 1148 6601 No it is not sinful , but he is obliged to exert great power over his witnesses You have formulas for making a 185 Man invisible If I select 2 or 3 will you tell me which is best. 1149 6602 They are all correct but some more powerful than others, I will do so, The Formula for Cures 1150 6602 I am afraid that if I gave it you, you would be induced from feelings of humanity to use it. You shall have it when it is good for you to receive it, but I must deny you that which is at all hurtful to yourself. May I have a cont.n of "The Vision" next Tuesday Ev.g 6603 1151 I will show it you if it is possible As to the F.R.C. 6604 1152 You will be acquainted with the Doctrine of the Rosy Cross. As to the F.M. 1153 6605 I sincerely trust that you will not do so No man ever yet entered a Masonic Lodge that did not bitterly repent it. Is our friend Mr Anderson alive & well 6606 1154 He is better than he has been Is Lieut Burton well 6607 1155 No answer May I ask if you have any advice to favor me with 6608 1156 I have nothing this evening When you appear next Tuesday will you as promised speak first 6609 1157 I will do so 9 30 PM Action Ended. 186 [Mars symbol] die 14 Nov. 1854 CA Mirror Invoked the C. A. 8. 3' pm. The CA is here very plain, & there is some reading coming 1158 6610 You have unfortunately lost the Talisman I gave you as a safeguard I wish you to make another the same, and I will Impregnate it the same as before. I ret.d thanks. Mr Owen requests to be informed if you are still agreeable to his publishing the responses you favored him with 6611 1159 I am quite so Mr Owen has also asked me whether I prefer my name appearing or not to the letters I wrote him, I have personally, always around any belief in spiritual existances & then communication by certain [?] with Mankind, but in this case I wish to ask your advice. 1160 6612 The works which Mr Owen publishes are bought chiefly by believers in spiritual manifestations, and therefore appearing in his works it would not meet with the derision & jeering it might do if pub.d alone and sent forth amongst the [?] and ignorant, & nonbelieving people, under these circumstances & with the knowledge that you would be able to inform them better were they to seek you out. I should strongly advise you to conceal nothing, the letters being sent and with them your name and address. As to my visiting Mr Owen next week & taking Emma & the mirror 187 do you wish to write to him before next Tuesday. not particularly but I will ask next Tuesday 6613 1161 I would much rather answer you then may I ask if Lero is still Mr Henry Leas GS. 6614 1162 Yes he is I am going to [did] Consecrate his mirror for him, shall I ded. it to Lero or will you give me the name of another spirit. 6615 1163 His Guardian Spirit would be best able to take change of the mirror Is Lero a good & truthful spirit 6616 1164 Yes but his knowledge is not very extensive Have you any objection to my taking my seer Emma to London to introduce her to Mr Owens seer. 6617 1165 I have not Mr Lea has several nieces & if one of them possessed the gift of seeing spirits in crystals Mr Lea would take her & bring her up. can you tell me if either of them has the Gift 6618 1166 They can all be tried As I have been so much occupied (my time being so limited I have no questions ready. I will observe however that I find table moving has been practiced in China for divination, several centuries, by the aid I presume of evil spirits 6619 1167 It is indeed I shall be pleased to answer questions at any time they may be formed I wish you as quickly as possible to make another copy of the talisman as I think 188 the benefit derived from it unspeakably great, I have nothing to say this evening that would benefit you Action ended 20' to 9 PM Emma being still unwell [Mars symbol] 21 Nov. 1854 CA Mirror Invoked the CA The CA is here as usual Mr Owen & his friend proposed visiting me next Tuesday if it will be agreeable to you I appear on that evening 6620 1168 I will do so with pleasure. Mr Owen has written me a letter in which he states that Can it be possible that any spirits can appear & assume the name & appearance of Jesus Christ 6621 1169 A vision of him appeared to Swedenborg Mr Owen is as great as he When you say a vision of Jesus appeared to Swedenborg & to Mr Owen do you mean that he appeared personally 6622 1170 No I do not The vision of the spirit appeared. May I ask what spirit you allude to 6623 1171 The likeness of the spirit of the son of God. If the likeness of the spirit of the Son of God appeared to Robert Owen, would it not, or those spirits attending it have enlightened him upon the subject of the Atonement & redemption of mankind thro Jesus Christ 6624 1172 His belief is much nearer to the right path than it was at first that I firmly believe the time will come when he will be thoroly convinced of all the true 189 doctrines of Christianity Are you acquainted with the spirits who Mr Owen mentions to have been in communication with him and to have given him such satisfactory answers. 1173 6625 I am not The answers you have given me as to the "Vision of the likeness of the Spirit of the Son of God" is so startling to me that I beg you will give me some further explanation of its mode or reason of its appearance. 1174 6626 Great purposes are used to meet great ends. If two founders of great and distinct sects of religionists needed assurance of things which they may doubt nothing would be too great that conduces to that end, under these circumstances or for my worthy cause the Son of God would condescend to allow the light of his spirit to illuminate the way of Truth. He who when upon earth went about doing good for the sake of good and going amongst every disease that he might heal for the sake of his fellowmen when he was as pure in Spirit as he is now, would assuredly Guide right at last, the men who in so many instances had followed in his path. When you say that the likeness of the Son of God app'd do you mean that it appeared as a ray issuing from the Spirit of J. C. in the same manner as the likeness of 190 the man in white with the cross appeared in the different compartments of our vision 6127 1175 It was in the same way Will you please to impregnate the Talisman I have made 6628 1176 It is done and I pray that it may be effectual for every thing in which it is needed. May I ask some further questions on the subject of the Redemption of mankind thro J.C. 6629 1177 Do so Dr John Eadie says under the article atonement The great atonement made for sin by the sacrifice of our lord & Savior Jesus Christ constitutes the grand substantial principle of the Christian faith, the efficacy of it is such that the Savior tho' under the wrath of God & the condemnation of his just Law, by faith in the atoning blood of Christ, is brought into favor with God, is delivered from Condemnation & made an heir of eternal life + glory - May I ask your view of that assertion 6630 1178 It is so, every sin can be for[e]given thro his death and intercession with the Father 1st John c2 v2 1 John 4-10 Do these two verses imply that Christ is not only the being or agent by whom the propitiation is made but was himself the propitiatory sacrifice 6631 1179 It does Dr Eadie also says, Christs atonement or his obedience unto death in the [?] of sinners the great theme of apostolic teaching _ 1 Cor. 1.23 It has in all subsequent times been 191 the object of saving Faith, and is represented by Material Symbols in the Ordinance of the Lords Supper, it forms the grand Theme of Rejoicing in Heaven. (Rev. 5. 9. May l ask if that is correct or otherwise 1180 The Salvation of the World is a great 6632 thing, against which all others are Diminutive It is needless to say what rejoicing & pleasure the angels look up to Jesus Christ for altho amongst them, there is more reverence felt for the other two of the Holy Family - Jesus Christ has more of their Love Gratitude & Sympathy being Man Angel & Godhead by him All things can be known & felt. Dr Eadie also says After all the vain philosophy & ingenious speculations of men to destroy or modify this doctrine which on the one hand reduces Sinful man to the most humbling extremity & on the other proposes to him the most glorious salvation, the atonement made for him, by the Self Sacrifice of Christ remains & will forever remain the essential principle of the Gospel, it will forever illustrate the dreadful sinfulness of Sin, the infinite purity mercy & justice of God & the Love of Christ which passeth knowledge No teacher of Divine truth to Sinful men can build a consistent or safe system of [any] instruction on any other Foundation than this Matthew 21 & 26 v 28, Mark 10-45 John 1-29. and 10. 10-18 - He who rejects the atonement and tramples under foot the blood of the Son of God can point out no way in which a Sinner can escape "The Greatest Sin and the most grievous rebellion of that period was sacrificing to Goats (or Satyrs) therefore say the Scriptures "They shall no more offer their sacrifices ([Casserim?]) to Goats." (Levit 17 v 7) But our wise men say that the reason why expiation was made by the He-goats for the whole congregation was, that the whole congregation of Israel sinned about a Goat when they sold Righteous Joseph into Egypt, as it is said "They killed a kid of the goats and dipped the coat in the blood" Gen. 37.31 See More Nevochim p 287. The Hebrew word [Hebrew letters], which is used Levit 17.7, literally means Goats, but is generally considered as intended to designate Daemons or Devils which are supposed to have been worshipped under the form of goats, or to have appeared under that or a similar form to their worshippers - See Dr. James Tomley Note 96 to the More Nevochim. "Certain Idols representing the power of the Heavens, in storms, tempests, rains, most probably they were in the form of [Highl] wild goats or of other rough Shaggy Animals Parkhurst Lexicon See also Schedius, De Dies Gennanis Syntag IV C1 p 489 The Satyrs, Sileni, Fauns, Pans, & Sylvani of the Romans were Similar Deities - Montlaucon (Antiq Explained vol 1) has given many representations of these figures. 192 the damnation of Hell Will you favor me with your View of that opinion 1181 1133 He is too Strong on the latter part of that opinion, but taken as a whole it is Well. The true and only path to Salvation of which man is able to avail himself is thro' the atonement of Christ - When he has done that he has done all and is perfectly assured of being Saved But the Mercy of God would not allow every one to perish that has not the means of believing - he cannot be justified when he says, "who do not believe in the Atonement," for how many are there in all parts of the world who have not even the Knowledge of God. It is cruel and injust to believe that every poor Slave ignorant African should perish because the light of Gods word was not revealed to him with better means of at hand those men would be as pure & spotless as any on earth It is those who are educated & know that such things do exist and yet will not seek them out or pause to enquire into them, those who reckless in soul & body pass from life into Eternity without thought given to their God. May I be allowed to observe that judging from my own feelings & experience, the lives of many of the Clergy their Leviticus 16. 8-10 On the great day of the Animal Atonement - Two goats were brought & presented before the Lord, lots were cast for the goat as to which of them should be sacrificed & which of them should be the scapegoat. The one doomed to be a sin offering was slain & after the High priest came out of the Holy of Holies, he lain his hands on the head of the live goat & confessed over it the sins of the people, the sin laden Animal was then sent by the hand of a fit man into the Wilderness. "And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a Lord, not inhabited" A common opinion is that the one goat which was slain represented Christ dying & dead for the sin of man; and that the other goat which lived and was [demonized?] symbolized Christ risen and pleading for our cause [Dcn. Eadie?] [Cycle. Sib.?] Leviticus 16 v. 8. The ceremony is not so perfectly cleared up by Moses as could be wished. 1st the goat being chosen for the Notion in preference to a sheep or other animal, is thought to have been with a [vice?] to root out any veneration for that animal which the Israelites might have imbibed in Egypt, where Pan in particular was worshipped under that form. As to the Casting the lots by the priest, the [earliest?] Jews tell us that an urn was bought to the priests with two wooden lots upon one of which was engraven "for Jehovah" upon the other "for Azazel" Now Azazel is a word which has puzzled Commentators in general, some interpreting it - a mountain near Jerusalem" others that it was a steep precipice down which the goat was thrown. Rev. [Banks?] Levit. 16. 8-10 The language in the [Duipinal?] is [previc?] & peculiar, it reads "And Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats " one for Jehovah and the other for Azazel". What we are to [un?] destined by Azazel has been much disputed, the language appears to imply the personality of Azazel... By Azazel we are inclined to understand Satan. "Some of the Zabii also worshipped Demons, and believed that they had the form of goats, whence they called Demons serim (שערים) goats. This opinion had spread throughout the world as early as the time of Moses, since we find him saying (Levit 17..7) They shall no more offer their sacrifices to goats." See more [Nivochrim?] of [Mamuvunids?] page 272. (See preceding fly leaf) 193 thirst for power. Their love of Mammon, their vindictive Hatred of all opposed to their peculiar views, have been a great cause of many falling away from Christ it appearing to them impossible that men whom they knew to be learned scholars could possibly believe in the Doctrines they preached, when their Actions were so diametrically opposite. 1182 6634 The actions of those men do not lessen the Truth of the Doctrine which they profane. Every man should be [brought] early brought to think & act for himself - not to be trained by prejudice or overcome by persuasion The Bible is free to all, it requires no tutor to explain the principal part of that. In Leviticus the 16th. v 8 On the great day of the Atonement two goats were brought & presented before the Lord. "And Aaron shall Cast Lots on the two Goats, "one for Jehovah, one for Azazel." - What are we to understand by "Azazel" 6635 1883 Chief of Evil Spirits The Protestant Bible Translate the Verse "And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two Goats, one lot for the Lord, and the other Lot for the scape Goat" The Catholic Douay Bible renders it And casting lots upon them both, one to be offered to the Lord and the other to be the Emissary Goat. 6636 1184 Both translations are wrong The one that was loaded with the sons of the people was intended to take them back to the worker of Iniquity who sent them. Judges 8-27 And Gideon made an Ephod thereof (Gold) and put it in his city ephen Ophrah, and all Israel went thither a whoring after it, which thing became a snare unto Gideon and to his home." Judges 17.3 And the Man Micah had an house of Gods, and made an Ephod and teraphim and consecrated one of his sons, who became his priest." Judges 18.17 "And took the graven image and the Ephod and the teraphim, and the molten image." 194 Dr Eadie also says, in reference hereto "The Sins of a believing world are taken off them and rolled back on Satan their [prime author] & Instigator, tho the penalty is remitted to believers it is not [?] remitted to him who brought them into Apostasy [Ruin?], the tempted are restored, but the whole punishment is seen to fall on the Archtempter. - Is that view correct 6637 1185 It is. In Exodus 28.6 is a description of the Ephod, may I ask to what purpose it was applied 6638 1186 It was the Priests Robe 6639 1187 It was not those Jewels were made into a robe which was worn by the Chief Priest Judges 8.27 Judges 17.3 Judges 18.7 These views seem to imply that the Ephod was used for the purposes of a Divining 6640 1188 Rx It was not, the robe which which was kept in the Court (?) and belonged to the Chief of the Priesthood was believed by them to be saved & to have power over those on which it was placed May I again ask if I can receive an explanation if the Greek and Hebrew Inscriptions of this [?] Fragment (twice) 1189 No Answer Will "Mohamed Ali" be able to tell me 6641 1190 He will answer for himself when he appears I have an urgent reason for asking this information of you a second time - I hope I have not offended you in doing so 6642 1191 I am not so easily offended have you any Advice to favor me with [this evening] 6643 1192 I have none this Evening 195 I have discharged the ES. crystal can I know use it with safety. 6644 1193 You can use it but I should still give preference to the real Crystal May I ask whom now the Spirit of this Crystal 6645 1194 Low has returned to it since it has been in the possession of Mr Dresser. Is Low a good and Truthful spirit 6646 1195 Yes I had asked to have dedicated it to my Seer. ELL's GS. had I better do so or have Low in possession 6647 1196 It is better at present to remain as it is May be allowed to have the cont. of the Vision this Evg. 6648 1197 I cannot show it you this Evening I will tell you when it is possible for you to have the Continuance Can we see Mr. Anderson this Evening 6649 1198 I do not know whether he will appear have you any objection to our calling him into this Mirror 6650 1199 I have not May I be allowed to ask, in what manner, our prayers are tendered acceptable to God - as in the cases of special [providences?] they appeared to be answered. 6651 1200 If the requested be from the believers in His son, Jesus Christ is the mediator If Roman Catholics, the Virgin Mary is the Mediator. 1/4 to 10 PM. The CA left. Called Mr Anderson - (several times) No Vision 96 [Fdie?] 28 Nov 1854 CA Mirror [Worked?] the CA [MCA?] is here as usual May I ask you some further questions this evening 6652 1201 I will answer you some, but I am compelled to leave early this evening May I ask how long you will remain 6653 1202 I am sorry that I must leave at 8 Mr Owen, is desirous of putting my letter to him on these spiritual subjects - do you think it still advisable for me to give my name & address. 6654 1203 I firmly believe that it will do good and I cannot see why it should do more harm than the letter which was published in the [?]. In a former Response you said [Rome?] was as great as [Medenberg?], may I ask in what way you applied that term, as altho RO. in may Opinion Yields to no man in his Earnest Love for the welfare of his Fellowmen, - Yet [Medenberg?] was a man of great scholarship, & tradition & one of the first practical [chymists?] numerologists of his day 6655 1204 As great in his influence over the minds of his Sect. Will it be agreeable to you for Mr Gilkes to be with us next Tuesday Evening 6656 1205 I have no objection to his being present In a former vision in Sept. 1853, Emma saw the Sea full of Evil spirits, & you said the Thames was the abode of Evil Spirits - is that the case still 6657 1206 It is indeed Are the Rivers that flow by all large Cities infested a like manner 6658 1207 Most of the Evil Spirits in them [were?] so many as the Thames 197 I have learned many Strange things connected with the Spirit World, may I ask why the Thames is so filled more than other rivers 6659 1208 It is the same with Evil Spirits as with most other things, where a favorite one takes up his abode great numbers join him, it has only been their abode of late years. And the horrible things that have been in it was the cause of their congregating there. May I ask if the Chief of those Evil Spirits has a name & what it is 6660 1209 DIDEMONT Is there any way to expel them 6661 1210 No Answer Can we see the continuation of "The Vision" 6662 1211 It would be [impudent?] to [?] them. As to the Vision 6663 1212 I do not know Mr Anderson will appear first as you called him last Tuesday Evening As I so seldom use this [?] Crystal may I ask who is now the Spirit of it. 6664 1213 I am not quite sure but from its appearance I should think it [?] No. I will enquire & be certain [?] is going 1/4 to 8. 198 Called Mr Anderson He is here in uniform Good Evening Mr Anderson You are indeed a stranger we are all grateful at seeing you alive & well 6665 Thank you I am as well as can be expected as the Ladies say. We are very happy to hear that pray where are you 6666 Within [?]shot of Sebastopol Were you under Arrest a little while ago 6667 Very nearly arrested for [ever?] on the 5th. Is it here that [info?] of our officers have been [cashiered?] for cowardice. 6668 No Answer What is the [?] you have so much difficulty in answering [?] questions this Evening - You have come willingly have you not. 6669 At the battle of [Inkerman?] on the 5th I had advanced on horseback in front of the Column when some chap singling me out, took aim with a revolver, one bullet or perhaps two went into the Chest of the Horse, but instead of his falling on his side as most other dead horses do he fell on his knees, or rather feel forward in a heap, the consequence was that instead of being pitched off and rolling over, I continued sitting, bolt upright, with my legs out on each side, at the same moment 2 or 3 bullets whizzed past in the place where my head had been only a moment before - so ludicrous was the aspect 199 I presented & so miraculous was the escape that the men fairly burst out laughing We are all indeed pleased to hear of your providential escape, have you got rid of your phantom visitors 6670 I have and I would 10,000 times, rather be on one of the batteries of Sebastopol than alone in my room with an unearthly Visitor May I ask if you have lost your power of seeing in the Crystal also 6671 I do not know I have not [?] used it since I have been here. I intend returning to [Marsville?] in [Sept.] Dec. I shall [?] [?] Visit London. We shall be very glad to see you safe home again - I hope you will then be a more constant visitor in our Crystal I presume as the Russian favors have flown about so plentifully you have gained promotion in the Crimea 6672 Not yet I was promoted so early when so young. Not knowing [?] might have affected you, I have been afraid to call you into our Crystal, so often as I could have asked 6673 I thought you were promised an Expn. of it Yes, I have received a very lengthened Explanation but upon Spiritual subjects, it is so difficult to receive information that we can properly comprehend, that I have still much further information to seek. 6674 I am certain that however much knowledge a man may have, and commucation with spiritual beings, he never can while in the body have spirituality enough in him to have connexion 200 with pure spiritual bodies enough for them to explain & [?] the philosophy [education?] of the invisible world I think that is quite true, may I ask you a question that will tend to prove the reality of the apparition of the atmospheric spirits of living persons, like yourself 6675 Cannot you prove it by any one [?] No, I find some of my Atmospheric friends so provokingly troublesome, that I dislike calling any but you. I wish to remark that this being the 28th of Nov. 1855 & as we cannot by any possibility learn any news of the War in the Crimea in less than 10 or 12 days. Cannot you tell me the name of some Officer, killed or wounded within say 2 or 3 days. 6676 General Hamilin was wounded on the 28th. He I presume is a French officer 6677 No he is I believe one of the Family of Sir Hamilin Williams an English Baronet. Now it looks like Hamlin Williams 6678 The next time that I appear I shall be able to give you my name, Spanish political affairs which have so long induced me to remain in [?] we now settled The Government of Isabella is settled so far that she is made constitutional queen & I can now return to the [Comt?] from which my [?] is banished [Sic?] Our young friend Selina who as usual is very busy here with her needle has not yet seen her future Spouse which she much [?] 6679 In the human as well as the spiritual body I presume. 201 Pray how is [Mis?] Georgina, quite well 6680 I do not know. I have many times wondered whether we shall ever become acquainted in the body. 6681 Perhaps I shall get bandboxed out here & that will put a stop to all acquaintance I think that's impossible or the [?] Visions relat'd to you must prove spiritual illusions or delusions - 6682 Did you cast my Horoscope I erected the figure but I never judged it, I will do so against your next appearance in the mirror - When will it be agreeable & safe for me to call you as I do not like doing it without your express Sanction 6683 You can with safety call me on the 3rd Tuesday in Dec'r. E S wrote to me about a month since that he was going to Germany & upon his return would [host?] me at Croydon & show me a Psychograph which can give Correct Answers (Spiritually) to questions. have you ever heard or seen any thing of the kind 6684 No indeed but I think Grand papa S----- will have his name in History as the Inventor of a great many Spiritual Instruments - if he had flourished in the 16th & 17th centuries he would have been frizzled before he was half his age for a Wizzard I have been engaged lately in correspondence with Robert Owen the philantroping on Spiritual Matters 6685 I don't know him he was celebrated about years before you were born as Robert Owen of [New Lanark?] 6686 I have not be in England long 202 Enough at a time to know all her celebrated characters I am afraid if you went to Spain & your fondness for dabbling in the Supernatural was known - You would stand a chance of a Frizzle 6687 No I shouldn't my mother has too much influence for that This year my energies have been chiefly directed to elucidate scriptural doctrine. & I trust with [much] success. 6688 That is a slight repayment for the time you have devoted to it. do you think the allies will take Sebastopol before Xmas. 6689 No, indeed I dont, the fortifications are astounding, theres a great deal of brag about the little we do. but they have as yet got the better of us. It must be allowed you served them out at Alma & at Inkerman 6690 Yes when it comes to the direct battle we gain the victory, but we lose so many men in the meantime for our number. The troops must I am afraid suffer sadly 6691 Yes its very bad & the weather wretched We though a good [deal?] of a shower at Chobham, here we sleep under a canvass tent when the fog is so thick that it completely saturates every thing around us, including ourselves, Well I think there is no fear of the Govern't or the people neglecting to send them all the succor they can 6692 No indeed, they are very satisfied and 203 very thankful for the comforts they do receive I have been told repeatedly in explanation of the diff.y we often find of obtaining visions of persons in America Australia &c. that spirits do not like to cross the water can you give me any elucidation of that curious circumstance 6693 No I cannot When formerly you appeared in our mirror or crystal you have brought in other persons at our request Can you tell me how you did so 6694 by an intercourse which atmospheric spirits have with each other. bodily I should have been unable to do so. Have you [any] heard anything lately of the little fat friend you fought with at Marseilles 6695 O Yes, he's no friend of mine tho What was the little fellows name 6696 No answer How is your friend Mr Powell 6697 You are very fond of styling my acquaintance friends Why from the likeness the young squeaker bore to a Certain Gentleman I imagined you were the closest of friends. 6698 I told you once or twice you were quite wrong, I cannot repeat it. (here he made a face & turned his eyes up.) Well I don't know all 6699 You wouldn't know much if you did Have you any other incident of the War to tell us 6700 A great deal of the baggage is still at Constantinople When you said on the 25th did you mean last Saturday 204 6701 I did On the 6th Nov. I started for Constantinople I got back again on the 16th. What do you think Lieut Henderson will be done to for "mislaying" the dispatches 6702 discharged doubtless & thats all Do you think & Mr. will be [?ed?] for their cowardice 6703 They will not be dismissed An Aide de camp of the Duke of Cambridge refused to ride at the battle of Inkerman from the place where his Royal Highness was to Lord Raglan who was on an [emmince?] on the other side of the field.-- Yes but what do you think was done You did not let me proceed, It was said nothing at all about & he was absolutely allowed to call a corporal from the ranks, mount him & send him with the message to Lord Raglan When he returned safe, he was applauded by the whole set. & will be made Serjeant did you ever hear any thing like that Yes Lord Alvanley bolted off the field in the Peninsular & was merely "sent home with despatches" -- & at our Cumberland Dragoons bolted Men officers & all from into Brussels, cutting down heroically all the poor wretches in their way but I never heard of any of the officers getting broke for it As Emma is suffering from the cold -- we will leave off be pleased to accept our sincerest wishes for your safe & happy return. 6704 Thank you it is a fond hope, God knows whether it will be realized. 9.h15 PM Action ended [Mars symbol] 5th Dec. 1854 CA Mirror 8 PM. Invoked the CA The CA appeared after some delay. In white, purple robe as usual Mr Gelkes has done me the favor of being present this ev.g, he suggests how desirable it is that as evil spirits in America, can give & do give to the members of the various spirit [?] ocular & indubitable proofs of their existence & are thereby enabled to lead the members of those circles into a firm & stedfast belief in doctrines opposed entirely to the divinity & divine communion of Jesus Christ it would be most desirable if good spirits would also give such secular demonstration as would place the fact of these spiritual appearances in mirrors beyond dispute. 1214 6705 Have you not faith enough in me, to suppose that were ocular demonstration[s] necessary or good for you I should have given it long before this. I explained that it was not my wish, but that thereby good & truthful doctrine might have an indisputable support as well as evil ones & not rest merely upon reason & argument 1215 6706 Those persons who cannot receive the doctrines of Christianity for the great truths alone which they contain can never be convinced by a power which only undeveloped spirits can use. It is my firm determination never to give a proof , whilst I have a doubt of its goodness when that is removed I would do any thing to convince the most sceptical. How is it possible for me after I have been preaching the highest & best,? doctrine to enforce it by a demonstration which I know to be not good, it would profane the subject that I have before preached -- Ungodly spirits are able to do so because they care not what mass of falsehoods they jumble together, they begin with doctrines that they know to be false & they do not care Miracles The period at which miracles ceased in the Church has been much disputed, they were not needed after the Church was fully organized, and the very dispute about the period of their cessation, seems to imply that they were gradually withdrawn -- The miracles of the popish church have indeed "been lying wonders." Dr. John Eadie what means they use to enforce it Error is easily believed but the way of truth is [clear tho di] difficult tho' clear. I explained my idea was that as bad spirits could give and indisputable demonstrations in support of false doctrines it was to be regretted that good spirits could not do so in favor of doctrines pure & good [*6707 1216] It is to be regretted that that power can alone be used by ungodly spirits May I be allowed to remark that Jesus Christ supported his doctrines by miracles & wonders Appealed to his works as proof of his Divine Mission he also gave the power of making miracles to his immediate disciples for the purpose of convincing those, whom their arguments could not sway. -- & the clergy [?] that in the early ages of the church the immediate successor of the apostles had the power of making miracles - but that is problematical [*1217*] [*6708*] The power of working miracles ceased with the death of Christs apostles, to be revived when he shall again return to judge the earth. Special providences take place, but no miracle is performed under his sanction, to convince his people. /see opposite/ [*1218*] [*6709*] The Father Son and Holy Ghost are 3 persons and one God - their influence is on all the world, in all things & all powerful It is not a spirit that enters individually mens hearts and moves them. but its a spiritual control & influence over the whole body of the Human Race. To put it in worldly sense it is the same as steam which issuing from a Funnel, diffuses itself thru' the atmosphere" .aa. Will the C A then please to explain the expressions in Scripture "Christ in us" "The Kingdom of God being within us" [*6710 1219*] It means Christ's all pervading influence not his spirit. We read in the psalms. May I ask your view of those expressions [1220] [6711] That the Spirit of God is all pervading throughout the Universe: It is the influence of Christ his power, his Control, if you believe that his Spirit inhabits everything that view must become limited but if one believe it is his influence, that can be felt in one place as well as another In life, in the Universe, in man in all things Created. I shall appear on Friday Evening next and I wish particularly to say something to you on this subject. You will understand my reason for not doing so now. Upon receiving this Commn. which was quite unexpected by me Mr G. left us & [altho?] CA continued 9 PM. [1221] [6712] Without having the slightest ill feeling towards Mr Gilkes, there seems a power existing between myself and him, which are continually at war with each other. It seems to me as tho when giving his opinion he keeps something back, as tho he was continually trying to discompose me & show his own greatness. There seems a kind of quiet deceit which I should have rather expected from a Clergyman who preaches what he does not practice, than from a man who professes to be so simple minded as a Quaker. I explained that the belief in such mystic arts was opposed to all that men of learning & science are taught from their very cradle, that Mr G. sought as a Ocular proof, as upon such a metaphysical subject as the existence of Invisible Spiritual Intelligences, there was No possibility of [?] the fact by mere Argument. 1222 6713 You do not understand me I feel the same as yourself, that no person can believe in any thing which his education & his mode of life condemns (?) they may believe the doctrine and receive it as tho it came from a book. If they cannot believe in my presence without ocular demonstration they themselves are the only losers it is not this that I meant. I meant that in giving his own Opinion or in asking [?] Mr Gilkes does not give it candidly, Mr Gilkes does not give the whole of his own opinion, he only gives the part which he thinks most in opposition to mine. I intend if you allow me to go to my friend Mr Henry [Rea's?] with Emma, to consecrate his mirror, in the hopes of developg. either his wife Mrs Charlotte Rea's faculty of seeing or one of her nieces - in hopes that his Religious views may be directed in the path of truth. 6714 1223 It does meet with my Approval, & were you to wish it, I would appear myself [?] I will indeed do so. 6715 1224 I will come Mr Owen has written to me &c 6716 1225 A moment. Before Mr [Rea?] Earnestly Commences his search after truth in these mysterious and to man dangerous [studies] matters, he must be cautious that he does not run headlong into any thing, or rush at conclusions, that whilst doing this he must not make experiments while he doubts their simplicity- That he must have no object in view but truth and the good of his fellowman that he must next form his opinions as nearly as possible, and however much in error they may be they will be rectified and made true. That he must govern his impatience for the end of things, and go calmly and patiently and with his whole heart through it. for these things will bear no division. You can tell him this and tell him too it is essentially necessary that he should strictly adhere to it - That he must not confound the Atmospheric with the Angelic Spirits and above all he must rest his faith in God. Founded on this basis the structure that he erects will never fall. May I ask if I am to take this mirror or if Mr Lea's will do as well. 1226 6717 It will do so. Mr Robert Owen, whose zeal for the welfare of his fellowman is untiring has written me this letter, enclosing an advertism't of two meetings to be held in London for the purpose of estab'g "The Permanent happy existence of the Human Race or the Commencement of the [?llennium] in 1855. he also requests your views thereon in all its bearings. 1227 6718 He is truly a kind and good man. ever ready to sacrifice his own comfort & happiness for the welfare of others & yet receiving 6718 more happiness from the [welfare of others] knowledge that he has in his heart of doing good than those who high in the highest state [?] it [over?] with such lightness & contempt Tell him it is my firm Opinion as well as my earnest prayer that, that meeting will do great good to his Cause. That as far as possible those advertisements should be circulated, and they cannot fail to bring together a large portion of thinking people. Amongst them there must be those that will act as well as think. He will I have no doubt before his arrangements are quite [?] as to the proceeding which he intends to take place on that day, again have [Communion?] with me on the Subject. I shall then be able to give him my more decided opinions as to what will be best. Mr Owen has reported that he might print, the letter I wrote to the Harmonial Society of St Tom's, have I your sanction 6719 1228 You have indeed. May I ask if you have any advice to favor me with 6720 1229 I have not this Evening, I will name an Evening soon (for the Vision) You will be sorry to hear that Mr Anderson has been wounded. May I ask when. 6721 1230 He was wounded on the 2nd Decr. On a Subject on which every Englishman must feel deeply may I ask if the [Allers?] will ultimately be successful in the Crimea 6722 1231 They Will [The?] CA's gone 14 to 10 PM. [?] 5th Dec. 1854 May 2/54 CA 5925 If it would not the best when Monarchs provoked [?] when they should be [?] will apply. " Men who are in battle are recd into happiness — ! [*strange doctrine*] " their death — a benefit! 5428 priests hoodwinking the mob — sinful as to our day of fasting &c — no answer — see 5983 5929 do the [?] unlimited confidence 5932-b Comm & unexpected remark about Emmas dress 5939 Captain and [?] — at Malta — His questions about my Experiments — and on his mirror body as to Baptism — Marriage. Confirmation 7 545[?] C.A. as to Spiritual Apparitions contd. " Creation of angels. — Origin of Evil — " Angels increased by decd mortals - half as many Angels as there are mortals! " 1 Guardian Spirit to [?] & child — 5952 Some one wishing to see me — prevent [Mel?] [A's?] Rx [appearing?] plain 5953 TRIM and THUMMIM 5954 Instructions for Crystal Work 5957 As to the Formula 5959 As to the number of lapsed souls 5967 Irish wanderers & their priestly Instigators 5963 As to the spell [?] to me by Mr Anderson & [?ing] it from [M?ould]. — & his loss of Vision 5966. Mr Anderson & the Crimea — refuses to [?] us a Spanish Verse for [?] Album 5973 C.A. As to my having Visions in the Crystal — in the [p?ild?] as usual 5976 No — [?] Each child has a new healed soul 3 persons have been born again [?] the beginning 5979 [Cagl?] ought be called in the [?ni] Glass 5980 Animals carry Spirits 5983 No use or Service on the day of Fasting &c 5987 My atmosphere Spirit deserving of [appe?y] 5992 Mortals attaining the 3 & 4 Sphere out of danger of falling —4 Had affection for each other but forget the World —Cannot explain to us the Spiritual State of being "9 Explanation of parties appearing together in the Crystal that never were together in the World. BF1335 .H63 1853 vol. 7 Copy 1 RBSCD Transcribed and reviewed by contributors participating in the By The People project at crowd.loc.gov.