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This interview is of Harold Weber. Also present is his daughter Cindy Stecher, and it is recorded on February 24, 2014 -- excuse me, 2015, at Bell Tower Retirement Center in East Dubuque, Illinois. It was conducted for the Veterans History Project at the Library of Congress. My name is Thomas E. Faulkner, and I will be the interviewer. Rachel Waterhouse is a court reporter who will transcribe the interview. And I am also the videographer recording the interview. Now, Harold, we will start the recording. If you could give us your name, your date of birth, branch of service, the highest rank you received and the war you served in.
My name -- my name is Harold Weber, Harold J. Weber. I was born [redacted].
The last couple.
Branch of service?
Branch of service.
Branch of service.
Oh, US Marine Corps.
Did you enlist?
Yes, I enlisted in the Marine Corps, yes.
And what rank did you achieve?
Corporal.
Corporal. And where did you do your basic training, and then from there how did you get overseas?
San Diego, California, of course, was the Marine base, and I was there roughly about three months and then they shoved us overseas, and joined the First Marine Division over in Melbourne, Australia. They had just come off Guadalcanal and they were reorganizing and we replacements. In other words, we trained and prepared for future landings, and the experience I had was very interesting. And then they were quite demanding as to what they wanted you to do and what you were going to do, whether you liked it or not, and you had to listen rather than talk. And of course naturally that is the way they want it, and that is -- and I guess you have got to learn the hard way. But other than that why, everything -- everything went fine and I kind of used to a little rugged life anyway, so that is one reason why I thought I would join the Marine Corps, enlist because I figured that, you know, the country was at war, they attacked our country and so forth, and I just felt that we had an obligation to keep -- keep them out of the United States if at all possible and go over there and fight them over there. And so many of the guys at school, I was in high school at that time, they felt the same way, let's fight them over there, not let them get here in the United States, but other than that, why, we took off and then we made our different landings. Now, I don't how far you want me to go.
Just go ahead and tell your whole story.
Pardon me?
Just go ahead and tell your whole story.
Oh, well, I mean, do you want me to start telling about the different landings that took place?
Sure.
Okay. We joined the First Marine Division as replacements, and then we prepared to make a landing up on the Cape Gloucester, which is over near the Guadalcanal area, which the First Marine Division secured and then the division that I joined again was on Guadalcanal and we were what they called replacements. And we trained in Melbourne, Australia on an Australian base, and after we were trained why then it was time to get aboard ship and head for the Cape Gloucester, New Britain Island area and make our landing, and one thing that I remember is that I couldn't stand the ocean, I got seasick, and I mean I was really seasick day in and day out, unbelievable. I fed a lot of fish. And then we shoved off for Cape Gloucester and we made the landing, and this is a jungle area. It was real miserable, rain you wouldn't believe, and the living conditions were just unbelievable, mud, filth and snakes and everything under the sun that we had to live with, mosquitoes galore. And the landing wasn't too bad although I remember when we first went ashore some guys got hit, and they were -- they had been just pushed in kind of a little hole in the sand and they were covered up and one of the medics, corpsman asked me to help get their bodies out, and then I can remember reaching down and pushing sand aside with my hands, and the ocean water, it was on the beach, the ocean water was just full of blood, and I can just see the poor guys, there was only two of them there but they had bled to death, of course, and the water was all bloody and the seepage of the sand and it was a mess. But then I began to think holy mackerel, this is not going to be so nice. So then they brought in a couple of Jap prisoners and they said take them to the rear so they took them to the rear, which was a matter of a few feet away, and all of a sudden I heard bang bang where they shot them, got rid of them right away, and I thought holy mackerel, what is going on here, and these were Jap prisoners and they were surrendering and they just done away with them, and I thought oh, boy, this is -- this is something I don't want, but then again I was there and I had to take and do my job and so forth so we just kept going. And we had finally got a good secure base and then living conditions was just unbelievable bad because of all the mud and rain. It rained for 27 days straight in the jungle area, and we were trying to find places to sleep at night because all you did was plop on the ground and that was it, and you try to find an area where you would be able to sleep and it was very difficult. And they finally brought in some hammocks. Now, where they got them from I don't know. Then the guys were afraid of the hammocks because you string them up between the tree and they had a zipper on them with a screen for the mosquitoes and stuff, see, and the guys were afraid to get in them at night because they were afraid if the Japs come sneaking through well here you are in a damned hammock with a screen, with enclosure screened in, see, and but still it was better than trying to sleep on the ground and the mud and the mosquitoes and everything. But anyway we lived through that and finally we finally ended up securing the island and got that pretty well taken care of, and guys got a lot of sickness. In fact, I even got the yellow jaundice, and I -- started -- my eyeballs started getting yellow, and a friend of mine with our outfit, he -- he turned so yellow you wouldn't believe and he lost a lot of weight, got down to really nothing but skin and bones. And I pulled out of it, I don't know how I did, but he died. I mean, he didn't -- he just didn't make it, that is all. And then we -- well, at night you wouldn't be taking your boots off or anything at night. Sleep with your boots on or shoes, whatever you call them because you try to set them out, next morning they would be all probably full of -- of snails, snails and everything else, lizards and everything else, so you left your shoes on and just plop down wherever you can and try to find a spot and hope that with your poncho over top of you that you will be able to get -- have a decent night's rest. So anyway, we kind of got that pretty well taken care of, and as I say, it rained there for 27 days straight so you can see what a mess, the ground was just so soft that you get out of that hammock you sink down 6, 8, 10 inches or more in the mud, and it got to the point where nothing would move. The track -- the tanks couldn't move because there was just too much mud, too sluggish, and all you could do was just kind of hang in there and move ahead a little bit inch by inch as we could, try to move forward. And finally, of course, after it was all over with why we got it secured and then we went back to an island off of Guadalcanal, I forget the name of the island, and really organized again and get ready for the next landing. I don't know what more I could say about Cape Gloucester, although it was one hell of a mess and jungle, snakes. And then one night I remember it was getting dark and we were plopping down and I plopped down and going to sleep for the night and all of a sudden during the night why I kind of become itchy, unbelievable itchy, and here I plopped down on an ant's nest, little red ants and I didn't know it. And, of course, it was dark and all I could do was just hang in there all night long. Finally when daylight broke, why, I could see here all these little ants and I was all little bites all over me, unbelievable but didn't seem to hurt me. I mean, I am still here, so anyway, that was one experience I had that was -- wasn't very good, a bad night, but I had no idea what they were and here there was little red ants, they were all over my whole body. So anyway, when we got through with Cape Gloucester, got that secured why then we went back to, as I say, an island off Okinawa -- or off Guadalcanal and retrained and recruits came in and trained again, get ready for the next landing. And did you want me to continue on? Is this -- okay. And then the next landing, why, it was called an island in the Palau Island group called Peleliu, and the island was about 2 and a half miles wide and about 7 miles long, and it was all coral island with a coral, big corral, like a mountain down the center of it, and we were warned that it was going to be a tough one to take. It was an airfield that the US wanted because there was -- eventually they would be wanting the airfield so they could go on to the -- the Philippines and so forth. When MacArthur was going to return to the Philippines, why, they wanted that airstrip, was at the ocean front and that is about all there was there except this big corral bluff down the center of the island, and the Japs were dug into that thing you wouldn't believe, unbelievable. And so we prepared to make our landing and we headed to Peleliu Island, and the coral reefs prevented us from getting in and the guy on the -- was operating our landing craft, he got shot and killed, and then the guy that was his assistant jumped up and he was going to take over and let the ramp down so he could get out and get in on shore and he got killed so nobody knew anything about letting that ramp down so we could get out of the landing craft, so word came go over the top so we went over the top of the -- of the landing craft, dropped down into the water, and of course, in the coral reefs what a mess that was, and some guys even drowned because they couldn't, you know, with their pack on their back and so forth, and the coral reef just made it almost possible to get in. But then the Japs opened fire, and of course, they were up on the bluffs and had guns in the caves and unbelievable and they opened fire and they just raised holy hell with us. In fact, they were going to talk about pulling us off, word came down the line to pull us off, and nobody knew where anybody was at, so much confusion unbelievable and you would ask where is such and such outfit, well, we don't know, this and that. It was just really a mess. And we were going to take the airfield the next day, and so we prepared to take the airfield and we got out in the airfield and the Japs got us pinned down, and no way you could dig any foxholes or anything like that because it was all coral reefs, and I can see myself just laying there, the machine gun fire and everything and the shelling that they were doing and so forth, and so and I didn't know which way to move other than to lay still because there was no way, you couldn't even pull anything in front of you except little pebbles and that ain't going to protect you very much. But anyway, I laid there and laid there and so forth and different guys same problem, and finally then the Navy started opening fire again and then they started dropping bombs or US started dropping bombs and so forth, and then we were able to kind of move ahead and so forth, and we did get the airfield secured and then we moved on through and on down to the end of the island, and it was -- we was there about, oh, I think roughly a total of four months before we got everything secured, and so that was a -- the worst landing and then we lost a lot of guys, unbelievable, poor guys. I mean, we lost and a lot of wounded guys and stuff. So then I guess I will proceed to talk about the next landing and that was Okinawa. And Okinawa was -- is -- was actually off the Japanese mainland, and they filled us in a little on the particulars of it and what we could expect and so forth, and so we made the landing on Okinawa and the First Division, which I was a part of, and there was Sixth Division was making a landing over on the east side of the island and we were going to come in from the west side, the China Sea side and come in that side, and the Japs thought we were going to be coming in on the east side where the Sixth Division was -- pulled a fake landing, and they moved their troops and everything over on the east side of the island and the west side was really weak, and that is where we came in, on the west side, and we made a landing and we didn't really have any resentment -- or resistance. The frog men, sometimes they would have these guys go in and try to observe a day, two in advance to see what actions there might be, what activity they might see from the ocean front. The frog men are actually guys who are trained, good swimmers and stuff that would go into the beach as close as they could and try to observe what might be going on, and the report came back that all they saw was a horse up on the -- the beach fronts, and that is -- and when we landed there was nothing there at all. I mean, we had a real good landing. And then the Sixth Division made their fake landing over on the other side, they pulled back off, they never made a landing at all, they just pulled back off, and we came in from the west side and then we proceeded to move on through the island and the island was a pretty rough island. It was hilly and a lot of coral, and the Japs were well dug in. And one thing about those Japs, they were good troops, no question about it. I mean, they were -- they were all for the emperor I guess, I don't know who else there would be, but they just seemed like they would die for the emperor. And so then we proceeded to move on through the Okinawa, and the US had bombed the devil out of the -- the Naha, which was the principal city of Okinawa, I don't know, wasn't just too big of a city, but they -- they had it completely wiped out, there was nothing, no village, no nothing standing, it was just completely flat. And then we were moving down, and Shuri Castle where the Jap headquarters was and we figured we would move down there and have the honor of taking the Japanese headquarters, you know, but in the meantime another unit -- marine unit beat us to the punch, and of course they were the first to take over the Japanese headquarters. (Interruption. Randy Weber is now present.)
And then we proceeded to move on, and we would -- we would run into a lot of the Okinawans would bury their dead in the hillsides, and they -- little door or not a door but an entry to go in and so we would go in there and try to stay away from the -- the Japanese artillery fire and so forth and be more secure actually, and we would go in and inside they had these just like steps and then they had these urns where they just put the bones. Evidently they put the dead in there and after they deteriorate and there is nothing left but bones and they put the bones in the jars and so forth and put them on the little stone ledges and so forth like steps, so we wanted -- we didn't want the people in there, the bones in there with us so we would throw them out the window or I should say not the window but out the door, and so we feel more comfortable that way and yet we would have protection from artillery fire from the Japanese. It was just so many things unbelievable that, you know, it is hard to, well, remember everything, but there was a lot of things that stick right with you, and then we finally got Okinawa secured. I think we were there probably about maybe four months, I think it took about four months to get secured. Then we were up on the northern end of Okinawa and getting ready to land in Japan, and troops were coming from the US, the European war was over and they were sending troops over to join us in the -- in the division of Japan, and we were on the northern end of Okinawa, and so we -- so we were preparing -- preparing to land in Japan, and then, of course, they dropped the bombs and -- the two bombs, and it put an end to the war as everybody knows. And the -- then the Japs had taken over China. In World War II, a lot of people don't realize this, but the Japs had taken over China, and we went into north China, Peking, we went in there and we disarmed the Japanese troops and to get the Chinese troops there fled south, they were bringing them back to the northern. See, Peking -- or Beijing, it was Peking at that time, Beijing now, they -- they would -- the Japs were real mean to the people in China because some of the Chinese would -- if they could talk a little English why they would tell you and they were real mean. I mean, it was just unbelievable bad. But anyway we were there and all we did there was disarm the Japanese troops. And we got that all done and then I had enough time to get out and so I came back to the states and that was it. I might mention about experiences I had. Well, I had a lot of different experience, many, many, you know. One time I will never forget, we had, he was from New Jersey and he went in this one Jap, what do they call it, bear -- well, where the Japs used to go to these like, I don't really can't think of what I should call it, but it was just a place where they would go in and hide out, so forth. And so they -- he went in, we were going to sit up for the night, and he went in to -- to kind of check it out and there were Japs in there, so they opened fire on him and he come struggling out, and he -- behind him they threw hand grenades, which was about half a dozen of us guys right around the area there, and he plopped on their hand grenade, which he could have saved our lives, and he lived but then he died later on here not too many years ago. I mean, he was in New Jersey. And he was really a nice -- really a nice guy. And then another one, guy one time was going to -- they wanted a couple of volunteers to go across the crick, small river, wasn't very wide but I was going to volunteer to go over because they needed -- they had some of our boys pinned down, and they wanted more help, we wanted more help. So in the meantime why this guy was taking pictures of the guys getting ready to go across, swim across this little crick or stream to help our guys who was over on the other side pinned down, the Japs had them pinned down, and so all of a sudden this guy, photographer is taking picture of this guy getting ready to go and all this and that, and all of a sudden he stood and looked at me like he was almost like he almost froze and then all of a sudden the blood started squirting out of his forehead and that was it, he plopped and that was the end of it, so and he was a hell of a nice guy. It was just one of those things that happens in the wars and no way you are going to get around it is all, but he plopped down and that was the end of him. So then I and I think there was four or five other guys, we got across the crick and so forth, and we were able to help our boys on that side who got trapped, were pinned down. We were able to get them so that they could get up and get back with us and so forth, and then we -- and then proceeded to go on and take over from there, but there is so many things, I mean, it is just unbelievable things that happened that it is just hard to explain, but then it has been so long the things that happened and you just -- I guess you just have a hard time getting out of your noggin that hey, look, it is all over with. But I have been keeping myself pretty busy all my life. I had a business, and I required almost like day and night work. I was in the home improvement business and, you know, in order to make a sale, we had to get both parties together because one would not make a decision without the other, in other words, husband and wife, so that meant trying to get them together and a lot of times you couldn't get them together in the daytime, you had to have evening calls and even Saturday calls and sometimes occasionally even on a Sunday, so forth, and so that kind of kept my mind pretty well occupied. And I was just thinking constantly of, you know, having to get out there and get business, keep things going and so forth because it just was, well, just the way it was, and so it undoubtedly has helped, you know, where I, it helped my memory, helped my probably staying on top of things simply because I was occupied, my mind was not float here or float there, strictly one thing that was getting business, keeping things going, so forth. And I can see where a lot of guys that if they didn't have the -- the extra activities they would probably be getting to them and probably really maybe almost drive them nuts, but I was -- luckily I guess I got this kind of a business to keep me occupied so I didn't have to worry too much about it other than get out there and get sales. So anyway, all in all, why, it was a great experience, and if I had to do it over again I don't think I would do it. I don't think I would enlist in the Marine Corps. Hopefully the day will never come we will have to worry about it, but I don't think I would want to go through it again. In fact, I don't think I could.
When did you disembark, come back to the US, and what did you do right after that, after you got back?
After I got -- after I got enough points then I came back from China to the US, and then I had a friend who was involved in this home improvement business, and he said why don't you come with me and for a few calls and so forth, so I went with him on a few calls and seemed that he went a couple of collections and people paid their bills and they seemed very happy, so I thought well, insulation, I didn't know if it was something to eat or what because going back a long time ago when it was relatively new, you know, and I thought well, maybe this is something maybe a guy got something after all, so first thing you know I went and did a little front work for him knocking on doors setting up appointments, and I would take him to the house and meet John and Mrs. Jones and you take over and that was it. (Randy Weber exited the room.)
Then it got to the point where I thought dang it, I can do this too, I don't really need him, see, so I got started on my own and so I ended up in Lancaster, Wisconsin. I was born and raised up at Wisconsin Dells, it is a tourist area as you undoubtedly know if you heard of it, and I was born and raised up there and there was nine children in the family I come from. There was six boys and three girls, and there was five of us in the service in Word War II, and the -- I had a very fine mother, good father. My mother was a nurse and she was a very, very hard working woman and she was a Switzer, Switzerland, her dad came from the old country, and so it was -- I had a good life as a kid and stuff, you know, and we didn't have everything we wanted because you were going back to the old depression days, things were pretty snug but we survived and we got by, and ended up with nice big garden and lived on the east side of town and plenty of room, played football and different sports and so forth and so it kept us occupied and so forth and enjoyed it very much.
What was it like coming home?
Pardon me, sir?
What was it like coming home?
Well, it was almost unbelievable because so many guys that you knew were killed or got wounded and there was such a changeover all the time, you know, you might get -- meet someone today and tomorrow they wouldn't be around, got wounded or killed or something, and it was just -- it was just real relaxing like in fact. It is all over, we won the war, the damn Japs didn't get in our country and so forth, and now we got to get down to business so I -- I don't know. I just felt relaxed and I wouldn't want to go through it again because there was no way I could go through it again because knowing what it was all about and being actually there you just -- it was just -- I got hit in the ear here with shrapnel. One of the boys in my squad on Okinawa, he got hit real bad, the Japs were shelling us, and he hollered help me, help me, and I ran out to help him and I rolled him over. In the meantime I got hit here with a piece of shrapnel, tore my ear up over here on the side and bled pretty bad but wasn't anything really serious, and I rolled him over, he was from Midland, Michigan, fellow by the name of Downs and I rolled him over and guts just all fell out, I mean, he just died right then and there, unbelievable. And you think about those things and you think well, that could have been you too, so it is just one of those things, so. The Marine Corps gives you a pretty good training. I mean, they -- when I think about it, they treat you pretty rough. They don't monkey around with you, and they let you know, I mean, where the bear sits in the buckwheat, no if, ands and butts about it, and they are trained to do it that way, I mean, and get tough with you. I know when I was in line getting my issued my equipment, one -- the guy behind the counter there was giving us our shoes and all this and that, so forth, why he asked me what size shoes I wore and I told him ten and a half, and instead of handing it to me like he should have he heaved them at me and hit me in the lip and broke my lip and I thought you son of a so and so. I was almost ready to jump over the bench that they had there, and I thought oh, better keep your mouth shut Weber, let good enough alone, so I got my shoes and the bloody lip along with it.
You have some items in front of you. Do you want to tell us what they are? And I will try to -- if you will hold them up I will try to --
Pardon me, sir.
If you hold them up flat so I can see them.
Well, some stuff here, I got different stuff. This is some Japanese stuff that I don't know how -- I can't tell you how I got ahold of it, and I don't know how I could even put it in my pack on my back but I did I guess, and I don't know what the devil it is all about. Looks like a calendar on the back. Turn one of them over here and look at the other side. It is a calendar, you turn it. How I got that I don't know. Then I got here this pamphlet here, they dropped that by air, and I guess that was kind of to make the guys feel like they are missing their girlfriends. They got the crosses on them, they got the angels over their head, and what do they say here? Spring dance. We have got -- we have got oomph and we got curves. We got stars and a lot of stripes. We have got, oh, boy, I don't know. We have got I think that is dresses and we have got breasts. We have got everything but our desire and any not -- and only the crosses mark them here. So in other words, telling us hey, look, stick around over here and fighting us you are going to end up in the cemetery with a cross and the beautiful girls will be floating overhead. That is one of their propaganda pieces. And I got some money here, some of this could be Chinese, some of this Okinawan. Some of this -- now, this is Japanese here. This could have been Japanese, Okinawan money, I don't know. I got -- got Jap -- Japan on the front of it. It is one pound. I didn't know if they took the pound or not. The Japanese government, it is one pound. And I got, this, I got a lot of smaller stuff here too. I don't know, I really don't know what it is. I mean, I got to get ahold of a Jap or somebody that understands it. I have got a whole bunch here, it is different bills and stuff. Some of it, most of it would have been from Okinawa I am pretty sure. Probably isn't -- if you want to trade it in you probably wouldn't be worth nothing. I don't know what this is all about here. It is Japanese but I don't know what it is about. Here it shows the Japanese kids being trained and stuff. The word we got was that they were even training the kids in case we invaded Japan that the kids even would take sticks or poke you or whatever may be, I mean, to get rid of you. They had the kids trained to do that. And this happened to be the big shot over there, Tojo. I don't know how I got that picture. I have no idea. I can't read it.
Do you want to show your book?
Huh?
Show Your book.
This book, I don't know if you are familiar with this book or not but there is quite a bit of stuff in this book here, and I find it kind of interesting. I had a chance to look at it and so forth and they had a little information in here about myself. There was a doctor in Dubuque that got the idea I guess putting this thing together, and he did -- did a good job. A lot of work. One of the biggest problems I had was getting seasick. I tell you, I no more than got aboard the boat leaving San Diego, and this was a luxury liner too, it was a big ship that they hauled us over to Melbourne, Australia in, converted into a troop ship, it was a luxury liner, and I no more than got aboard that damn thing and we shoved off, they shoved off into the ocean and I got sick, and I would vomit and I would vomit, unbelievable, and then I would try to find a place where to go on to make a landing or something and I would try to find a place where nobody would bother me because every time you plop down somewhere, hey, Mack, you can't lay here or hey Mack, you can't do this or can't do that, so forth. And finally I got by a tank, and then we got in rough water, the tanks were all -- were all anchored down good to the deck so they wouldn't move around but they shifted a little bit, and boy, that dang rough water and that tank would move a little bit that I would be laying there and boy, I would get the devil out of there because I didn't think, you know, you know, if it was going to come, but it was just one of those things. Then one time I was -- one of the islands there called again Cape Gloucester and the Japs had us pinned down, we were leap frogging up the coast line and the Japs had us pinned down, and this called -- this point, I can't think of the name of it right offhand, and I was moving up and we only had this one tank because all we were doing is just leap frogging up the coastline to see how many Japs we were going to be running into and just what was going on, see, and so we would go in and make a landing and there was no activity so then go back out, pull up maybe another couple of miles or something, pull back in again. And finally we got up to Telesia it was called, Telesia Point, and we run into the Japs, and they had us pinned down and they were able to get one of our tanks that was on the landing craft, they got that in, and the tank came up that little ridge not too steep, and I was just laying there pinned down, you know, and that damn tank went right over me. And they are 32 ton tanks, those Sherman tanks, big heavy tanks, went right over top of me but didn't hit me. Underneath those tanks you got about 3 foot feet of space because in case a tank gets disabled the crew can come down through the trap door and get out underneath it, see, and luckily I was just down deep enough where it didn't bother me a bit, just went over me, and of course, he didn't know he went over me, whoever he was I don't know, but in a way he just kept right on going and so then we kept moving on too, but so many different things you have happen, just kind of, you know, you just kind of wonder why you are even here.
Did you after you got back, did you join any service organizations or have any reunions or anything like that?
What did you say, sir?
Did you join any service organizations or have any reunions of your outfit?
Yeah. I have been -- not too many. I have been just so damn busy with the business word that I just kind of should have been more, you know, obligated and more -- the Marine Corps League, I belonged to that for many years, but I don't participate. I feel guilty now that I am getting older and stuff that I -- but I see some of the guys and they ask me when are you going to come to the meetings, and I just, you know, I just haven't. And I belong to the American Legion for years and -- but I just have not been active because the business world took up so much of my time. I mean, I just kept myself busy and that was it.
Is there anything else you would like to add?
Anything else? Well, other than I will say this, that if it wasn't for the American public producing so many of the arms and munitions and so forth we would have never got the job done. We got to thank the lord that the American people all got behind the big effort and were able to produce a lot of weaponry, you know, ammunitions, vehicles, tanks and planes and everything, you know, that is really what won the war for us. If it wouldn't have been for that mass production like we had, things would have been a lot different. So we got the American public to thank for the tremendous effort that was put into the production of weapons period.
This concludes the Veterans History Project interview with Harold Weber. Thank you.
Thank you, very much.