>>From the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. [ Silence ] >>Peggy Pearlstein: Good afternoon everyone. Well, let's see. Good afternoon...good afternoon everyone. I'm Peggy Pearlstein, Head of the Hebraic Section here in the African and Middle Eastern Division of the Library of Congress and I'm going to tell you a little bit about today's program and then introduce you to Fenta Tiruneh who's responsible for the haric [phonetic] and tegrinin [phonetic] collections here at the library. Today's speaker Dr. Heran Sereke-Berhan will be talking about Coffee, Culture and Intellectual Property Rights: The Case of Ethiopia. And it will be followed by a coffee tasting in our conference room following her lecture. Those of us here in the division had some samples the other day and so we highly recommend that you stay and taste some Ethiopian coffee. If you will be part of the question and answer that follows the presentation, please be advised that you are consenting to your participation in today's program and it will be webcast by the library and available on its website at all times. I also want to alert you to a program that we're having on Monday here in our reading room; it will be a presentation about a new Passover Haggadah which is the booklet that's recited at the Seder meal on the eve of Passover and there are more fliers up in the front by the information desk. And now I would like to introduce you to Senior Reference Librarian Fentahun Tiruneh. >>Fenta Tiruneh: Thank you Peggy. You all make me feel excited about today's show. I welcome you all on behalf of the African-Middle Eastern Division. Before I go into the introducing the main speaker... [ Pause ] ...I would like to introduce...well, I have two announcements and the first one is about the coffee ceremony that we're going to have and serendipity some how played a part and we're having a sort of a two show with one event. I would like to introduce Abeba Tilahun. Ms. Tilahun please come over. Abeba Tilahun is a culinary expert and she has done a lot of shows on coffee and food all over the United States but she happened to call when I was in need of someone to help me with the coffee service; she just called on time and then I happened to mentioned to her that we are having this event on Thursday and she volunteered today to be the master of ceremony for today's. And not only that but she has brought all the stuff and she has mobilized her husband which just happened to come from California and she's just a lot...she's given us a lot of love and she brought the coffee from home and she has fixed bread, Ethiopian style I think, and you're going to enjoy a whole lot of the show today. So, thank you very much Abeba. Please give her a hand. The second announcement is about what Dr. Heran wrote and it's in reference to what she's lecturing today. We have about 15 to 20, not 15, about 17 articles, issues, or copies of her article and you can...it's going to be given out on a first come first serve basis and she will be happy to sign that article for you. And now I will introduce our speaker Dr. Heran and she has I think agreed with me that I call her Dr. Heran. Sereke-Berhan, I don't know if you want to call her Sereke-Berhan. It means the dawn of light. Dr. Heran Sereke-Berhan was most recently a postdoctoral fellow at the Frederick S. Pardee for the Center for the longer range future and visiting researcher at the African Studies Center of Boston University. Today's lecture is the result of her research work in this university. After earning her doctorate in African History from Michigan State University in 2002 she has initiated and participated in projects that combine her interest in historical research with a passion for the arts and culture, including arts exhibitions, performances and publications on the arts. She spent four years in Ethiopia where she worked as academic director for the school for the International Trading Study Abroad Program. She's currently working as a research and development associate at the Ethiopian Committee Development Council in Arlington, Virginia. Between 2005 and 2006 she was an assistant professor at the Institute of Ethiopian Studies in [inaudible] the university. Dr. Heran has written numerous conference papers and made several presentations and talk shows. Among here notable works is the most recent issue and the special issue of the Journal of Ethiopian Studies that she edited in honor of Professor Richard Pankhurst and his spouse Rita Pankhurst. My testimony of Dr. Heran is that she's a very, very loving person. I have not seen many that have combined knowledge with humility and love. Please welcome Dr. Heran. >>Dr. Heran Sereke-Berhan: Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much Fenta. That was a very moving introduction and thank you for the organizers, Peggy, everybody who's been working on this and Abeba. My goodness, I wouldn't have been the person to make coffee. I don't even know how to make coffee the right way and coffee puts me to sleep so I can't drink it. So, thank you very, very much for doing this. This study was conducted 2009-2010 and the year that I was in Boston at Boston University and it was part of a year long theme on Africa titled Africa 2060 which considered sort of the future of Africa, possibilities, challenges and opportunities at 50 years into the future and then a conference at the end of this also happened titled Africa 2060, The Good News from Africa. Which sounds suspiciously like a religious gathering but is it was a very, very strong and influential conference on positive outcomes, things that are happening in Africa today that we can talk about. My own introduction to the issue of intellectual property kind of came through the back door. I was working on a CD recording with a friend of mine who's a poet and some musicians and the central idea to it was a little bit experimental. It was about musicians actually listening to words. They never do so if you sing the song, musicians don't know the lyrics, they don't know where in the song that word is so I threw out a challenge to some friends, musician friends, and we put together a CD with poetry and really good jazz in Ethiopian variation music and then we set about trying to copy the CD, reproduce it and sell it and everything came to a standstill. The choices were very few. The first was we either paid for the printing and reproduction upfront ourselves or we dealt with distributors who'd give us a one-time payment and there was no room for renegotiating or, you know, market circumstances to renegotiate what was going on later on and or the third choice was to go in with a distributor half and half and that might or might not work. So, the project came to a standstill and I quickly realized that despite the fact that there was copyright laws and the artists had been, you know, advocating for copyright, the musicians especially in Ethiopia in a daily way in a way that made any sense at all this didn't have bearing on artists' lives, that this wasn't going to be something that artists look to to kind of get their rights over their works protected or that they would even have an income anything that was of use for them from their works. So, this kind of set off a set of questions in my mind as to who owns what so, I mean, the first question of course was, you know, the muze might come and go but creativity seldom happens in a vacuum so who ultimately owns a creative idea was one of my questions and then I thought about all the different areas specialized knowledge that's been passed from generation to generation in areas like medicinal plants and artisanal crafts and sacred performances; the list is very long, agricultural cultivation. Who owns those ideas? Is it the community that produces it and has custody over it or is it the companies that invest in the research and development part and then they transform that body of knowledge into goods and services. So, all of these questions were buzzing around in my head and from there it kind of took more formal shape for Africa that I thought was interesting to investigate. So, the two questions that I kind of wanted to address was can Africa be positioned to benefit from this knowledge production in any way and then eventually can Africa compete with the international arena of cultural knowledge production. Big questions and so part of the answer I knew was going to lie in sort of examining the relationship between intellectual property rights and Africa in relation to culture. I'm sure most of you know this but this is a very new area for me so I, you know, sort of came up with a working definition of what intellectual property meant and intellectual property, IP, it refers to a number of distinct types of creation of the mind for which a set of exclusive rights are recognized with corresponding areas of the lobbying applicable and they resemble in many ways property rights and in this case the honors are granted rights over intangible assets so it could be artistic works, literary works, musical works, words, phrases, symbols, designs and the like. The main aim of intellectual property rights, the basic purpose is three fold in its most simplified form. First, it protects the inventors or creators of the idea from counterfeit users. Second, it awards them some kind of moral rights over their works so they decide whether they want to sell it of not sell it or reproduce and put it out there, they decide. And then the third is somehow to make these creations available to the wider public and arguably I think these three things have even within the legal framework have some kind of tension between them, between protecting the artists' rights and then making it available and so there's a lot of literature on sort of the ethical stance of these three different purposes; the legal and economic and policy implications, there's a whole lot of literature on that. What I discovered was the areas of IP law, intellectual property law, patents, industrial designs, trade secrets, copyrights and trademarks were very different in the way that they were, the law was had developed over the years and the legal principles evolved in different ways and these legal fields were extremely specialized so one of the people that I ended up interviewing really cautioned me against mixing these areas, you know, intellectual property trademark, mixed those issues with intellectual property copyright issues. Don't mix those issues because these are very specialized areas of the legal field. So, they're seldom seen as a package holistically; they're almost never are so but if they were, one can conceivably argue the case that the overall effect of these laws is a monopoly of knowledge production and access and that's provocative onto itself but if one was ever able to consider and I'm not a legal, I don't have legal background so I wouldn't know the intricacies of this but I kind of arrived at this that if we were to consider these holistically, can we argue that as a whole there was some monopoly of knowledge production and access through IP laws. The legal principles behind the notions of intellectual property evolved over many centuries and it wasn't until the 19th Century that the term itself came into use. It became even more common place in the 20th Century here in the US and people point to the British Statute of Anne from 1710 and the Statute of Monopolies in 1623 which are seen sort of as the origins of copyright and patent law respectively. These two conventions, international conventions, are very important as sort of the beginning of formalizing intellectual property laws. I won't get into them in much detail. The first one was signed in 1883 and it sort of deals with industrial property in its widest sense which includes patents, marks, industrial designs, trade names, geographical indications and it laid down sort of the common rule that member states, all member states, signatory member states would follow. The Berne Convention deals more particularly with copyright over for works of authors and this one established a system of equal treatment that internationalized copyright among signatory states and it also put into place the idea of fair use for copyrighted works in publications and broadcasts. Now the nature of protection varied very much from country-to-country and it was adapted as seen for a particular need. Towards the end of World War II western innovations and radio, television and satellite technology made a very new foundation of knowledge economy and instead of agricultural production, goods and services became the basis of wealth and the competitive edge in this knowledge economy depended very much on innovative qualities that these goods and services exhibited so IP laws were created and strengthened to protect these innovative qualities. Furthermore, later on improvements in production and distribution systems led to greater trade activities in western economies which in turn exposed the risk of, increased the risk of exposing these innovative qualities to copying and counterfeiting which ultimately would rob them of their competitive edge. So this lack of uniform protection over innovative qualities led western interest groups to push for the integration of trade and intellectual property laws to better protect wealth created from intellectual property. So now intellectual property becomes intertwined with trade and these two pieces are very important in the international arena. The first is the establishment of the World Trade Organization and then the trade related aspects of intellectual property rights that it administers which really strengthened the link between IP and trade. The World Trade Organization was formed late in 1995 basically to supervise and liberalize international trade and it has different frameworks for negotiating and formalizing trade agreements and a dispute resolution process as well. TRIPS is a very active set of rules that is there; the objective of it is to support and promote innovation and creativity to the mutual advantage of users and creators and it sets the requirement standard for copyright rights. It was introduced, TRIPS was introduced, it introduced IP law into the international trade system for the first time and it remains the most comprehensive international agreement on IP to date. As it pertains to Africa and development issues the views are very mixed. There are those that argue for it, there are those that argue against it. Those against it argue that there is already an uneven set of advantages that are built into the IP system. Africa is not recognized as a significant contributor to the production of knowledge and if Africa is recognized at all, the originators of knowledge are quickly factored out of a value chain which awards the research and development investments through the benefits of trade. They also argue that developing economies are already on the margins of global trade relations and observing any kind of intellectual property rights will only entrench the continent even further into those margins. Those that argue for the case of observing intellectual property rights claim that it would eventually decrease Africa's dependency on agricultural products and commodities and Africa is largely relegated to this production of commodities and agricultural products and this is vulnerable to market changes and environmental factors and Africa is always suffering from that kind of vulnerability. Those for it also argue that it will allow eventually Africa to the developing economies in Africa to bypass traditional market arrangements and eventually leapfrog into generating higher export incomes through using intellectual property tools and the debate rages on. There is no consensus really. One advocate of using these intellectual property tools to benefit African economies based here in DC is a development group known as Light Years IP and this group, what this group stands for or did was it recognized early on the importance of the intangible value of products in generating corporate income in the US and they define intangible value as none physical characteristics of products such as uniqueness, reputation or tradition. And here in the US commonly this is represented in a company's IP portfolio and this includes technological know how, brands, trademarks, patents and other forms. Intangible assets over the years have become the greater part of a company's income and the importance has shifted from being solely a legal issue to being a core part of overall business strategy. Small and large businesses in the US seek profitable licensing programs and market niches through design and packaging and so Light Years IP suggests that transposing these standard practices to international export trade will help developing countries seeking to capture higher returns from their products and so the countries can therefore focus from increasing production of commodities to using IP tools to enhance their intangible value determined by uniqueness, reputation and tradition and I mentioned Light Years IP because they were the group that eventually advised the Ethiopian group that began this initiative for a trademark for coffee. In terms of coffee itself the world trade in coffee has changed over the years and as early as the 6th Century Abyssinia, the area that Ethiopia now is in, was the principle region that was supplying the Arabic world and supplies reached Yemen, currently what's Yemen today, around the 15th Century or earlier; from there it went to Southeast Asia as far as Cylon and Sumatra, then the Dutch's East Indies soon became an important region for coffee production and between the 16th and the 19th Century other colonial powers introduced coffee into their territories. Coffee like other prime commodities suffers from over production which also results in very dramatic rises and falls of price. The market fluctuations and peculiarities are very specific to coffee. I don't know how many of you may remember but between 1999 and 2004 was sort of the lowest decline of coffee prices in 30 years. It was very dramatic and the international market created a global crisis pretty much and part of the reason for this crisis what had happened was that there was an over supply of coffee in the market and part of that was based on the policies of multinational financial institutions such as the IMF and the WTO that had offered loans to poorer countries. In this case I think it was Vietnam and suddenly Vietnam went from being a small producer in the early 1990's to the second largest by 2000 and so this didn't, unfortunately this didn't necessarily result in higher income or better livelihoods for the farmers themselves because the oversupply kept the prices low. This caused a crisis, a huge crisis for coffee farmers and this is about we're talking about 30 to 60 million of the world's population and there was mass migration to urban centers. Those who decided to stay on their farmlands in Ethiopia a lot of them decided to grow khat instead of coffee. This is in our culture that is consumed widely in the Middle East and in the Horn of Africa and it's a kind of crop that doesn't even require much in terms of maintenance and immediately the fate of farmers changed because a bushel of khat also known as qat could sell for as high as $9. Well, coffee at that time would bring 0.01 cents so the math was very clear. There are certain peculiarities to the coffee industry and the coffee market. On the consumer side demand is never affected, it's not affected very greatly by price change. On the supply side farmers might be able to increase their yield short-term by using fertilizers but there's a very cyclical nature to the coffee growing period. It takes anywhere from three to five years to grow coffee for it to reach full production so this built-in lag time often results in over production and price in elasticity. The other piece to this is that the New York Coffee, Sugar, Cocoa Exchange price which functions as the main futures price reference price it ultimately controls the price that's paid to farmers and there at the New York Coffee, Sugar and Cocoa Exchange the prices paid to farmers were very different than prices paid to producers in exporting countries and the retail prices...sorry, let me say that again...the prices paid to farmers were very different than the retail prices that were recorded by importing countries and between 1999 and 2001 the futures market price fell by 57% due to this oversupply yet during the same period the retail prices only fell by less than 10%. In this period between the 1990's to around 2004 the World Coffee Market was characterized by a boom in consumer countries and a corresponding crisis in producing countries. What, this has been termed the coffee paradox which marked the departure from the assumed economic model of supply and demand and there was this huge difference between the global green coffee; the price fell despite increased demand of coffee by consumers in developed countries. Part of the cause was that this coffee that was on the market was very low quality Robusta coffee and it was over supplied and it harmed the producers but it resulted in coffee roasters being able to raise their profit margins because international prices dipped to record setting lows. At the same time the consumer market of specialty coffee meant that this sector recorded increasing price premiums even during the crisis. The specialty coffee industry was in dire need of high quality coffee of the kind that Ethiopia produced (Yirgacheffe, Harrar, Sidamo) and this could be easily geared towards the niche market. There is this difference between commercial and specialty coffees. I didn't know this until I did this research but there are two very distinct sectors to coffee. The industrial or commercial coffee is usually the canned and the instant blends and the specialty coffee or gourmet coffees are the kinds that the specialty distributors deal with and the US is the highest consumer of world coffee followed by Germany then Japan and industrial coffees make particular use of Robusta beans, lesser grade coffee beans in their blends. Specialty coffees are generally much smaller in volume and they account only for about 10% of all coffee exports. The price so is very, very high. The retail estimates in 2001 measured the total US specialty market at nearly $11 billion and even though growers were suffering in this period of the crisis, international companies were reaping record profits by taking advantage of lower prices. Ethiopia is and was then producing Arabica beans which is very much sought after by the specialty industry and unfortunately though its selling price was pegged to the New York CSCE's commodity price and so this discrepancy between the selling price and the commodity price was one of the key issues that the Ethiopian Fine Coffee Initiative sought to address and I'll say a little bit more about that in a minute. Most of you know that the, what the growing demand for the specialty coffee industry and how that's kind of took off here in the 1970's. What happened as a part of the coffee cartel between Africa, Latin America and the US collapsing, there was a cartel in place that dealt with stabilizing volatile prices and guaranteeing some kind of aid to coffee producing countries and fixing production quotas for coffee exports basically to kind of stabilize the market, but this cartel fell apart in 1989 and from that point on it was as though all countries could compete on the market and most of them started focusing on quality production instead of quantity production and what this did was increase the variety of high quality beans that were available at lower costs. The coffee revolution started up around the same time. Market coffees were being marketed in a very new way to a very new kind of consumer who had sort of environmental concerns, environmental savvy and fair trade was very knowledgeable about fair trade concerns and eventually these consumers would seek high quality single origin coffees instead of blends and mixed beans from unknown locations. The leader of this coffee, the specialty coffee industry was Starbucks and this had opened you've probably noticed if you've been a Starbucks lately that they're celebrating their 40th year. It opened in 1971 their first coffee shop in Seattle and it grew in popularity very, very fast and but the Starbucks institutional demeanor I guess is sort of a more a gentler kind of global business with good corporate citizenship and social responsibility at its core and to its credit Starbucks was among the first in the industry to introduce and package single origin coffees that serve to promote products and their sources to consumers. So it's kind of ironic that in the actual initiatives Starbucks became the enemy for a short time but that was resolved fortunately. The slide that you see here has different shades of maroons and browns, I think three different shades. The R stands for Robusta coffee, the blend coffees; the A stands for the Arabica, the red countries that produce Arabica coffee; and the M is for mixed Arabica and Robusta coffees. Now when we come to Ethiopia the origins of coffee in Ethiopia and I don't know anyone who knows about this legend anymore where it came from, when it started but the story goes that a shepherd named Kaldi took his goats up a hill and the goats started munching on beans and started getting very energetic and so he decided to try some of this since they had all this energy to spare and from there he was very inspired to share this finding with some priests nearby and the priests tried it and they stayed up all night praying so that helped and for those of you who may have visited Ethiopia lately you know that there's a chain named Kaldi's that's kind of fashioned after Starbucks that's doing very well, a coffee cafe chain. Over the ages practicing, the practice of drinking coffee has been at times banned and at times accepted by both Christianity and Islam. In the beginning Ethiopia coffee was strongly associated with Islam and indigenous religious practices so it made, its, the consumption was sort of taboo among its Christian population. Nobody would admit to this today but that's actually how it had happened and we know this because travelers to Ethiopia from the 19th Century sort of observed this aversion which seemed to a have lessened towards the latter half of the century. Maybe because and I don't know how true this is but Egyptian Aboons who were the head of the Ethiopian church at the time consumed this coffee and so it kind of became a little bit more accepted and then by the first half of the 20th century there are reports of nobility drinking coffee and it's available in the homes that host these travelers. Now, Ethiopia is unequipped vocally recognized as the birth place of coffee and some even regard the name itself to have been derived from a region in the southwest named Kofa. Coffee still grows wild in mountain forests in Ethiopia and one of the strongest reasons why there's this belief that coffee originated in Ethiopia is that there is a very vast gene variation of coffee in Ethiopia. There are local gene banks there. One is the Jimma Agricultural Research Center and the Institute of Biodiversity Conservation in Limu and they've recorded a variety of about 6,000 beans so far and counting, they're still more. One such variety that I've heard of has been taken to Brazil and during the emperor's time a Brazilian delegation came and they were offered this type of bean and it's now become the most natural decaffeinated coffee that's available on the market. So this wealth of diversity attests to Ethiopia's claim that the origins and links...as the origins, the origins of coffee are there and that the links of the survival of the world's largest genetic pool really depends on adequate conservation in Ethiopia. Cultural significance it's, you know, a daily activity in most homes in Ethiopia. The economics to this was that Ethiopia is considered the older, the oldest exporter of coffee. In 2005 and I'm sure there are figures from since then but Ethiopia was the 6th largest coffee producer and the 7th largest exporter worldwide. This kind of gives you a sense of why it's important as a commodity but not so much the cultural background to this. Coffee preparation and consumption is included in most religious festivals for Islam and Christianity and it also serves as a key element in sacred ceremonies and rituals connected to indigenous religions. In the Oromo traditional belief systems coffee is assigned ceremonial rules as part of ritual of a ritual meal and is thought to bring blessings through innovations and prayer and parts of Wello coffee is thought to have spiritual powers to protect the households and it's very venerated in certain areas. In a woman's ritual known as Atete coffee is used as a symbol of penance for offences that have been committed and then in possession cults known collectively as Zar believed to have originated in the northern highlands of Ethiopia coffee is used to rid people of afflicted other afflictions and unwanted spirits and it's used to stimulate recitations and prayers. Beyond this religious context modern Ethiopian coffee ceremony borrows some pieces from these older practices and Ethiopia ranks as one of two countries that in which consumption is also very high. I think the other one is Brazil and as you can see the woman sitting there is sitting with a grazier with coal and there's grass on the ground a little bit of green that you see on the ground, sometimes there's flowers strewn in there and she roasts the coffee up on top of the coal and then the coffee is ground and brewed in the Gebena on the clay container on the right and it's enjoyed among neighbors, friends, people who drop in and it's brewed three times for additional leaf [phonetic] you have the time to stick around. It's the first, the second and the third brewing progressively it gets weaker, the coffee. The first is the strongest, the ABOL BUNNA and so there is quite a, you know, maybe one would liken it to Japanese tea ceremony or even Senegalese tea ceremony or Kenyan. There's quite a bit of cultural significance for coffee and coffee preparation. There are regional variations to how it's done, how it's consumed. Sometimes it's consumed with butter, sometimes with salt and also the Gebenas have regional variations. Sometimes the necks are longer, sometimes there's two spouts and, you know, there's all kinds of aesthetics involved in decorating the Gebena as well. There's also a lot of knowledge in Ethiopia about coffee cultivation and in different regions of Ethiopia and here we have Gebenas showing the different regions produce distinct kinds of coffees such as the Harrar, Yirgacheffe, Sidamo coffees. Coffees cultivated by small farmers so it's not a plantation activity and they have very rich traditional knowledge about its planting, its harvesting and its processing. Generally coffee is shade grown without fertilizer so it's organic and there are four kinds of production methods: forests, semi-forests, garden and plantation which is used to cultivate the coffee and so it's mostly entirely organic the way the coffee is produced. And after it's harvested, the coffee can be processed in two different ways, dry or wet, and washed coffee receives higher market's price and but most of the Ethiopian coffee itself the export of coffee is naturally sun dried. So coffee connoisseurs and there's a whole vocabulary to this just like Hawaiian. They describe Harrar, Yirgacheffe and Sidamo coffees in very specific terms: fruity, citrusy, aromatic, clean and bright acidity. So, those of you who are coffee drinkers might appreciate this or coffee with dark chocolate notes. These are the areas. There's more of places where coffee grows and, you know, with 6,000 varieties, genetic varieties I'm sure we're going to discover a whole lot more in terms of the regions that grow specialized coffee beans. Needless to say a lot of people depend on coffee for their livelihoods and the estimate I've seen is close to 15 million or one person in every five depends directly or indirectly on coffee for income. Ethiopia's coffee is I mentioned Arabica and this kind of coffee grows in drier climates in mountainous elevations of about 1,000 meters or more above sea level. It takes much longer to reach maturity, three to five years and it's the retail price is quite high, $15 to $25 per pound in the global market. The Robusta kind of coffee is more disease resistant so that's why it makes it much more easier to grow and it grows in much less time and in lower altitudes and this is the coffee that's used in most blends. I am running out of time. Okay, let me say just a little bit about the initiative itself. The initiative was begun by a group from Ethiopia. The person that was at the center of it was an IP law person in Ethiopia and his name was Getachew Mengistie and it came out of the Ethiopian Intellectual Property office which was established in 2003 and he partnered with Light Years, the group in Ethiopia, partnered with Light Years IP to examine this potential of the trademark possibility and basically they decided to take control of the brand by trade marking Harrar, Sidamo and Yirgacheffe coffees. There's a little bit of technical stuff there that maybe I'll skip over. What they decided to use as a strategic approach why they decided for a trademark versus geographical indicators it's a little bit technical so I'll skip over it for now but they did decide to pursue trademark. And this was very hotly contested. At the time Starbucks had already put in for a certain kind of coffee trademark and I think these two things were not related until they actually started butting heads, the two initiatives, and so when the Ethiopian initiative came up and they went to the patent office, Starbucks had already applied for this trademark and so then that's when the problem began. The initial response was that the coffee industry did not support this Ethiopian registry. They argued that the names had become generic terms for styles of coffee and the Ethiopian team realized very quickly that they couldn't push through this in a legal court system and they instead decided to go public with this and when they did, they mobilized, they sort of told the story to Oxfam and Oxfam was very well known for their, you know, decades long advocacy in the fair trade movement and so Oxfam decided to make this a very public affair. Around the same time there was the film Black Gold had been produced that showed sort of the state of farmers and their earnings and their lifestyle compared to sort of the coffee revolution and, you know, the way the coffee was being marketed on this side. He's snapping his fingers at me. Should I stop there? Oh, this is unfortunate. Okay, let me stop. Shall I stop? I'm stopping, Fenta. >>Fenta Tiruneh: I'm sorry. >>Dr. Heran Sereke-Berhan: I was just getting warmed up. >>Fenta Tiruneh: Well, maybe we compensate by... >>This has been a presentation of the Library of Congress. Visit us at LOC.gov. [ Silence ]