>> From the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C. [ Pause ] >> Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Library of Congress and today's lecture, which is entitled "Rebel Music: Race, Empire, and the New Muslim Youth Culture". This is being presented by the music division and the concerts from the Library of Congress series. If you'd like to learn more about our events, feel free to grab a season brochure and also visit us online at loc dot gov slash concerts. We're very excited for today's lecture, which features Hisham Aidi from Columbia University. The lecture is being presented in conjunction with the Library of Congress exhibition "The Civil Rights Act of 1964: A Long Way Struggle for Freedom" and also the Daniel A. P. Murray African American Culture Association, and the songs of America. So a bit about Hisham. He received his Ph.D. in political science from Columbia and has taught at Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs and also at the Driskell Center for the Study of the African Diaspora at the University of Maryland - College Park. He is the author of "Reploying the State", published in 2008, and was also a consultant for the UN Development Program's Human Development Report. As a journalist, he has contributed to publications such as "The Atlantic", "Foreign Affairs", "Al Jazeera", and [inaudible]. He has also been a Carnegie Scholar, and in 2010, he was a fellow, a global fellow at the Open Society Foundation. His most recent book "Rebel Music: Race, Empire, and the New Muslim Youth Culture" was published earlier this year in 2014, and without further ado, Hisham Aidi. [ Applause ] >> Good afternoon. Thank you all for coming. Thanks, Nick. Thank you so much for the invitation. It's a pleasure. It's an honor to be here. So I'm going to talk for about 45, 48 minutes, and if we have time, I'll show you some video clips just to illustrate some of the points that I'm making. You can hear me fine? OK. OK. Let me begin by giving you an overview of the book. This book grows out of a disagreement that I had over a decade ago with a French scholar Oliver Roy. Some of you have heard of Oliver Roy, known here as Oliver Roy. He's a well-known scholar of global Islam and the globalization of Islam. In 2002, when I was still a graduate student, Oliver wrote an article in "The National Interest" arguing that with the end of the Cold War, the only radical ideological alternative available for western youths today was global Islam, what he calls deterritorialized [phonetic] Islam, explaining how the dirty bomber [inaudible], some of you may remember the shoe bomber, Richard Reed, had embraced [inaudible]. Roy wrote quote twenty years ago, such individuals would have joined radical leftist movements which now have disappeared with the end of the Cold War. Now there are only two international movements of radical protests, the anti-globalization movement and radical Islamists. To convert to Islam today is a way for a European rebel to find a cause that has little to do with theology unquote. In other words, what he's saying is that the popularity of Islam among Muslim youth, among youth period around the world has to do with the crisis of the left. It has to do with the collapse of Communism. That there is no movement, no narrative of social justice. There's something to that, but it's not fully accurate, right. So I wrote a piece in response to him saying that that's not quite true. The idea of Islam as a post-Cold War outlet ignores the century-old interaction between Islam and the Black Freedom struggles of the New World. Islamic history and theology, as many of you know, have an appeal among minorities, have had an appeal among minorities in the West since the early 1900's. Some would say earlier, 1800's. Roy would go on to write a well-regarded book. Became a best seller called "Globalized Islam", 2004, and he responds to me indirectly saying, "Yes, racial minorities in the US have been known to embrace Islam, but that was a local American matter, not an internationalist movement." So this book is my answer to Roy a decade late, and I make several arguments. One, it's not true that the only radical or internationalist protest available to western youth today is political Islam or [inaudible] as Roy says. There is the Black Freedom movement in all its glory, from Brazil to the Caribbean to Harlem. The cultures and freedom of the African diaspora, the so-called Black Atlantic are inspiring youth movements around the world. Today, we have Black Panthers or Black Panther style movements in South India, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, and for my purposes, I look at Muslim youth movements inspired by the Panthers and Black Power, and there are such movements in France, Brazil, England, Greece, and Sweden. In Sweden, there's a movement called [inaudible], which is a, sort of a local version of the Black Panther party. [Inaudible], too. There is, as I said, at least a century of political interaction between black American and the Islamic world starting in the early 20th century. You get movements such as the [Inaudible] Science Temple, the [inaudible] movement, the Nation of Islam, and so forth that drew on Islamic history to build identity, mobilize politically, making art, literature, and in so doing, creating a rich internationalist heritage, what I call the Black Muslim archive. This archive, this history of Islam of the Black Atlantic, is attractive to Muslim youths today not only because it is the oldest Islamic presence in the west but also because of its progressivism, its radicalism. The Muslim political landscape, as many of you know, at least we're talking about this earlier, the Muslim political landscape today is dominated by conservative movements. You have the Muslim Brotherhood at the center right, [Inaudible] on the far right. If you're a liberal Muslim, liberal Muslims will gravitate toward Sufism, the so-called mystical branch of Islam, but where do you go if you're a young progressive Muslim interested in issues of race, inequality, anti-imperialism, and feminism. Why is there no Islamic left? This is a question one hears often from young Muslim activists, and I would argue that the Black Muslim archive seems to fill this political vacuum. To Muslim youths today, African American Islam, as represented by Malcolm X, offers a progressive, internationalist alternative. It links the local with the global. It connects struggles against racism, the struggles against imperialism in the way that no mainstream Islamic movement does. It also provides an entry, an alternative bridge to the west. I argue that with the end of the Cold War, and especially after 9/11, the Black Freedom movement is the alternative for young progressive Muslims. The third argument that I make is that music is a powerful lens through which to view these interactions in the emerging movements. Music disseminates black history, as James Baldwin once argued. It is through music that Muslim youth oversees, learn about Garvey and Malcolm and Black Freedom struggles. Music has long been used everywhere by youth to protest, proclaim identity, and interpret the world. But the dominance [inaudible] Islamist movement with its opposition to music has meant that debates about music and its permissibility and purpose are central to contemporary Muslim youth culture today. Today, music is the realm where Muslim diaspora conscious and identity politics are most poignantly debated and expressed. Last but not least, music is also a mechanism of social control. Increasingly deployed by states to quote unquote moderate Muslim youth. As a neuroscientist, Steven Brown argues in his book "Music and Manipulation", "Through its effective power and ability to communicate ideas, music can shape identity, ideology, and group solidarity, and states aim to control musical flows as a way to homogenize mass behavior," and what we're seeing in Europe and America today is that as Islam reflected cultural forms reach the mainstream, state officials, counterterrorism specialists are carefully watching, listening, wondering if these music flows are undermining national cohesion, and how they can be incorporated into a politics of counter extremism. So that's my preamble. That's my very long introduction. I just wanted to give you a general idea of the book. I'm trying to tell the story of the western encounter with Islam through the angle of black internationalism and music. I begin in Brazil, looking at debates about Afro-Brazilian protests, identity in music. I then look at North American cities, European cities, and then North African cities. I talk about various types of music - punk, rap, funk, [inaudible], samba, jazz, and [inaudible], etc., and particularly interested in how governments are trying to use music to promote a liberal Islam. Yet, today, I am going to focus on the historic relationship between Islam and African American music, the cultural and political ferment that has risen out of these musical encounters, and how governments, American diplomacy in particular, has sought to use jazz during the Cold War and hip hop during the War on Terror to shore up its position in the Muslim world. So Islam and jazz, I go to this in detail in the book. I talk about Eric Hobbs' mom and Eric Hobbs' mom, the late [inaudible] historian was one of the first people to note the connections between Islam and jazz, noting that the expansion of jazz around the world was similar to expansion of Islam, and that also he talks about the growth of Islam within the jazz community in the United States and the cultural effects that had. The story of Islam and jazz, to put it briefly, begins in the 1910's with the Great Migration. The cultural ferment produced by the Great Migration and the Harlem Renaissance would propel the rise of Islam and jazz, two forces that spread rapidly and concurrently in pre- and post-War urban America. And in a trend that still intrigues historians and music critics. After World War II, scores of jazz musicians embraced [inaudible] Islam, a heterodox movement that appeared in late 19th century India. One of the earliest figures was Art Blakey, who had studied in West Africa and embraced [inaudible] Islam, and in 1947, he formed a group called the Messengers, a 17-member all Muslim jazz band based in Harlem, centered around the [inaudible] Mosque in Harlem, right. This is 1947. The band was led by Blakey, but it included others, other artists such as the late Bill Evans, [inaudible] who passed away a few months ago, and then there were other artists, right. [Inaudible], the pianist; Kenny Clarke, the drummer; McCoy Tyner, so, who was known as [inaudible]; vocalist Dakota Stinton; Lynn Hope, and so on. In researching this book, I had the good fortunate of interviewing a number of these Muslim jazz musicians, [Inaudible] and others, and they all had a similar story, right. Their families migrated from the Jim Crow South. They arrive in the northern ghetto as [inaudible] young men, and in the northern cities, they're exposed to all these third worldist ideas and ideologies, right. [Inaudible] Afro-Asian Solidarity, and so on. And one of the people, you know, when I talked to these gentlemen, I would always ask, well, what drew you to Islam. Why Islam in particular, and one of the jazz elders I interviewed was Rasheed Akmed, who is in early 90's. Lives in Chicago, and is the patriarch of the [inaudible] Muslim community in America. He went to high school with Miles Davis, and throughout the interview, he'd say, "But I was a lot cooler than Miles." Right. And he said, "Islam, like jazz, gave us a way out," right, and this was a common answer that I would get. Jazz, like Islam, gave us a way out. Alright. Islam provided a psychological and cultural escape from the severity of the northern ghetto. Muslim prayer and dietary rules provided structure in a world suffused by drugs and alcohol. The Muslim faith and languages such as [inaudible] and Arabic opened up the cultural and political worlds of Africa, Asia, and then also struggling for self-determination. And by identifying with the Islamic world, the African American converts could go from being a downtrodden minority to being part of a global colored majority. Now there's an additional factor. Adopting a Muslim identity helped blacks in America sidestep legal racial barriers, especially down South. The trumpeter Dizzie Gillespie never embraced Islam. He would become Baha'i , and to this day in New York, there's the Dizzie Gillespie Baha'i Center for Jazz, right. He would become Baha'i, but he understood the cultural and political work that Islam did. He noticed that the converts who changed their names and dons turban were perceived as African or Middle Eastern and treated better. In his memoir "To Be or Not to Bop", there's a hilarious section where he talks about how when touring down South in the 50's, the Muslim band members could go into restaurants and bring out sandwiches for the rest of the group. The Muslims were served because they were seen as foreigners. He specifically mentions how drummer Kenny Clarke, who was Muslim known as Liaqat Ali Salaam, the only [inaudible] jazz artist that I'm aware of, had a W for white written on his union card, and that helped him get through certain situations as well. Gillespie was also impressed by the Muslims' discipline, artistic, and personal. He saw how their internationalist outlook how expand and regenerate their art and how their interest in Africa and the Orient opened up new musical vistas as church-raised musicians began incorporating Eastern rhythms into the syncopated structure of the blues and church-based gospel numbers, right. The [inaudible] as an example of this. He was a musician who would change the face of jazz, blending music from Africa and Asia with bebop, hard bop, and he would create the subgenre known as world music jazz. His story, again, is representative. Born in Chattanooga, Tennessee, he moves to Detroit as a boy, and one day walking around the [inaudible] market in Detroit, a gentleman, a fellow laborer, he used to work at the Chrysler factory, would give him an instrument, the [inaudible] telling him that King David used to play this instrument 5,000 years ago, alright. He would incorporate the [inaudible]. He would incorporate other instruments, the [inaudible] and so on, and, again, create us a new subgenre. The research on Islam and African American music sometimes begins before jazz, starting with the Reconstruction. The historian Sylviane Diouf, who's based at the Chamberg in New York and wrote the seminal book "Servants of Allah" on Muslim slaves in America. Argues, for example, she begins with the blues, and she argues that Muslim Koranic [inaudible] as it's called influenced the development of the blues, and in her lectures, she will play a call to prayer from Mali, and then Levi [inaudible] early 1900's blues song from the Mississippi Delta, and it's entirely possible that Koranic recital influenced the blues. But I begin in the teens, in the 1920's because I'm interested in the role of music and political mobilization, and it was with the Garvey [inaudible] movement in the 20's, and Marcus Garvey's Universal Negro Improvement Association that first produced political anthems and references to the Islamic [inaudible]. I refrain to Garvey as the child of Allah, [inaudible] and so on. From the 20's through the 50's, jazz absorbed Islamic influence at home and then abroad as it spread overseas. As many of you know, jazz was introduced to Europe by African American troops during World War I. In October 1918, the 369th infantry, the black regimen from New York, which included a 44-piece jazz band, led by James Reese Europe, one of Harlem's finest bandmasters, landed in France and sparked a cultural craze. The Harlem Renaissance would thereafter play out in Paris, sparking the France [inaudible] movement. Jazz would also percolate down to France's colonies in North Africa and begin to mix with local musical genres. So you would get jazz, these jazz clubs in Senegal and Nigeria and Morocco and so on. And in the book, I have a chapter talking about how jazz altered the musical landscape in the [inaudible] in the 1960's as itinerant American jazz musicians adopted the rhythms and instruments of the [inaudible] Brotherhood, which was then marginalized, making now a music which was then, again, very much on the margins, one of the most popular genres in North Africa today. And the impact of these, I'll come back in a moment to the impact of these jazz tours culturally. As jazz became the soundtrack of an [inaudible] America, policymakers and diplomats took note. After World War II, as British and French colonies gained their independence, they found themselves wooed by two superpowers eager to expand their spheres of influence. Washington's efforts were complicated, however, by Soviet propaganda, which tended to focus on racial discrimination and protests in the American South. And President Eisenhower, who had been rather complacent about civil rights, began to see that internationally, race was America's Achilles heel, and the state department began organizing high-profile jazz tours to alter impressions. The jazz tours were the brainchild of Adam Clayton Powell, the Democratic Congressman from Harlem, who conceived of jazz as a Cold War weapon after attending the Afro-Asian Conference of non-allied nations in 1955 in Bandung, Indonesia. Powell was repealed by the third world [inaudible] he heard, and the claims of the Soviet Union was better. It was more progressive on race than the United States. Upon returning, he proposed to the state department that bands led by Dizzie Gillespie, Count Basie, and Louis Armstrong be sent abroad to improve America's image. As Powell would tell Eisenhower, one dark face from the US is of as much value as millions of dollars in economic aid. Top diplomats welcomed this idea. The main goals of the tours were to bolster alliances and persuade non-alliance states that the US was different from European colonial powers and different from the Soviet Union, and in March 1956, Gillespie, Dizzie Gillespie and his arranger, a young trumpeter named Quincy Jones, embarked on the first tour. Their first performance took place in Iran where three years earlier a [inaudible] had reinstalled the Shah to power. Gillespie's 18-person band, 18-piece band performed in Iran before moving onto Syria, Lebanon, and Pakistan and ending in Turkey, Greece, and Yugoslavia. The jazz tour specifically targeted areas where Communism was gaining a foothold and zones rich in oil and uranium. As Penny Vonition [phonetic] writes in her pioneering study, "Sachetmo Blows Up the World", the tours often moved in tandem with covert CIA operations. The jambassadors, as they were called, were often dispatched as first responders to trouble spots. In 1958, for example, John Foster Douglas, extended a tour that Dave Rubik's band had taken into Iraq hoping that while the jazz ambassadors performed, US officials could help quall the discord within Iraq's, within the Iraqi army's ranks. As Quincy Jones, one of the last living jazz ambassadors, writes in his memoir, "They sent us to every post where there were problems. We got nothing but raves. We were the black kamikaze band." Alright. At one point, you know, [inaudible] would perform in Syria, and she would perform the Syrian national anthem, right, and it would make a great impression. Hold on one moment. Excuse me. On Melba, in Damascus, [Inaudible], one of the few women to participate in the tours, would learn the Syrian national anthem from a group of school children, and then perform her own version to the delight of local audiences. Likewise, also in Damascus, during a performance at a fair in Syria, Duke Ellington was hailed with shouts of [inaudible], long the Duke. And a running joke among the male ambassadors, the male jazz ambassadors, revolved around the perils of flirting with local girls, right. They wanted to sort of meet women, but they couldn't. Quincy Jones makes jokes about this, which I won't repeat to this audience [inaudible]. I was going to, then I was, like, no. These integrated bands visited the Soviet Union and parts of Africa and Asia in the Middle East. Their performances at generating good will and getting citizen [inaudible] to identify with the American way of life. The bands were intended to be symbols of the triumph of democracy with the jazz serving as an embodiment of America's liberal ideals and its improvisational pluralism and its universal race transcending quality. The irony, of course, is that these band musicians were deployed at a time when the US was still a Jim Crow nation, right. They're deployed to improve the country's image, but it's still a Jim Crow nation. There was such opposition to these tours at home that when the jazz artists were touring, state department officials at home scrambled to prevent images of the tours from reaching southern segregationists. In this task, ironically, they were aided by the [Inaudible] Act, the so-called anti-propaganda law, which was passed in 1948 by Congress which then suspected that the state department was staffed with Communists. The law prevented the output of the US information agency from being broadcast to American audiences. Nevertheless, the tours which ended in the 70's are widely considered a success. Harvard scholar Ingrid Mason speaks of the extraordinary success of the jazz tours. Pianist Dave Brubeck thought the jazz ambassadors helped end the Cold War. I'm not sure these tours brought down the Soviet Union, but I do think their cultural impact was quite extraordinary, especially in the case of artists like Brubeck, who met and mentored young musicians. In 2009, I was at the 50th anniversary of Brubeck's [inaudible] record. The album was recorded in 1959, inspired by a Turkish rhythm he heard walking through the streets of Istanbul. And I was there at the 50th anniversary, he brought on stage a number of young Turkish musicians that he had mentored over the decades, right. And there's a similar story of Randy Westin settling in Morocco and supporting [inaudible] musicians, and we were talking earlier, earlier this summer in May and June. I was in Cairo trying to dig into an Egyptian jazz history, and there's a long story there of collaboration between Sun Ra and Louis Armstrong and Quincy Jones with local artists. At any rate, the music that they would create was quite extraordinary. Duke Ellington inspired by his time in Iran would record a track called [inaudible] on his "Far East Suite" album, which I recommend. The jazz tours are deemed to have been so successful that they were revived after 9/11, but before I go into that, some more musical history. The intermingling between Islam and African American music would continue through the 20th century recording the social and cultural changes afoot. Beyond jazz, Islamic motifs and notions of pan-African solidarity have been heard in soul music since the 50's reflecting [inaudible] and Nation of Islam influence. In the 60's, as members of soul and R&B groups like the Delfonics; the Five Stair Steps; the Moments; Earth, Wind, and Fire; and Kool and the Gang embraced Islam. The ideas' intentions between [inaudible] Islam and Nation of Islam would find the expression in their music. An interesting, you know, individual who's at the heart of this is Kenny Gamble, right, in Philadelphia known as [inaudible], right, and he has brought, and he has long sort of infused his music with his ideas of self-determination and self-reliance and so on. With [inaudible] death in 1975, the transition from the Nation of Islam to [inaudible] Islam would also be reflected in the music of groups like Kool and the Gang. The two brothers who started the band, bassist Robert "Kool" Bell and saxophonist Ronald Bell, grew up in New Jersey, attending the Nation of Islam's Muslim bazaars, and they soon incorporated Nation of Islam ideas about the Orient and African spirituality into their recordings with songs like "Open Sesame" and "Ancestral Ceremony". After the Bell brothers embraced Islam, the references changed, and one morning after reading a [inaudible] in the Koran that celebrates life and the creation of man, Ronald Bell, [inaudible], wrote the track "Celebration". So it's one of the more interesting details I've discovered in researching this book as Bell put it. "So the initial idea for the song came from the Koran. I was reading the passage where God was creating Adam, and the angels were celebrating and singing praises. That inspired me to write the basic chords everyone around the world, 'Come on, celebration'." The song, inspired by Islam, would go on to become an international hit heard regularly at ball games and political rallies in the US and ironically was played by the Reagan administration on February 7, 1981, to welcome home hostages held by the Islamic Republic of Iran. The genre, however, that that I believe has absorbed the most Islamic influence is hip hop, right. Many of you are aware of this. Islamic motifs and Arabic terms have threaded the fabric of hip hop since its genesis in 1973 when [inaudible] founded the Zulu Nation. [Inaudible] Group came about in the Bronx in the early 70's to combat gang violence. Founded the Zulu Nation reflecting the range of Islamic and quasi-Islamic ideologies and cultures. It co-existed for decades in America's urban centers. As hip hop sidelined disco and R&B, the Islamic references would be channeled into rap songs and videos. The 1987 video [inaudible] featured images of [Inaudible], Muslim congregational prayer, and so on. In March 1991, the hip hop magazine "The Source" devoted an entire issue titled "Islamic Summit" to the relationship between Islam and hip hop. In that golden age of politically conscious rap, [Inaudible], Public Enemy peppered their rhymes with the Arabic phrases invoking Islam, you know, all kinds of [inaudible] and so on, and excerpted the speeches of Malcom X and Elijah Muhammad as the Five Percent, and then as the Five Percent Nation, an offshoot of the Nation of Islam. Gained [inaudible] in the 90's mostly among youth in the northeast. The movement's word play found, literally found its way into the lyrics of Gang Star [inaudible]. As hip hop went mainstream at about the same time, these illusions were broadcast around the world, and that's what most interests me, right. As with the globalization of hip hop, these illusions were broadcast around the world, transforming cultures and identities. Through hip hop, Muslim youth would be exposed to black history and non-Muslims introduced to Islam. Such is the prevalence of Islam in rap that for many white hip hopers in the US and Europe, acceptance in the hip hop community comes only with conversion to Islam, which is seen as a rejection of being white. By becoming Muslim, in effect, an individual can transcend his or her whiteness. Think back. This is reminiscent of the jazz musicians who when converting can get around certain racial barriers, right. The white rapper Everlast, for example, formerly Eric Schrody of House of Pain, claims that conversion to Islam allows him to visit areas in the country he could never go to as a non-Muslim white. Curiously, his espousal of Islam caused static with another white rapper, Eminem, right, who accused him of becoming Muslim because he has no skills and to deny that he's a confused white rapping Irish, alright. Worth noting as well is that it was also in the mid-90's after the first Gulf War that Islam goes global, not for the first time, but you see a reglobalization of Islam through migration in media. You get the deterritorialization of Islam that Oliver Roy talks about. The Saudis after the Gulf War, facing intense domestic opposition for hosting American troops, stepped up efforts to export their [inaudible] interpretation, propagating a supposedly authentic timeless Islam that is free of all cultural innovation, openly opposed to [inaudible] practice. And, of course, this is when the Internet enters the equation. So the globalization of hip hop and Islam converge and overlap with all kinds of cultural repercussions. In fact, one could argue that in the United States, it was hip hop that paved the way for the rise of the [inaudible] movement in the mid-90's. It was the Malcolm X fad of the early 90's marked by Afrocentrist hip hop and Spike Lee biopic that led many young Americans to read the civil rights leader's autobiography and become interested in African and Islamic history, right. And there, after the Million Man March, you get a decline of the Nation of Islam, and that interest would be channeled often into the [inaudible] movement, which in the early 90's was being propagated by young Saudi-trained American born converts who spoke perfect American English and understood the issues of social breakdown and urban exclusion that drew inner city youth to Islam, and some fascinating [inaudible] influences would seep into hip hop culture like the rolled up pant legs. In New York, they're called tread high water pants, right. The [inaudible] claim that the earliest Muslim wore their pants above the ankle, and you see that style. The Philly [phonetic] beard with a low moustache all would become popular within the hip hop nation among youth, Muslim and non-Muslim. The Philly beard would be popularized by, Philly beard as it's called, would be popularized by the Philadelphia rapper Freeway. In Philadelphia, it's simply called the [inaudible]. And these styles would be transmitted around the world. The British journalist Richard Ready says that across European cities, you can see what he calls the righteous look, like the untrimmed beard, the skullcap, the long-sleeved shirt with Arabic writing, right. And last year in Beirut, Lebanese rapper Hussein Charafeddine, known better as a Double A the Preacher Man, was arrested in Beirut by the Lebanese military. They thought he was a [inaudible] militant because of his beard. He's actually [inaudible]. So why you wear a beard? It's my Philly, he said. So this was the relationship between hip hop and Islam in the 80's and 90's. Hip hop would transmit black history around the world, and just as reggae in the 70's disseminated Rastafarianism, hip hop would broadcast African American Islam and all its variants. After 9/11, however, this relationship changes and begins to draw greater government scrutiny. The turning point I believe was when a young American by the name of John Walker Lindh was found behind enemy lines in Afghanistan in October 2001. Just how did this middle-class boy from Marin County end up joining the Taliban? His online postings, experts argued, offered a clue. In hip hop chatrooms, Lindh often posed as black, adopting the name [inaudible] or Professor J. Experts would trace this, the, this young man's journey, so called, to radicalism to the age of 12 when his mother took him to see Spike Lee's film "Malcolm X" after which he read the autobiography and began listening to hip hop. American and European officials would thereafter note the centrality of hip hop and Malcolm X to Muslim youth politics and argue that a moderate understanding of the Malcolm X narrative is critical to protecting at-risk Muslim youth. OK. Now I want to show you two clips. What do I do? Close this. So I'm going to show you just sort of twenty-second clip just to illustrate what I'm talking about. So this is Gang Star who's going to take the way. This is one of the earliest tracks that would have references to Islam, to Malcolm X, and that was a hit domestically, but would also go overseas, and its reference to this day by rappers abroad. I'm going to show you just a 15-second clip, and how it's inspired a certain kind of European hip hop subgenre. [ Music and Rapping ] How do I shrink this? Yeah. Let me show you another track now. This is. So when doing research for this book, in Europe, artists, Europe [inaudible], artists often ask me that kind of hip hop, '90, 1990's hip hop. Where did it go and so on, but you have that kind of political sort of Afrocentrist hip hop today in Europe, and I'm going to play a track by [inaudible], who's a well-known French artist, French Algerian who's a black powerwright [phonetic], alright. He has a beard, refers to it as the Afro underneath my jaw, and the track that you're going to see is he's imaging a conversation between Malcolm X and the head of the Northern Alliance. [Inaudible] on the day before their assassination. What would they talk to each other, and his argument is that they're both victims of empire and so on, but let me play a clip. But this is the kind of hip hop that the French government is worried about. This is the kind of hip hop that the French government's trying to counter by promoting more [inaudible] oriented rappers, alright. He's considered an underground artist quote unquote. Very popular, but he doesn't get much mainstream radio play. [ Music and Rapping ] OK. I apologize there are no subtitles, but the track is largely about this encounter with these two figures who are a product of [inaudible], who have risen in response to American policy what they would tell each other. At any rate, what I was saying is that, you know, with John Walker Lindh, something governments are paying close attention to hip hop, right. Let me close this so it doesn't distract you. So just to put this thinking on policy context. The American debate on extremism is jihadist violence falls roughly into two schools of thought, and one camp is a realist as the one camp is a coalition of realists, leftists, and post-colonists who think extremism is a response to an American policy or set of policies, and on the other side are those, neoconservatives and liberal hawks, liberal internationalists who think Islam's violence grows out of ideology and narratives and not just opposition to American action. This debate is ongoing, right, within the government and national security, the security community. And if the real is the first camp, advocate a less interventionist foreign policy, so-called offshore balancing as a way to prevent extremism, the liberals, liberal hawks who think the roots of violence are cultural or theological are more likely to advocate military intervention and social engineering. Regime change or modernization of some sort, and they spend a great deal of effort studying Muslim scripture and cultural traditions to find a way to disrupt the quote unquote narrative, right, and herein lie the roots of the new public diplomacy. Public diplomacy 2.0 that uses music, art, social media, and the discourse of diversity. And this debate maps onto yet another policy debate within the foreign policy community over whether Islamists or Sufis make better allies for the US. The idea that Sufi Islam is more moderate and flexible and compatible with liberalism than the interpretations of Islam that come out of Arabia has an old colonial pedigree and have found its way into American academia and the post-war years imported by European scholars who were establishing some of the first centers for the study of Islam in the US. During the early years of the Cold War, these scholars, liberal orientalists, argued that the US should support Sufi brotherhood to promote modernization and democracy in South Asia, Iran, and North Africa and to counter Arabcentric Islam. But the realists, who are less interventionist, who are more concerned with order and containing the Soviet Union, argued that the Islamist were more liable. They had greater institutional capacity and ability for social control. The realists, as we know, won that debate. So for forty years the US would support Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and the [inaudible] Muslim World League against Communism, third world nationalism but also against left-wing African American Muslim groups within the US. Alright. I mean, one of the diplomats I interviewed, they said back then we let the Muslim World League open up in America because we saw them as a good way to counter some of the black power movements and radical, the militant movements coming out of urban city, urban areas. And to this day, there's this argument that you hear that conservative Muslim groups, [inaudible] in particular, are seen as good for urban development with their self-help ethos and transnational economic ties. They're seen as able to stabilize the ghetto, right. This argument is ongoing. This debate is ongoing. I would recommend the work of Sally Howell, who writes about Detroit and Dearborn. She wrote a piece called "Competing for Muslims" on how local city officials actually want conservative Muslim groups because they help stabilize areas and so on. At any rate, that is the debate. That's been the debate. Historically, should we support Sufis or Islamists? After 9/11, however, as it became evident that [inaudible] weren't as apolitical or pro-American as thought, Washington began looking for a quote unquote moderate Islam to back, and would turn towards Sufism. Government agencies, the leading think tanks like Rand and the Nixon Center, began producing papers and policy memos on how to mobilize Sufism against [inaudible], and their ideas were put into practice. Both the Bush and the Blair government would begin to promote Sufism as part of a wider [inaudible] strategy that extended from West Africa to South Asia. In 2003, the National Security Council established a program called Muslim World Outreach with a budget of 1.3 billion dollars aimed at transforming Islam from within, quote unquote. And that is by supporting organizations and Muslim countries. Schools, radio stations, publications that were deemed moderate and compatible with democracy. This ideological project resembled and was in some ways modeled on the state department's Cold War strategy of supporting opposition currents in the former Soviet Union except that the post 9/11 campaign had an explicitly theological agenda to reform, aimed at reforming Islamic religious thought and practice. Music would play a central strategy, would play a central role in the Sufi strategy, as it was called, and this Sufi policy was deployed in a number of countries, not simply by the US and Great Britain. Sufism would be mobilized in Senegal, Morocco, Algeria, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Chechnya, and elsewhere. Given the [inaudible] opposition to music and Sufism's use of song and even dance for worship, music after 9/11 came to be seen as a quick and easy way to distinguish between radical and moderate Muslim, so called. It became a lifestyle criterion. And across the Muslim world where regimes, not just the US and Britain I emphasize, have sought to mobilize Sufism, Sufian-reflected musical practices from Pakistan's [inaudible] to Muslim hip hop, have been deployed to challenge Islamist narratives, to draw youth away from extremism. So it's within this context that we should understand the state department's music diplomacy over the last decade. Policymakers think music can convey liberal discourse, that can resocialize at-risk Muslim youth. So in 2005, the jazz diplomacy initiative of the Cold War was revived, and a program called Rhythm Road, a partnership of the state department, Jazz at Lincoln Center, and the Brooklyn Academy of Music, the under [inaudible], by Karen Hughes, the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy, introduced the program after being appointed by President Bush in the wake of [inaudible] and resurgence of the Taliban and so on. In 2005, state department begins to send out hip hop envoys, rappers, dancers, DJ's, to perform and speak in different parts of Asia and the Middle East. Different groups. The artists will stage performances, hold workshops. The hip hop ambassadors were Muslim, talk to local media about being Muslim in America, and try to quote, to try to correct the prevalent misconception that Muslims in the US are oppressed. That is what they're trying to convey, that Muslims in America are well integrated. For American diplomacy, hip hop is the music of choice for perception management as it's called and strategic communication with young Muslims. Why? Because of American hip hop's long-standing relationship to Islam. Because of that musical history that I was talking about. Neither hard rock nor heavy metal has the same appeal to Muslims, and if you look at the research on music and interrogation in the Iraq and Afghanistan, there is rarely a mention of hip hop with the exception of Eminem's track "White America". The songs used to breakdown detainees were almost exclusively hard rock and metal with tracks like Slayer's "Angel of Death", Drowning Pool's "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor", and DSI's "F Your God". Hip hop is used more for cultural persuasion. So it's not unusual today to read state department reports that speak of hip hop as a natural connector to the Muslim world and to hear planners call for the leveraging of hip hop in US foreign policy. The hip hop diplomacy, I must say, [inaudible] must emphasize, fits into a larger effort to showcase the civil rights movement and the black freedom struggle starting with the experience of African Muslim slaves in the American South. Policymakers can see that the war on terror and the range of punitive policies directed to Muslim communities in the West have pushed Muslim youth towards race activism and the Black Muslim archive. Thus, films like "Prince Among Slaves", about [inaudible] and African Muslim slaves who ended up, an African Muslim prince who ended up a slave in Mississippi, are screened at embassies. The 19th century narratives of Muslims enslaved in the South, the actual pieces of parchment with the Arabic script are now exhibited at diplomatic outposts, and there's quite a bit on Malcolm X in American public diplomacy these days. [Inaudible] report, authored by the intellectual architects of the Rhythm Road Program, claims that hip hop resonates with Muslim youth worldwide because hip hop's pioneers were Muslims who carry on an African American tradition of protest against authority, most powerfully represented by Malcolm. So jazz was deployed because it represents American inclusiveness. Hip hop is a diplomatic asset because it represents civil rights protests. Just to contextualize the current diplomatic interest in Malcolm X. Malcolm is central to Muslim youth consciousness today as you saw in the video. If Islam is the, if Islam is the unofficial religion of hip hop, as journalists like to say, Malcolm X is the prophet or at the very least the patron saint. His speeches are quoted. His dress and demeanor are imitated. If hip hop celebrates the rise of the outsider, the Nation of Islam activists awesome trajectory from street hustler to the global arena, rising above any and all states, free from the shackles of patriotism and national allegiance, fearing only Allah is riveting to young Muslims chaffing under state domination in the ghetto or its appendage, institution, the prison. Malcolm's religious and political legacy has long been debated among the Muslim youth. Is he integrationist? Is he separatist? Is he pro-state? Is he, does he not believe in the state? This debate is ongoing. What's interesting is that fifty years after his death, the Muslim conversation about the significance of Malcolm has taken a distinct theological turn, and [inaudible], as he is often called, is gradually becoming almost a saintly figure, a [inaudible] whose life offers personal and spiritual guidance. Shifts [inaudible] religious leaders now debate various aspects of Malcolm's life. His views on music, marriage, parenting, political participation, and so on. Whether he was influenced by Sufism or [inaudible] and so on. One of the reasons Manning Marable's biography of Malcolm X, which came out in 2011 was controversial is because Marable suggests that Malcolm had been influenced by [inaudible], right. And government officials are privy to this, right. American and British officials took particular notice of a video that al-Qaeda released shortly after Obama's electoral victory praising Malcolm's militancy and deriding the president. In response, American embassies from Nigeria to Yemen began sponsoring events on Malcolm's birthday, celebrating Obama and Malcolm X together, accenting their meteoric rise to international eminence and relationship to Islam, stressing that it was Malcolm X, a symbol of a vital and open America who made Obama possible. The British government also began to fund Muslim organizations that had a quote unquote moderate understanding of Malcolm, focusing on his transformation, following his pilgrimage to Mecca. Peter Manderville, a scholar who was a member, who was until recently a member of Hilary Clinton's policy planning staff, wrote that the resurging interest in Malcolm X as seen in the aggressive and confrontational lyrics of British Muslim hip hop acts has implications for national security. He goes on to praise the work of the British government in funding a counter radicalization hip hop project that sought to mobilize British Muslim youth around the more cosmopolitan impulses of Malcolm X after his break with the Nation and subsequent global travels. So various states, and I discuss this in the book, various states are trying to use hip hop and the legacy of Malcolm to socialize Muslim youth in a particular direction. Britain, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, and so on. And then, of course, when the [inaudible] began in 2011, many of these, you know, and, you know, when these revolts began, and the musicians were playing a prominent role, and hip hoppers were playing a particularly prominent role, American officials behind these programs felt vindicated, saying that it was state department hip hop initiatives and the digital diplomacy that had sowed the seeds of the Arab Spring. And for these liberal internationalists, you know, who think discourse is the problem and culture is a problem, you know, they would advocate the deployment of culture and technology even further. The debate about hip hop within the foreign policy establishment is fascinating. One of the odder phenomena over the last decade is hearing national security elites, terrorism experts, and career diplomats discuss the finer points of flow, bling, and the politics of cool. The realists like the leftists are skeptical of these [inaudible] initiatives, arguing that Muslim perceptions of the US are still poor. If you look at peer surveys, because of US foreign policy, but also because of domestic policies directed at Muslim communities. As with the jazz tours, the hip hop tours, and the state, as with the jazz tours, the hip hop tours and the state department's recent attempts to deploy the moral and symbolic capital of the civil rights movements have occurred against the backdrop of unfavorable media imagery. Of Koran burnings, anti-mosque rallies, and accusatory Congressional hearings, and, ironically, the current cultural diplomacy is inspired by the initiatives of the civil rights movement and civil rights era, so are some of the security policies targeted at American Muslims. The NYPD surveillance program is modeled on the FBI's ghetto informant program introduced in the 60's to monitor black neighborhoods. And also note the critics that while state department officials were touting the liberating effects of hip hop and Facebook on Muslim youth, the NSA was using these very technologies for surveillance and data gathering. Ironically, it has been law enforcement and national security officials who have raised the most poignant questions about the legality of music diplomacy. Sam Will Roscoff, a legal scholar who directed the NYPD's intelligence unit, notes that the cultural ambassadors sent overseas by the state department are selected according to a theological standard. It is generally Sufi oriented artists that are sent, not Islamists, and he wonders if this does not contravene the establishment clause, the Constitutional provision that says the government should not establish religion or take sides in religious debates, in this case, Muslim debates about the permissibility of music. Others are noting that these performances may violate anti-propaganda laws, some of which are still on the books. Performances are being uploaded online where they can be viewed and commented upon by American audiences, allowing for people to exchange views and so on. And although the [inaudible] Act, the [Inaudible] Act which actually prohibited [inaudible] broadcasting to America. So the [inaudible] was amended last summer to allow the BBG, the broadcasting board of governors that manages Voice of American radio liberty, it was amended to allow for broadcasting to domestic audiences, right. The reason it was amended was to allow VOA Somali language broadcast to broadcast to Minneapolis, right. That's one of the reasons it was amended. Yet, still, unless explicitly authorized by Congress, such online interactions between Americans and non-Americans may violate the publicity or propaganda writer on strategic communications. Some government websites, such as [inaudible] dot com, which is a department of defense sponsored North African affairs website, is designed to not allow for two-way communications, right. You're not allowed to post comments and so on. At any rate, that debate is ongoing. The hip hop diplomacy initiatives have sparked a debate within the hip hop community, more so outside the US over the purpose of the music, whether rap is protest or party music. Is it the soundtrack of, to the struggle or the soundtrack of American unipolarity? But even beyond hip hop, a debate about music and state-sponsored Sufism has been raging across various musical genres. And now [inaudible] rap and [inaudible] are getting attentions between Sufi artists supported by the states and Sufi artists reluctant to be part of that project. The whole debates about hip hop, Sufism, and Muslim extremism, I must say, has returned. It's come back again. You have former Islamists like [inaudible] arguing that he was partly radicalized by rap, NWA, and in particular their track "F the Police". [Inaudible] is a well-known British Muslim activist, and that, again, rap, that NWA led him to Malcolm, and then from there, he became a [inaudible] Islamist. With the emergence of ISIS, there is talk again of extremist rap and the need for a counter narrative. "Political" in the last month has run three stories on whether Obama is losing the propaganda war. If the state department is winning the Twitter war, and the supposed role of [inaudible] and radicalizing young Britons and getting them to go off to Syria and Iraq. What I'm most interested in the debate within the Muslim, various Muslim communities, the American Muslim community, British, French, and so on on whether to partake in cultural diplomacy or not because for all the risks they face and criticism they receive, Muslim American community leaders and artists still underline the necessity of such programs. The hip hop ambassadors, I should stress, have assumed some personal risks. In July 2007, Toni Blackman, the first artist to be appointed hip hop ambassador, who was driven in an armored vehicle, flanked by a convoy of trucks carrying UN [inaudible] to perform in the largely Muslim rebel held north of [inaudible], Ivory Coast. In January 2006, she was attacked on stage while performing [inaudible], Indonesia. She was shoved off stage. In November 2011, a hip hop dance troupe from Chicago was detained in Pakistan, and their venue, [inaudible], was pressured to cancel their show. Despite all this, many of these artists still want to do this because they see it as necessary for Muslim integration in America. There are Muslim leaders who contend that patriotically representing and defending your country overseas can dampen Islamophobia at home and help extract policy concessions from Congress. The critics, on the other hand, find such programs manipulative, using black music and the civil rights movement to rebrand America while the government is infringing on the civil rights Muslims, civil rights of Muslims at home and ordering drill strikes abroad. Don't think so. This debate echoes the disagreement of the early 60's between liberal integrationists like Adam Clayton Powell and Bayard Ruston and radical internationalists like Malcolm X and Paul Robson. Bayard Ruston argued that you do not criticize your country overseas. All that does is inflame public opinion against you domestically and alienates important domestic allies. And on the other side was Malcolm, who saw it as his duty to counter state department claims about racial progress. He called it propaganda, and he, like [inaudible] the jazz ambassadors. A similar debate is taking place among young Muslims in Europe and America today. The conversation about music and cultural diplomacy is a stand in for a much larger debate about integration, belonging, and America's role in the world. Thank you. >> This has been a presentation of the Library of Congress. Visit us at loc dot gov.