>> From the Library of Congress in Washington DC. [silence] >> KAREN JAFFE: I'm Karen Jaffe, head of the Young Readers Center at the Library of Congress. I'd like to welcome today the School Without Walls, at Francis Stevens' seventh grade. If you're seventh graders, raise your hand. Okay. Glad to see you. Thank you, Clay. I'd like to also welcome our special partner, Everybody Wins D.C., and their very special supporter, Target stores, who is making a copy of the book you're going to hear about today, March Two, available to you, each and every one of you, when you leave. Thank Target for that, and Everybody Wins D.C.. We also, of course, want to mention and thank our special guest, Congressman John Lewis, and Andrew Aydin, his co-author of March Two. They both have very busy schedules at the U.S. House of Representatives. Congressman Lewis represents the fifth district of Georgia. Today is really an historic day for all of us in this room, because you have had a chance to see, and I think some of you for a second time, the Library of Congress Civil Rights Exhibit. John Lewis is clearly one of the most courageous persons of the Civil Rights Movement, that this movement ever produced and we're very honored to have him with us. So, I'm just going to give you a brief, very short bio because you're really going to be hearing from him about his life, but I'll just put a few things in context. John Lewis grew up on his family's farm in Alabama, attended segregated public schools. As a young boy, he was inspired by the Montgomery Bus Boycott, and knew he wanted to be part of the Civil Rights Movement. As a student first at Troy University, and then when he went to Fisk University, he organized sit-ins. He participated in the Freedom Rides, and was chairman of the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee, called SNCC, which he helped to form. He also graduated from the American Baptist Theological Seminary. At 23, he was an architect and keynote speaker at the historic March on Washington in August of 1963. He and Hosea Williams led the 600 peaceful protesters across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama in March, 1965, but the marchers were attacked by state troopers, and the infamous confrontation became known as Bloody Sunday. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed him to direct the 250,000 members of the federal volunteer agency called Action. In 1981, he was elected to the Atlanta City Council, and in 1986 was elected to U.S. Congress, where he still serves. Congressman Lewis has won too many awards and honors to list them all, but it would be worth noting that President Barack Obama presented him with the Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in our country. Allow me to introduce Congressman John Lewis and Andrew Aydin. [applause] >> JOHN LEWIS: Good morning. >> AUDIENCE: Good morning. >> JOHN LEWIS: You're a beautiful group. You're handsome. You look good. >> AUDIENCE: Thank you. >> JOHN LEWIS: You look very good. >> AUDIENCE: Thanks. >> JOHN LEWIS: And I know you're very smart. >> AUDIENCE: Thank you. >> JOHN LEWIS: Now, I remember many, many years ago, when I had all of my hair, and a few pounds lighter, when I was in elementary school, middle school, high school. But, long before then, I remember growing up on a farm, in the rural Alabama. My father had been a sharecropper, a tenant farmer, living on another person's land. But, in 1944, when I was four years old, and I do remember when I was four. How many of you remember when you were four? What happened to the rest of us? Do you remember? Do you remember? >> AUDIENCE: Yes. >> JOHN LEWIS: Okay, good. Well, my father had saved $300, and a man sold him 110 acres of land for $300. That's a lot of land for $300. And on this farm, we raised a lot of cotton and corn, peanuts, horse, cows, and chickens. Andrew, this young man here, I've been his Congressperson since he was three years old? Or four, Andrew? >> ANDREW AUDIN: Three. >> JOHN LEWIS: Three. He would tell you the story that when I was a little boy, growing up on that farm, it was my responsibility to care for the chickens. When you read March Book One and Book Two, you know I fell in love raising chickens. Any of you know what they say about raising chickens? Any of you? I know some of you like to eat chicken, right? >> AUDIENCE: Yes. >> JOHN LEWIS: What, do you like Popeye's? >> AUDIENCE: Yes. >> JOHN LEWIS: Or Kentucky Fried? >> AUDIENCE: Yes. >> JOHN LEWIS: Or [inaudible]? >> AUDIENCE: Yes. >> JOHN LEWIS: Okay, and others, right? But you don't know anything about raising chickens. Well, let me tell you what I had to do as a young boy, growing up. When I was seven, eight, nine years old, I fell in love with raising chickens. When a setting hen was sat, I had to take the fresh eggs, mark them with a pencil, place them under the setting hen and wait for the three long weeks for the little chicks to hatch. >> I know some of you are saying now, "John Lewis, why did you mark the fresh egg with a pencil before you place them under the setting hen?" Well, from time to time, another hen would get on that same nest, and there would be more fresh eggs, so you had to tell the fresh eggs from the eggs that were already under the setting hen. You follow me? Do you really follow me? >> AUDIENCE: Yeah. >> JOHN LEWIS: It's okay if you don't follow me, it's all right. When these little chicks were hatched, I would fool these setting hens. I would cheat on these setting hens. When I look back on it, it was not the right thing to do. It was not the good thing to do. I kept on cheating on those setting hens. I would take these little chicks and put them in a box with a lantern, raise them on their own, get some more fresh eggs, mark them with a pencil, place them under the setting hen. I kept doing it over and over again. As a little boy, about eight or nine years old, I wanted to be a minister. I got all of our chickens together in the chicken yard, and together here, in this beautiful room. >> And my brothers and sisters and first cousins were lining outside around the chicken yard. Then, I would start speaking, or preaching. When I look back on it, some of these chickens would bow their heads. Some of these chickens would shake their heads. They never quite sit there now. These chickens tended listen to me much better than some of my colleagues and friends listen to me today. Some of the little chickens were just a little more productive. >> At least they produced [inaudible]. I had grown up there. We would visit the little town of Troy, visit Montgomery, about 50 miles away. Troy about ten miles away. Visit Tuskegee, about 40 miles away. I saw those signs that said, "white men", "colored men", "white women", "colored women", "white waiting", "colored waiting". They would go downtown on a Saturday afternoon to the theater, to see a movie. All of us little black children had to go upstairs to the balcony. All of the little white children were downstairs on the first floor. I kept on saying to my mother, my father, my grandparents, my great-grandparents, "Why? Why?" They said, "That's the way it is. Don't get in the way. Don't get in trouble." >> But, 60 years ago today, December 1st, 1955, I heard about Rosa Parks. For the action of Rosa Parks, and the words of Martin Luther King, Jr. inspired me to find a way to get in the way. Remember, my folks told me, "Don't get in the way. Don't get in trouble." But, I got in trouble. I got in what I called "good trouble". I didn't like seeing those signs that said "white" and "colored". White boys, colored boys, white girls, colored girls, white men, colored men, white women, colored women. I wanted to do something about it. >> So, in 1956, when I was 16 years old, some of my brothers and sisters and cousins, we went down to the public library, trying to get a library card, trying to check out some books. We were told by the librarian that the library was for whites only, and not for coloreds. I never went back to the library in the little town of Troy until July 5th, 1998, for a book signing for my first book. And hundreds of blacks and white citizens showed up. At the end of the program, they gave me a library card. >> So, in 1958, before 1958, 7, at the age of 17, I met Rosa Parks. Changed my life. The next year, 1958, at the age of 18, I met Martin Luther King, Jr.. Andrew would tell you, and March would tell you, these two books, that Rosa Parks, Dr. King and others inspired me to find a way to get in the way, so I got in the way. Just think, a few short years ago, black people and white people, young black students, young white students, black teachers, white teachers, black lawyers, white lawyers, they would be seated on a bus, a Greyhound bus, leaving Washington D.C. in May of 1961, the same year that President Barack Obama was born. >> We had to change that. We were beaten, we were arrested, we went to jail. I got arrested a few times. Beaten, and left bloody. But Dr. King, Rosa Parks, and others told us the way of peace, the way of love, the way of non-violence. Andrew would tell you that I had wonderful teachers in this poorly staffed, segregated school. And I had a teacher who told me over and over again, "Read, my child, read." I tried to read everything. We were too poor to have a subscription to the local newspaper. We couldn't afford it. My grandfather had one, and each day when he would finish reading his newspaper, he would pass it on to us. So, I read about Rosa Parks. I read about Martin Luther King Jr. >> And so the actions of Rosa Parks, the words, the leadership of Dr. King inspired me and changed my life forever. If it hadn't been for Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., and the Civil Rights Movement of the sixties, I wouldn't be sitting here today and talking with you, speaking with you. So, America has come a distance. We made a lot of progress, but we still have a distance to go. I say to each and every one of you, continue to read, and never give up. Never become bitter. Never hate. Hate is too heavy a burden to bear. We were beaten, left bloody, left unconscious, but I'm not bitter. We'll never hate. The will to love is another way. Andrew? [applause] >> ANDREW AYDIN: It's never easy to follow that. My name is Andrew Aydin, Congressman's congressional office, and I'm the co-author of March. When I was a kid, I was a huge comic geek. I was a nerd. I liked computers. Truth be told, my father left when I was about three, and I was raised by a single mother. And I started reading comics because it was a refuge. It was a place where I could see stories about justice, and people doing the right thing, people motivated by pure intentions, which, even at that age, I felt was all too lacking in our society, right? How many of you guys read comics? That's a pretty good number. You guys ever go to comic conventions? You ever been? >> AUDIENCE: ComicCon? >> ANDREW AYDIN: Yeah, right? You know John Lewis marched at ComicCon? He cosplayed as himself. Yeah, he had on his backpack from Selma, and the trench coat, and he led a march of kids through the ComicCon. It was a really moving moment, coming at the end of this journey, because- To put it in another way, when I was your age, if I pulled a comic book out in my classroom, my teachers would take it away, because at that point in time, comics were not seen as literature. They were not seen as something that was acceptable. But, not too long ago, Congressman Lewis came with me back to my own high school, to talk about their experiences teaching our graphic novels. I say that as an example of, change is possible in a brief period of time. So, I guess you're probably asking, at some point why John Lewis would write a graphic novel? Well, it started in 2008. I was serving on the Congressman's re-election campaign. And I admitted, as we were talking about what we were going to do after the campaign was over, that I was going to go to a comic convention, and everybody laughed at me, except for one person: John Lewis. He didn't laugh. He said there was a comic book during the Civil Rights Movement, and it was incredibly influential. It was called "Martin Luther King and the Montgomery Story," and it was used to inspire some of the earliest acts of civil disobedience. In fact, we later found out, it was actually edited by Dr. King. Doesn't that change your perspective of Dr. King a little bit? Dr. King, comic book editor? But it's true, and his edits that he submitted actually made it into the final version. And so, me being me and loving comics like I do, I was captivated by this idea. I was young. I was 24. I didn't know any better. I started asking, "John Lewis, why don't you write a comic book?" At first he said, "Oh, maybe." Which, if you ever get a chance to go into politics or volunteer or anything, you'll find that 'maybe' is a really nice way of saying 'no'. I couldn't give up on the idea. I really believed in it. Finally, after I asked several more times, the Congressman said, "You know what? Let's do it, but only if you write it with me." That moment changed my life. But, if there's a lesson for you guys, it's that if people are laughing at you, you're probably doing something right. Remember that then people tease you, or they think your idea is a little nutty. It just means you're a little bit ahead of your time. Now, for this journey, working with Congressman Lewis, it's been pretty incredible. He's been my Congressman since I was three years old. It's not the sort of thing that your single mom envisions you will grow up to do. It's not something many people would have even thought possible, coming from where I came from. My father was a Turkish immigrant. He was a Muslim, which is kind of a dirty word these days. But, I never really knew him, and my mother took unbelievable action to make sure that I had a good education, to make sure that every time I came home, there was somebody there, and to make sure that when I wanted to learn, I could always go to the library. That's why it's so important to me to be here. The Library of Congress is this incredible institution that those of us who live in Washington are fortunate to be able to visit. This is a place with so much history, so much invested in every stone that makes it up. To be in the building, every time, I always get excited. So, I'm glad you guys are here. I'll tell you, there's been some weird moments on this journey. Early on, when we were starting out, and we didn't have a book, we just had an idea, and I was working on it at night, because we have a day job, right? It's not easy. I'm going to go on a pilgrimage with a Congressman where he leads members of Congress down to Alabama. He shows them the sites, he tells them the stories. I get on the elevator and there's John Siegenthaler, which was Robert Kennedy's aide, and there's Ethel Kennedy, who was Robert Kennedy's widow. I couldn't help myself. I was like, "Excuse me, I just thought you might want to know. You all are in a comic book that I'm working on with John Lewis." Ethel Kennedy looked up at me with these big, beautiful eyes, and she was like, "That's nice, dear." You can understand what it meant to me then when a few years later, she called me on my cell phone to tell me that March Book One was the first graphic novel ever to receive the Robert F. Kennedy Book Award. Above all that, the most important thing is John Lewis' story. He grew up poor, and he never let that stop him. He was a little maladjusted. He was a little weird. It's okay. We all are, and if anything, we all need to explore those parts of ourselves, because that's what makes us unique, and in the end, that's what makes us successful. I want to point to a scene in Book Two, when you get a chance to read it. It's during the Children's Crusade. Many of those kids who participated were your age. If I'm totally frank, the status quo, the powers that be, they're more afraid of you than you are of them. You're free. You have the power to change this country, to change our society. It's just a matter of learning the tools, and having the perseverance and the commitment to make it possible. So, I thank you guys for listening. It's an honor to be here. Keep reading comics. It's great to have this in the classroom. [applause] >> KAREN JAFFE: If you don't mind, we'd like to give some questions. >> JOHN LEWIS: Yes. >> AUDIENCE: My name is Juneau Hackett. I'm in the seventh grade. My question for you was, when you did the march the first time, how hard was it when the officers, when they chased you back the other way, they made you get out of the way? >> JOHN LEWIS: Well, on that day, March 7, 1965, I'm 25 years old. Again, I had all my hair, a few pounds lighter, and I was wearing a backpack before it became fashionable to wear backpacks. In this backpack, I had two books. I thought we were going to be arrested, going to go to jail. So, I wanted to have something to read. I had one apple, and one orange. I wanted to have something to eat. Since I thought we were going to be in jail with my friends, neighbors, with my colleagues. I had toothpaste and a toothbrush. I wanted to be able to brush my teeth. We were walking in twos. No one said a word, walking beside a young man by the name of Josea Williams, one of Dr. King's staff. We get to the highest point on the bridge. We saw the sea of blue, of Alabama state troopers. We continue to walk. We come within hearing distance of the state troopers. I really thought we were being arrested, and jailed. A man identified himself and said, "I'm Major John Plough of the Alabama state troopers. This is an unlawful march, and will not be allowed to continue. I give you three minutes to disperse. Return to your homes or to your church." And Josea Williams said, "Major, give us a moment to kneel and pray." The Major said, "Troopers, advance." We saw his men putting on their gas masks. They came toward us, beating us with night sticks. Trampling us with horses. Releasing the tear gas. I was hit in the head. I thought I saw death. I thought I was going to die. 50 years later, I don't know how I made it back across that bridge, through the streets of Selma, come back to the church we had left from. The parent of someone just took me back. We knew we had to continue, so when Dr. King and others came and said, "We're going to march again. We've got a court order." President Lyndon Johnson called out the military to protect us. We finally made it, two and a half weeks later, from Selma to Montgomery. Hundreds and thousands of people, from all across America, more than 25,000 people came and marched with us. Black and white, Asian Americans, Native American, Latinos. [applause] >> AUDIENCE: I'm [inaudible], and if you were getting beaten, did you regret it, or did you feel like, "Oh my God, I'm making history or [inaudible]? JOHN LEWIS: No, when I was being beaten, I didn't ... No one likes pain. No one wanted to be suffering, being beaten. But, I felt it was part of the price that I had to pay to change things. Years later and years before, I was beaten on the Freedom Rides, in Rock Hill, South Carolina as we left Washington, D.C.. My seatmate was a young white gentleman. When we arrived at the Greyhound bus station, there was an attempt to beat us. They beat us, and left us bloody. Left us unconscious. Left us lying in a pool of blood. Many years later, one of the guys that beat me and beat my seatmate, came to my office in the Canon building right across the street. Came to my office, he was in his seventies, with his son in his 40's and he said, "Mr. Lewis, I'm one of the people that beat you and your seatmate." He said, "Will you forgive me? I want to apologize." The son started crying. He started crying. I said, "I accept your apology. I forgive you." He hugged me. I hugged him back, and I started crying. That is the power of the way of peace, the way of love, the way of non-violence. Those signs that I saw in 1961, they are gone. They will not return. The only places we would see those signs today would be in a book. In a book, in a museum, on a video. When people tell me nothing has changed, I feel like saying, "Come and walk in my shoes. I'll show you the changes." [applause] >> AUDIENCE: I'm [inaudible], I'm in the seventh grade. My question is, after you got arrested multiple times, what inspired you to keep protesting? >> JOHN LEWIS: Andrew, you may want to tell that story about me getting arrested and how many times [inaudible]. >> ANDREW AYDIN: Well, I think sometimes the historic record gets muddled as things go on. One of the things that's fun about March is that we get to set things straight. One of the things we uncovered that I think took all of us back, was the realization that during the first week of the Selma campaign, John Lewis got arrested four times in eight days. You've got to work to be arrested four times in eight days, to get in and then get out of jail. There was some gifted attorneys who were making sure that he was able to get out. No human being, during the movement, got in the way with such fervor. I'll let you finish the rest of it, but to me that's why his story is so important. For us, it's easy to say, "Okay, I tried it. I did it once. I did it twice. I did something." But to stay that committed, to fight that hard, that's something we all should aspire to. >> JOHN LEWIS: More than anything else, I think, I saw something that I felt in me that was not right, not fair. I'm not going to give up. As long as I could read, I was going to stand up, speak up and speak out, and try to do something. You get arrested, you go to jail, and you get beaten. Some nurse or doctor or group of people- no one helped us. When we beaten in Selma, there was a group of nuns [inaudible] that took care of us. [applause] >> AUDIENCE: My name is William. I'm in the sixth grade, and my question to you is, what was one of the things that you had to do ... What was your role in being one of the main leaders in the Civil Rights Movement? >> JOHN LEWIS: Part of my responsibility was to tell the story, just go out and tell the story. What was happening, how it was happening, and try to inspire people. We had to conduct what we called "non-violent workshops". You teach people not to strike back, to believe in the way of peace, in the way of love, non-violence. Andrew will tell you, we had what we called "road plan." You may call it "social drama". How to protect your body if you're knocked down. We'd go to a sit-in. We had the dos and don'ts of the sit-in one time. I was a student in [inaudible]. We'd tell them to look straight ahead. Sit up straight. Obey your leader. Follow in the teaching of Gandhi, and Martin Luther King, Jr.. [applause] >> AUDIENCE: My name is Max, and I'm a seventh grader. I would like to know if there was anyone besides Dr. King and Rosa Parks who inspired you when you were younger? >> JOHN LEWIS: That's a very good question, Max. Thank you very much. I had wonderful, wonderful parents. Wonderful mother, wonderful father. Sometimes I would be out and working in the field, in the hot sun, picking cotton, pulling corn, gathering peanuts, and I would fall behind. My mother would say, "Boy, you're falling behind. You need to catch up." I would say, "This is hard work. This is hard work." She would say, "Hard work never killed anybody." I said, "Well, it's about to kill me." My mother and my father taught me the dignity of work, and not giving up. Not giving in. They were persistent. They didn't like the idea of me getting involved in the Civil Rights Movement, because they were afraid that something was going to happen to me. My mother would say to me, over and over again, "Don't get in trouble." As I said earlier, I got in trouble but it was good trouble, necessary trouble. She couldn't even register to vote, until after the voting rights was passed. My uncles, my teachers couldn't register to vote. They were told they could not read and write well enough. They were lawyers and doctors, but these people kept fighting. They didn't give up. They didn't give in. They all inspired me. >> AUDIENCE: My name is David Smith, and I'm in seventh grade. Have you ever felt defeated, and if you have, what inspired you to keep on going [inaudible]? >> JOHN LEWIS: Well, it's a very good question. Sometimes you're knocked down, but you have to get up. Get arrested, go to jail. On the Freedom Rides, in May of 1961, the same year President Obama was born, in 1961, when we left Washington, D.C., traveled through the south, we were arrested. We were jailed. We were left bloody, not just in Rock Hill, South Carolina, but at the Greyhound bus station in Montgomery was black and white Freedom Riders, but we were seated together on a bus, in a waiting room, trying to get something to eat together, at a lunch counter there in the bus station. Trying to use the same restroom facilities. We made it to Mississippi. We filled the city jail, the county jail in Jackson, Mississippi. Then, more than 400 of us were arrested and taken to the state penitentiary. We stayed there for about 44 days. But we won, because President Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy, the Attorney General, intervened, and those signs came tumbling down. They're gone. You won't see them in Mississippi today. We had to continue going, going. So, I never feel defeated. I always felt, somehow, we were going to have a great victory. [applause] >> AUDIENCE: My name's Alisa and I'm in seventh grade. Throughout all your challenges in history, do you think these experiences made you weaker or stronger? >> JOHN LEWIS: I think what I've experienced during the past more than 50 years have made me much stronger and much more determined. Sometimes, when I'm even in the Congress, in a meeting or on the floor of the House of Representatives, I feel like I've passed this way once before. This is easy, in comparison what we went through during the sixties. Sometimes, Andrew, I guess, has seen harder. You just can never give up, never get lost in the sea of despair. You have to keep your faith and keep your eyes on the prize, on the goal. [applause] >> AUDIENCE: My name is Maggie [inaudible], and I'm in seventh grade. Did your parents support you in what you wanted to do, and if not, did that make you work harder in it? >> JOHN LEWIS: In the very, very beginning, my mother, more so than my father were very troubled that I was going to get hurt, or something would happen to me. She thought we would lose the land, that our home would be bombed, or burned. But, in the end, she became very, very supportive, especially after President Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act, because she could become a registered voter. Her father, my grandfather, could become a registered voter. And so she became a crusader that everybody should get registered and vote. [applause] >> AUDIENCE: Did you ever take pity on the ones who discriminate against you? >> JOHN LEWIS: Did I ever take pity? On the people who discriminated against me? I felt sorry, I guess, in a sense, and feeling maybe they really don't understand why they shouldn't discriminate against someone. Let's take this room. This is a store. This is a store, and everybody can come in, everybody. It doesn't matter whether you're black, white, Latino, Asian-American, Native American. Everybody can come in. You have a restaurant, you have a lunch counter, and only white people could eat at that lunch counter. How would you feel? How would you feel if you come into a store, there's a nice, shining fountain, saying "white", and then next to that fountain, there's a little spigot, just saying "colored". If you come and visit my congressional office across the street, you will see a photograph, a [inaudible] the photograph in the [inaudible] room, showing what existed during the sixties, and fifties, the forties. That's not right. That's not fair. You're invited to come in, but you're going to be segregated because of your race, your color. We have to try to teach people, and educate people to come to the point where we are today. [applause] >> ANDREW AYDIN: Do you mind if I just add one part to that? I think there's an integral part to what has happened in our society today stems from that fundamental conflict. Let's put it this way. When John Lewis first sat in, if they had actually allowed him to eat, he didn't have a dollar to pay for that sandwich. Play that out today. It's one thing to allow the integration of facilities. It's another to ensure that every human being has the means to patronize that facility, to pay for that sandwich. When you think about the conflicts today, think about not only the integration of the facilities, but the fundamental right of every human being to eat, to be treated equally, to have those same experiences, and have the right to earn those means. That's all I wanted to say. [applause] >> AUDIENCE: How did you feel about segregated schools when you attended? >> JOHN LEWIS: As a young student, I didn't like it. First of all, the school was poorly staffed, overcrowded ... The black school. We had the hand-me-down books, with other people's names in the book. We rode in broken-down buses. We passed the nice, newly built white school. I didn't like it. So, when the Supreme Court decision came down in 1954, I was 14 years old but I remember it like it was yesterday. I thought we would be going to an integrated school, with black and white students would be attending the same school, but it never happened for me. I was glad when the decision came down. It did [inaudible] kept pushing in change. We still have problems today that we must continue to work on. We're not there yet. Dr. King used to speak about the beloved community, where we lay down the burden of race. We're on our way, but we're not there. As young people, as young students, as you grow up, you've got to continue to do what you can, so no one will be left out, and left behind because of their race, their color, their nationality. [applause] >> KAREN JAFFE: We want to thank you so much, both of you. >> JOHN LEWIS: Thank you. >> KAREN JAFFE: It was a wonderful program. [applause] >> I'd like to have to school chaperones and faculty to help get the students up in an orderly fashion, so that we can give you the books from Target, and Everybody Wins D.C., okay? >> JOHN LEWIS: Thank you so much for having us here. Thank you so much. [applause] [background talk] >> This has been a presentation of the Library of Congress. Visit us at loc dot gov.