>> Laurie Allen: Welcome to this Connecting Communities Digital Initiative informational webinar for the grant to Libraries, Archives, and Museums. Welcome, and it's nice to have you here. We're going to start with just a little bit of housekeeping. This webinar is being recorded. And we ask that you please use the Q&A feature of Zoom to post questions. This webinar is for you to get your questions answered, so please don't hold back. If you're wondering something, chances are someone else is too. So please use the Q&A feature in Zoom so that we can, it helps us keep the questions organized to use Q&A rather than chat. So you can feel free to chat in the chat, but if you're asking a question, please use the Q&A feature. I am one of your hosts. My name is Laurie Allen. I'm here with Sahar Kazmi, Eileen Jakeway Manchester, Giselle Aviles. All of us are working right now in the OCI, in the Office of the Chief Information Officer. And we'll also probably be joined by Hope O'Keeffe, who works in our Office of General Counsel. Throughout the course of this program, I'm going to mention the website, the blog over and over again. And this URL at the bottom is where we're putting questions and answers for this grant in particular. So the Q&As, so if we don't go get to your question or if you ask a question that I don't know the answer to, we will post the answer in the Q&A on this blog post there at the bottom. So thank you, again, very much for being with us. It's nice to see you all. And we'll get, we'll dive right into it. So over the next hour, or potentially less if you all don't have a ton of questions, but we'll, we have that time. I'll start with just giving you an overview of the Of the People program and then an overview of the Connecting Communities Digital Initiative, which I'll call CCDI. Because this grant is part of both of those. It's part of the Connecting Communities Digital Initiative, which is part of Of the People. So I'll give you some context. Why is the Library of Congress offering this grant? And why is it offering this grant in this way? But for the majority of the time we're going to talk about how to apply for this Libraries, Archives, and Museums grant, making sure that we really try get to your questions and sharing a little bit more information about how you can learn about what the Library of Congress has so that you can think about whether this opportunity is right for you or your organization. Okay, so we are recording. And the recording will be available on that site. It will be available for, it takes actually, usually a couple of weeks to process. So I'll be, this afternoon I'll be uploading, linking to a couple of the ones that we've already done. But it will be recorded, and it will be shared with, on the blog. Okay, so let's get into it, starting with an overview of the Of the People program. Of the People, Widening the Path is a multi-year initiative, sorry, that creates new opportunities for more Americans to engage with the Library of Congress and to add their perspectives to the Library's collections, allowing the national library to share a more inclusive American story. It was made possible through a grant from the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation to the Library. And it's a four-year program, which means that this is, we're still in our first year. We're still in the first year of this program. So pretty much everything we talk about is going to keep happening over the course of the four years, and we're going to keep getting better at it. So in addition to hoping that we can make this opportunity a good learning opportunity for you, we really want to hear how the process is working. How, what your questions are so that we can make this program better over the next four years and really take the lessons to the Library more broadly. Of the People has three programatic arms. So one is the Internships and Fellowships Office. The second is American Folklife Center. And the third is the Digital Strategy Directorate. And the Digital Strategy Directorate is where I work, and it's where the Connecting Communities Digital Initiative has its home. So we'll talk about CCDI in a moment, but first just to spend a moment on the other 2/3, the other 2/3 we're not going to spend most of our time talking about. First is the Internship and Fellowships program. And they're offering a range of opportunities for young people or people of any age who are currently in, students to intern or have paid fellowships, paid learning opportunities, internship opportunities at the Library of Congress. There're, currently there are, I think something in the low 40s, a number of internships available through the Junior Fellows Program. I really encourage you to take a look at the incredible opportunities that we're providing for undergraduate and graduate students and recent graduates for, through the Internships and Fellowships Program. In addition, that's 1/3, the second 1/3 is through the American Folklife Center. So they're also offering grants. They're called Community Collections Grants, and they're supporting cultural documentation by communities. So that means public participation in the creation of archival collections seeking to support contemporary cultural documentation focussing on the cultures and traditions of diverse often underrepresented communities in the United States. So they posted a call for proposals, sorry, for grants, a note of funding opportunity for grants. They posted that a couple of months ago, and that application period is now closed. They're currently in the review process. And they'll be awarding ten grants through that program in this funding round. And then they're going to reopen it again next year and offer another ten. There will be three annual rounds of funding. And in addition to the funding for that program, AFC will offer training in cultural documentation methods, things like interviews and photographs and the preparation and management of digital files. And a big part of that is actually adding those digital collections to the collections of the American Folklife Center, really broadening the Library's collections by enabling communities to tell their own experiences from their own perspectives, to document their own experiences. So those are the two pieces of the program that I won't be talking as much about, but that you can hear, you can read and follow much more closely on the Of the People blog. So please keep an eye out for those. Okay, so now to the Connecting Communities Digital Initiative. As I said, this initiative is brand new. It's just getting up and running now. In fact, I'm just shepherding it into its, until we've hired the full-time staff who will be running the program for four years, the four-year members. And so we're hiring those now. In the meantime, though, the program is just beginning to get up and running. And it is inspired by the work that happened elsewhere in digital strategy, the work of LC Labs. They've been incubating innovative projects with technology. They've been experimenting with project programs like the Innovater-in-Residence program, which I encourage you to check out. That was what produced Citizen DJ, which is an extraordinarily cool remixing audio from the Library of Congress into samples to make them useful for hip-hop artists. Or Newspaper Navigator, which allows, it's an incredible resource. It takes the Chronicling America newspapers and actually pulls out the images from those newspapers and makes them searchable through a machine learning application. There's a lot of really, really cool programs in, that labs has been running. And so part of the Connecting Communities Digital Initiative is inspired by the work of LC Labs. However, it also has another inspiration. And that other inspiration is the communities around the country, specifically black communities, indigenous communities, Asian-American, Pacific Islander communities, Hispanic and Latino communities, have been gathering and sharing stories about their own histories. Creating their own collections or pulling them together insisting on their presence in a narrative of the American history that is broader and deeper, richer and more true than we might otherwise see. And so all across the country people are using technology to share their manuscripts, their letters, their archives, their photographs, music and film. And all the kinds of things that the Library of Congress has been investing in digitizing from across our huge collections. So the Library of Congress has been digitizing and collecting more digital materials for a long time, for decades now. And, you know, they're not always visible to folks who are documenting the histories within their own communities. And so the purpose of the Connecting Communities Digital Initiative is to make the Library of Congress's digital collections useful for and used by communities around the country, especially communities of color who have, whose materials are across and within the Library's collections. So that's the reason for the opportunity. How do we anticipate doing that? We have a number of funding opportunities. One is the Artist Or Scholar in Residence. There are information webinars about that and, that you can find online, and you can see the recordings or see new ones. And this is a grant application that's for an individual. So the one, the opportunity for Libraries, Archives, Museums is part of an organizational grant. So we'll give it to an organization or a nonprofit. The Artist or Scholar in Residence is for an individual artist or scholar. It's a two-year residency. So we'll, it's about $150,000 is the budget for that one. And we'll fund someone to engage with the digital library collections, demonstrate the possibilities. I'm really excited about that program. I hope that you'll share it and check it out. Another part of the program is a grant which you've probably seen for higher education institutions, targeting minority-serving higher education institutions. And in that grant, much like in the one that you'll hear about for the rest of this webinar, it's to support, up to $60,000 to support the development of a digital interface, publication, exhibit or experimental approach to bringing digital Library of Congress material together with a course, program or interest group that will make use of it for educational purposes at a two- or four-year higher education institution. So that's the higher ed one. And you can check that out on the website and also view webinars about it if you're interested. Okay, now to this one. So, first of all, it says "open now." But in, for all three of the opportunities through CCDI, this one, the grant for Libraries, Archives, and Museums, the one I just talked about, the higher ed one, and the Artist and Scholar Residence, we just on Friday afternoon were able to push the deadline for those grants back a month. So if you signed up for this thinking you had to get it done really soon, I'm happy to report that, as of last week, this grant will not, this opportunity will be open until December 17th. So that's been updated on the website. You can find it there. But this application is now due December 17th. So you have a little bit more time than you perhaps thought. And I'll tell you the truth is that we heard feedback from the very people we were looking to work with that institutions with strained budgets don't have time, didn't have time to get together all the things that they needed for this application process. So we heard that, and we extended the deadline. And I really hope that that helps and makes it a little bit easier. So, okay, speaking of what is all necessary to apply for this grant, let's get into it. Okay, the main place to look for how, for answers to questions about the grant is the notice of funding opportunities. December 14th, did I say something other than December 14th? >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: I think you said 17th, but 14th. >> Laurie Allen: Oh, my gosh. This has come up very many times. I will tell you the truth, December 17th is my sister's birthday. And it has been so engrained in me to say December 17th that I have made this mistake. I'm so sorry everyone. The deadline for applying is December 14th. I really apologize, December 14th. Oh, sorry about that. Okay, the other deadline is December 21st for the Artist and Scholar in Residence. And I'll just say that my birthday is December 23rd. So this has become, this has been a problem many times on both of them, and I'm just really sorry. Okay, December 14th is the deadline for applying. And I believe it's right on the website. So, my goodness, it's probably worth a try, worth double checking. But here we go. The answer to questions about how to apply for this Notice of Funding Opportunity is to read the Notice of Funding Opportunity. It is a long document. I'm going to go through it with you to help you kind of get a handle on what it's really saying and what we're really asking for. What is being required of you and which places you need to sort of check the box and say, yep, I saw that. And which places do you need to actually really do something? And what is that? So we're going to go through it today. But that's really where the answers are. So read the full Notice of Funding Opportunity. It has a lot of sections, but you definitely want to pay attention to the program description. That's Section A. That stuff's really important. It's about why are we doing this? And what do we think is going to happen? The eligibility requirements to make sure that this is a good, that this opportunity, that you're eligible. And then Section D is really a bunch of the meat of the application. It's what do you actually need to put into your package to submit? And then Section E is about, what is the Library going to be looking at when they review applications? And what actually gets awarded? So those are the sections to really call out and pay attention to. And let me go through them one by one. Oh, sorry, first, how to get to them. So in order to get to the Notice of Funding Opportunity, you can go through grants.gov, but I encourage you to start with the Library's website, to start with this Of the People blog and then click on the link to the grant for this page, because on this page you'll find lots more information. It's the same information, but it's a little bit more condensed. It's a little easier to look through. The questions and answers are drawn from real questions that we really get. So if you're wondering something, those question and answer spot is a great place to start looking. But in order to get to the Notice of Funding Opportunity, you need to click, visit this link, which is here, and it's all over the website. Visit the notice on grants.gov and click on "Related Documents" and download all forms. So here's the grants.gov. You click on "Related Documents," and you get this download of the Notice of Funding Opportunity. So here it is as you see. It has the sections. The, you know, Section A is the program description. Section C is that eligibility. D is this long section that's about what do you actually need to submit. And then E is application review. What are we going to review? What are we going to look for? And, as you can see, project, Section F is like, once whoever has the award, what are they going to have to report on? So those are the sections. Let's get through them. Let's start looking closely. Okay, purpose. So why did the Library of Congress do this? So what's the purpose? The Library of Congress will expand the connections between the Library and diverse communities and strengthen the use of Library of Congress digital collections and digital tools. The Library of Congress seeks to award a grant to support the creative and wide-ranging use of Library collections and the connective powers of technology to serve black, indigenous, Hispanic or Latino, Asian-American and Pacific Islander or other racial and ethnic minority populations within the United States in sharing stories about America's past, present, and future. Projects funded through this program will use items from the Library's digital collections and may describe, display, and remix them in keeping with copyright and other laws in whatever ways are most valuable to their own context. So for this grant, technology can be simple, or it can be complex. Successful applicants may develop new technologies, or they can make use of existing platforms and tools or approaches. So social media or multimedia productions. The important factor is the connections it enables in communities and the impact of the project on its creators, users, and audiences. I know that reading slides out loud isn't the most popular thing, but I think this part of why are we doing this and what do we expect helps people get a sense of what we're really looking for. The important factor is the connection it enables in communities and the impact of the project on its creators, audience, and users. You can make, there are all kinds of complex or simple ways to use technology. And we just want to see you describe, display, or remix collections in whatever ways are most valuable to their own context, as long as it's in keeping with the law. Okay, so what are you actually going to get the money to do? Well, design and implement digital projects. So that's interfaces, exhibits, multimedia productions or publications that use digital library materials from the Library of Congress and engage black, indigenous or other community members of color. And just to note, the funded project will not be incorporated into Library collections or hosted on the Library's technical infrastructure. So, okay, who is, so that's Section A; right? What's this about? Section C, the eligibility information. Who is this particular grant for? Libraries, archives, museums or community archives. And you have to be nonprofit or unit of state or local government or federally recognized tribal community or tribe. Okay, that's the eligibility. There's other things in the eligibility section, but they're, those are the big ones. Okay, Section D. Section D, as I said, is the long one where we say, what does an application need to include? So an application needs to include, starts with this DUNS number. So you have to go to a place called SAM.gov and register your entity, register your organization. And the reason we have it first is because it can take a few days or even longer, maybe a week or so. I can't estimate. It's not done by the Library, but it can take a couple days, so we encourage to you start the process by getting a DUNS number and registering with SAM.gov. And there's information about how to do that on the web site and all over the place. Getting a DUNS number should be free. There are free ways to do it. So just making sure that you follow the links and get that number, because we need it for, we can't make an award without it. You need the proposal narrative. We're going to talk a lot more about what's in that proposal narrative in a moment. Budget plan worksheet and budget narrative. And then a short form. Okay, let's talk about the proposal narrative. So this is where you tell us what you're planning to do and what's going to happen. So there's a required cover page. You have to describe your organization. So what kind of place is this? Who is going to work on this project? And then a detailed description of the project, which we are pretty specific about what we mean there. A description of past activities. And that's where you can include links or, you know, news articles about something your library or archive or museum has done in the past that's relevant. And then there's another section that says "Other Information, Conditional." And that's a section that's really for where, if your organization meets certain requirements, then you have to fill that Section 6 out, we need more information. Otherwise you don't have to include it. Okay, so the detailed description of the project. So give us a description of who's going to be served? Who's, where are you? What communities will be impacted by this? What will you do? Description of planned activities and how they'll make a difference. What from the Library of Congress do you think that you'll use? And will you be mixing in any local collections? Why did you choose the technologies that you chose? What are you going to do that is digital? And why? That doesn't mean that, fancier the better. It just means, why are you using the technologies that you're using? And then, once you've done it, how will the outcomes be shared? So who will learn about it and how? So will you be having an event or anything like that? Which isn't required, but we want to know what the plan is. And then a work plan, which is really just a timeline. What will happen when over the course of the project? Okay, so that's the narrative. And that's eight pages. It's described as being eight pages. You can add appendices. So if you've got project staff and you want to include their resumes, which I think we ask that you do, those can go into appendices. But the eight pages is for all that information. Okay, so now the budget. There's two pieces to the budget. One is a budget plan worksheet. That is, it's a spreadsheet. It's an Excel spreadsheet that you'll, that's available with the NOFO on grants.gov. You just download it when you download the Notice of Funding Opportunity. It's a spreadsheet. It has categories like salary, wages and benefits. Travel. Equipment. Supplies. Contractual and other costs. And then, so that's, you use the spreadsheet to tell us where the money will go. And then you have to write a budget narrative, which basically just tells us the same thing but tells us what actually the money's going to go to and how does it connect to the proposal so that we make sure that the budget part and the proposal part match up and make sense together. So that's the budget narrative. And then there's a form, it looks like this. It's a pretty straightforward form. But it will, yeah, so this is the last piece. And then, and this is another one of these questions, things we get in the Q&A all the time. You have to e-mail your grant application. So rather than applying through grants.gov, once you have all the pieces of an application, you send them to us via e-mail to this address here. And that's when we will [inaudible], and that's how we'll get them. We don't use grants.gov for applying. Okay, so this webinar is being recorded. I pointed you to the website. I'll call attention to the fact that you can also e-mail questions to LOC-Grants@loc.gov, as long as you include this subject, which is the grant number for this, sorry, the Notice of Funding Opportunity number, oops. And then we'll, we're, just I just uploaded a bunch of Q&As today that we've already gotten to the blog. So thank you for those. Okay, let's get to some questions. Please, please fill out the Q&A with questions. And if there aren't questions, I'll go through some of the, what does the Library have? But hopefully there are some questions. >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: Hey, Laurie. We have one sort of comment in the Q&A right now about a project that has sort of just nearly missed the call for the community collections grants. I don't know if this person wants to follow-up with a question or just wanted to share that. It does sound like an amazing project. >> Laurie Allen: Yeah, so I will say the community collections grants will be reissued. And I can't give you a precise date on that. But there is, you know, this round was the first round, and there will be two more rounds for this grant opportunity. So the community collections grant from American Folklife Center is, will be issuing another call. And I know they got a number of really great applications. So I'm sorry to hear that you missed it. And they'll be reissuing. And if you think that it's an appropriate, if you think the project is an appropriate one for this opportunity -- that is, if it reuses Library of Congress -- -- through the Library of Congress, I'm sorry, yeah. If you're going to be reusing Library of Congress collections, that is, then maybe this a good opportunity. You know, just read the NOFO closely to see. Otherwise that, the American Folklife Center will be reposting. >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: Awesome. Thank you for that additional context, Laurie. So we do have a question right now from someone who wants to know more about the use of the term "communities" and "community archives." Because it seems to imply, according to this person, that the community has to be geographically located and from an institution. But this project team is dispersed. And although they normally apply through an institution, the community is Latino. >> Laurie Allen: Thank you. I really appreciate this, and it's, we have gotten questions about whether communities always are, have to be in the same place a number of times. And it's helping me realize that we probably want to refine that in future versions of this. We don't see communities as being geographically based necessarily at all. So a community, you know, if the members of the community share an understanding that they're in the same community, and, I mean, I think one of the really exciting things about technology is that it allows for community coalescing around online spaces or through any kind of means. So I certainly wouldn't limit the term "community" to geospatial communities. I will say that in terms of the organizational types, so "community archives" is a term that is, does not, it doesn't necessarily mean like neighborhood archives. I think, in fact, one of the members of our advisory board is up for this program. Samip Mallick, for example, is the Executive Director of the South Asian American Digital Archive. And I would say that, you know, he is very active in conversations about community archives. And the South Asian American Digital Archive is a digital archive. So it's a community archive online. And so that certainly is inside the bounds of what we're describing. And the term "community archive" is certainly one that we want to interpret broadly. I hope that that helps. That said, there does need to be an organization that is applying for this, because this is an organizational grant. So it would need to be some entity. >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: Thanks, Laurie. We've had one question come in through the chat, and I'm happy to address it here. Just for future kind of tracking purposes, it is easier to put things in the Q&A panel in Zoom. And let me know directly if you have questions about accessing that. So this is actually a great segue unless there are more questions that come in, because this question is asking for examples of types of projects that the Library would use, serve as part of this call for proposals. >> Laurie Allen: Great question. Okay, we have actually, again, in the Notice of Funding Opportunity, there is a list of, you know, these are meant to inspire and absolutely not limit. So ideas meant to inspire and not limit, but we did, knowing that it's really easier to see ideas. So these are some ideas of what we could imagine. For example, a small-house museum might be awarded funds to create a lightweight digital exhibit for their gallery that showcases Library of Congress materials along side others that complement their collections and focus and invite participants to add their own digital collections. That's like an idea of something that might be done. Or maybe a public library has already been keeping a local database that speaks to the histories of local immigrant communities. And in this case they will use grant funds to expand the resources by including Library of Congress materials that speak to the same histories across the country or even in that area. So you can see these are pulled directly from the Notice of Funding Opportunity, and I hope that they are useful for that sort of inspiration there. >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: Thank you, Laurie. So the next question might be directed for Hope. It's about copyright and broadly about which guidelines the Library of Congress has for copyright [inaudible]. >> Hope O'Keeffe: It's hard to answer that in the abstract. I'm aware of both of those. We do allow some thumbnail sharing on our website, but it's, but the fact that it's a thumbnail does not automatically mean that it's permissible if it's not appropriately described in the collection, if that makes sense, if it's not appropriately described in the text. So we don't allow even thumbnails of images that are purely there for entertainment and not because we're talking about the image or because the image is, needs to be relevant to it, if that makes sense. We generally, to the degree that you are using images that are on the Library's website -- because the whole purpose of this grant is to talk about our digital collections -- that it's on our website and you can access it as a thumbnail or if it's on our website and you can access it in full size, you can assume that it's been cleared for copyright for purposes of your project. And there's, it's in the chat, it's not in the chat yet. There is guidance on our website specifically on copyright in general, but. >> Laurie Allen: Yeah, thanks, Hope. >> Hope O'Keeffe: But the other thing that I would say is that copyright clearance is an appropriate part of your budget, to the cost of getting permissions or obtaining rights. >> Laurie Allen: Yeah, thanks, Hope. This is making me think that we, that I want to make sure to add that to the Q&A on the three grant pages. Because I think the question of, I mean, I think what you just said sort of, if you're able to access the images from a public website, then they are legal to be shown on our website at least. And there's some information there about what you can do with them. So that's, I think we just want to, yeah, follow-up on that. Thank you. >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: Thank you, Laurie. So the next question is pretty specific about whether or not a project that proposes the digitization of a local collection for showcase, I think with having some kind of a relationship or touch point with the Library of Congress collection, whether or not that would be in scope for this grant? >> Laurie Allen: I, so I think I have to follow-up. I think that, I know that the Mellon Foundation has some prohibitions on using funds for digitization. And I just need to be, I just need to double check. I believe that, as long as the, you know, if a grant is, you know, most of the money's going to digitize your local collection and a very small part is like, and here's a few pictures from the Library of Congress, that's probably not going to be as compelling in terms of the ways that we evaluate projects than one in which the Library's collections are really, are having a big impact on the project. So that isn't to say, I don't believe they're, you're not, like, if, you know, digitizing a small part of local collections is important, I think it's allowed, and I'm just not 100 percent sure. And so I want to make sure that I follow-up on that. But I think the purpose needs to be, you know, it can't be just a little Library collections and a lot of the other thing if all your money is going to digitization. I hope that answers that. Yeah, no, I see the follow-up. Thank you. Yes, that sounds great. Yeah, as far as I know, it's okay. I will just need to really read the NOFO, Notice of Funding Opportunity closely to make sure that it doesn't say digitization is out, but I don't remember it saying that, which means I think it's fine. And I just need to be, I'm like a little nervous. But I, you know, there's no theoretical reason why it's not okay. >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: That's all the questions at the moment. Oh, we got a few more coming in. All right. To what degree are we looking for applicants to use Library of Congress collections for the grant? And then there's some more specific questions about, how many materials would make it eligible? How central they need to be? And access to a Library of Congress librarian to talk more about any national materials that might speak to their topic of "urban renewal" in quotes and red lining policies. >> Laurie Allen: Okay, this is a great segue to the next piece. So in terms of the Library of Congress' collections need to be central versus supportive, I think I'll just point you to the Notice of Funding Opportunity, the kind of where is the, sorry, I'll, to the, what are we considering? What are the factors for consideration when we look at applications? But certainly that, you know, what we're looking for is impact on the community. And you have to use Library collectins, but it doesn't say you have to primarily use Library collections. It just says impact on the community. So I would point you to those, you know, the, like I said before, we wouldn't want the use of the collections to just be, you know, very slight of the Library of Congress's collections, but I don't think that, we're not measuring here. I don't think that's anyone's interest in sort of, yeah, we're not measuring. So, okay, onto the second part of your question, because I want to point to a couple places. So one is we do have these really great guides, and they're made by curators and librarians across the agency who have this real deep expertise. I would absolutely encourage you to take a look at the guides.loc.gov interface. And, you know, we have really great guides to what's available from the Library. And so, you know, here are a couple of examples. Jazz Research at the Library of Congress. Here's, you know, collections that you can look to or be interested in. Or here's one about Native American Spaces, Cartographic Resources, which I love this guide and what it offers. Another here about Filipino-American Materials. So there's a lot of really, really valuable guides. And, yes, there is an ask-a-librarian-service. It's a fantastic service staffed by people. So there are people on the other end of this. Librarians from across the Library or librarians who have great expertise who are available. You can send in questions for the ask-a-librarian service, and folks will help point you in the right direction. And it's a really great service. I very strongly encourage folks to take a look at that. Yeah. So are there more questions that we can -- >> Eileen Jakeway Manchester: Not at the moment. But I'm so glad that that question was asked because it really is, ask a librarian is a fantastic service that I think will be helpful here. But also, just more generally, if there are ever questions about our collections, it's a really fantastic resource. >> Laurie Allen: All right. Well, I'm going to hope some of are you typing, pulling together your questions now. But, and, again, we'll post this webinar and the others. And the time is now December 14th. So they've got a little bit more time. All right. Not seeing anymore questions. Thank you all -- oh, great. Thank you all so much for joining us. And please, you know, reach out with, you can e-mail that CCDI -- let me go back, whatever -- the e-mail address that I will find in one moment -- with specific questions. And we, I really hope that some of you will submit applications. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh, I see a couple more questions came in. I'll try to grab those. One is about funder's, you know, the specifics of copyright and expectation of sort of, how much do we know? What I'll say is this is the first year, the first time that the Library of Congress has offered this grant opportunity. I think we, I can say we tried to be absolutely as clear as possible about what we wanted in the Notice of Funding Opportunity. You know, it's, we certainly do want, we didn't, there's nothing that we know that we didn't put in the Notice of Funding Opportunity as clearly as we could. There's no, you know, secret agenda. That said, there might be things that are not clear and that we'll learn for next year. And we would love to hear feedback on the process and what is and isn't clear and what's confusing. In terms of copyright, it's a tricky, you know, it's a tricky field, but we certainly really want, you know, where it is okay to use our collections, we really want to see them used. So and the information about copyright's on the website. We don't read drafts. We can't. The Library of Congress does not provide individual review of drafts. It's not a thing that we're set up to do, so we're not going to do that in this case. And then there's a question about, how do your international collections connect with this grant opportunity? And what I would say is I think there are many possible ways that they could. And we're going to leave that to applicants to help us see those connections. I think so much of this whole grant opportunity is about finding connections we might not have otherwise seen. And so we're really interested to see what connections come in through applications and what connections people see when they look the our collections. Thank you all so much. [ Music ]