>> Peter Vankevich: Good morning. If everyone wants to take their seats, we'll get started in a moment. Welcome to our fiction stage. I think one of the finest of those wonderful National Book Festival. My name is Peter Vankevich. I have been fiction manager for many years, but I worked 30 years at the Library of Congress, and I'm the last standing person be a volunteer for every one of them, so I'm very -- one of my proudest accomplishments. I live in North Carolina. This is my homecoming weekend here. So, we're going to have a wonderful day here. This is the best part, and we've got some fantastic writers. I do want to introduce Mare Arana, my good friend. She's the literary director for the National Book Festival and welcome. [ Applause ] >> Mare Arana: Thank you and welcome to all of you. This is a grand occasion every year. The Library of Congress puts on a very big show for you. I hope you have a chance to go down -- we're very grateful to our sponsors and our donors, and I hope you have a chance to go down to the expo floor and thank them personally, because you're able to come to this wonderful free event because of their generosity, And, really no amount is too small. If you're willing to give to the Library of Congress' National Book Festival, please, I invite you to do so. We love your support, and we love to see your faces here every year. It's a wonderful, wonderful event. It's a great lineup this year. I always think that every year it's the best it could possibly be and then it gets better. So, wonderful to have you with us. It's now my pleasure to introduce the Librarian of Congress, Carla Hayden. Dr. Hayden was sworn in as the 14th Librarian of Congress on September 14, 2016. She was nominated by President Barack Obama, and she came to the Library of Congress from the Enoch Pratt Free Library in Baltimore, wonderful library if you don't -- yes-- [ Applause ] Where she was for 23 years the CEO. So, she is, I don't think it's been -- it's probably a hundred years, since we've had a librarian be the Librarian of Congress, so we're very proud. [ Applause ] One of Dr. Hayden's primary goals is to make the Library of Congress accessible to all Americans through its website, check it out loc.gov, through its exhibitions and reading rooms we invite you to come. It's a public place. It is your library. So, and with grand events such as the National Book Festival please welcome our very wonderful Librarian of Congress, Carla Hayden. >> Carla Hayden: Thank you so much, thank you so much. Well, I'm delighted to welcome all of you to the National Book Festival, my favorite event of the year. The fiction authors being brought to you through the generosity of the Library's James Madison Council really brings this to life, and they have been a sponsor of the Festival for the entire 18 years. I also have to say that I share Mare's excitement about the wonderful lineup of authors on this stage and all the others. While you're here, I hope you make it down to the lower level, where there are many fun family-friendly activities devoted to bringing you and young people more from the Library of Congress. So, I hope you have a wonderful day. Now, I have to also tell you that I am super excited, and so you will probably see me throughout the day, running around. I wore this top especially. So, just wave, because, as a librarian, this is like being in heaven. Books, authors, poets, illustrators, authors, it's just, I'm aquiver. So, that's why I have to make sure that I write down all of my remarks, because I can get distracted, and I know you will, too. So, this is wonderful, and I'm very pleased to be able, no, to be, to present something today that is very dear to my heart. Since 2008, the Library of Congress has honored great writers of fiction, from John Grisham to Toni Morrison to Marilynne Robinson, Dennis Johnson, and this award recognizes the best writers of fiction, and the winners are chosen by a distinguished panel of Nobel and Man Booker Prize winners, Pulitzer Prize winners and other literary award recipients as well as past winners of the prize. And, this year, to my personal delight as well, the panel has selected Ms. Annie Proulx. [ Applause ] Now, Ms. Proulx has received just about every literary award there is, the Pulitzer Prize, the National Book Award, and the O. Henry Award among many others. She is the author of eight books, including "The Shipping News" and the short story "Brokeback Mountain", both of which were adapted into major motion pictures, and her latest book is "Barkskins". She is truly an American original. She has given us monumental sagas and keen eyed, skillfully wrought stories, and throughout her writing she succeeds in capturing the wild, wooly heart of America from its screwball wit to every last detail. She is so deserving of this award, and we are about to confer to Ms. Proulx. Will you please come forward and accept the 2018 Library of Congress Prize for American Fiction? Please join me in welcoming a true American treasure, Ms. Annie Proulx. [ Applause ] And, we're even giving her something. >> Annie Proulx: Thank you, thank you so very much. >> Carla Hayden: Would you say a few words? >> Annie Proulx: Certainly. [ Applause ] Thank you all so much for coming. It's wonderful, wonderful to see so many pals up there, and I do think of readers as friends. And, I've had the great pleasure of meeting people everywhere who like the things I write about who have stories of their own, and once in a while I get a real big surprise. One time in Australia, after I had been reading, a lady handed me in the book signing line a little note folded over, and she looked very sorrowful as she handed it to me. I didn't have a chance to open that until later and when I did open it, it was about two sentences of a very hard story. She said that she had hated her husband all the years she'd been married to him, and the only surcease that she had from her misery was reading. And, I found that extremely poignant and it's troubled me to this day to think that her only escape from what was an unhappy situation was reading, but reading can do that to us. It can do that for us, and I know this is an audience of readers, and I share that with you. We're all readers here. I'm so pleased to be here and thank you, thank you very much for coming. [ Applause ] >> Mare Arana: It's such a pleasure to be here with Annie Proulx, one of I'm a devoted loyal fan for many years and have read every single book that she has written from the very beginning. It's extraordinary. I think, I said to her last night, "I think you're the great chronicler of North America." She's done the Range and I don't mean just the Wyoming Range. I mean she's done Newfoundland, she's done Canada, she's done Wyoming. There's this tremendous cavalcade of characters that she has brought to us. Her stories can be raw. They always hit you in the gut. They are really an extraordinary collection of American, North American beautiful, beautifully written works. I am so pleased that you have received this prize, Annie. Congratulation from the bottom of my heart and thank you for that anecdote, because reading is, in many ways, an escape. You gave us a good -- last night at the pep rally, because we have a pep rally. We call it the Gala where authors all get together and they talk about what inspired them and what put their heads together in a way, and you gave the most extraordinary sort of litany of works that had, from the very beginning, that had informed you. Could you sort of give a short version to our audience here? >> Annie Proulx: Sure. The message that I was trying to get across, much condensed, is that you can never introduce your child to reading too early. When you get home from the hospital or even before the baby is born, read, read out loud. It may sound silly, but it's not and as soon as you do get home from the hospital with that new kid, pick up a book, preferably one with pictures, even though those little eyes aren't really focused yet and read. Start reading and repeat this recipe every day until the child says I want to read by myself, and you will have a smart, intelligent, involved, terrific person in your life. You have to start young. Don't wait until the kid is six or seven or eight or ten, right away, as tiny infants, introduce them to books. That's what I said. >> Mare Arana: That's, yeah, that's exactly what she said, and your background, I think, predisposes you to really know North America so well. You have Anglo-American and French-Canadian backgrounds, and your father was from Quebec, and your mother was a painter, and that, in many ways, I think, seeing, because your books, your short stories are so vividly drawn. There's a very painterly quality. Did you paint as a child? >> Annie Proulx: We all grew up with pencils and brushes in our family. It was just what we did. I think our parents were not happily married. I'm the oldest of five girls. I think our parents were not really happy with one another, and my mother took refuge in painting. I've seen some of her paintings from before she met my father and they're joyous and with very strong colors. And, then, as years went by, the paintings became smaller and tighter and almost always landscapes. People began to disappear from her work, but she had a storytelling talent like her mother before her, something about women and stories. And, she could, and often did, we'd be sitting outside, and she motioned to the ground and we noticed some ants down there, and she would pick out discernable ants like one with a particularly large crumb, would identify the crumb, and that particular ant, it would quickly had a name attached. And, this went on with everything around, so that we had stories just boiling up from the ground, and she just did this as a matter of course. If the wind was blowing the leaves a certain way, there was an animistic touch to this. It was a story that came out of it. So, we were very much in the bosom of nature during my childhood, which was a wonderful thing. She was an amateur naturalist and noticed everything. We had a house full of pressed rose petals, and animal skins, and butterfly cocoons, and it made for a rich childhood in addition to reading. >> Mare Arana: This was in Connecticut? >> Annie Proulx: It was in Connecticut, but not just Connecticut. My father was, my father left school at age 14, not by choice, and went to work in the textile mills of New England as bobbin boy, and his ambition was to make something of himself. He felt very keenly, being a French Canadian at a time when French Canadians were disliked and despised as being unwelcome immigrants. It didn't matter that his grandparents had been born in New England. Anyway, he set out to improve himself and that affected our home lives very much. We moved. He was constantly after the better job, went to night school, read, and read, and read, and taught himself, and we moved, and we moved, and we moved, and we moved. And, I think by the time I left home, I had lived in maybe 20 places, and I've continued this in my life. I think I've moved maybe 40 times in my life, most recently within the last five years I've moved four times. There's a big problem with this, because as a reader I have a lot of books, and even though I have shed myself of many of them, from time to time, I tend, when I'm doing research on a particular facet of life or history, to collect all sorts of books about that period of time, people, place, and so forth. So, I've had to divest myself over and over again and to make the load of moving lighter, hundreds of boxes of books, and I lifted every one of them with bad results. But, now, I have to replace the ones that I've lost, because them so badly. I'm not one who lets go of books easily, and it's very embarrassing privately to want a particular book and not have it. I knew I had it. I knew where it was four houses ago. So, that's my life, getting more books and replacing the ones I've gotten rid of and repeating this over and over. >> Mare Arana: That's the challenging part, of course, of moving, but travel seems to feed you in a way. >> Annie Proulx: I've done a lot of that. >> Mare Arana: You have. >> Annie Proulx: A lot of traveling. I really do have itchy feet. I think I'm always looking for the right place, the place I really belong. But, I guess in the end, it boils down I probably belong in New England, although I lived just about the opposite of that. I'm in the Northwest Pacific corner, and New England's far away, but New England is not something you can escape from. For those of you who know New England, it's with you right to the end. >> Mare Arana: The travel part is important, I think, at least in my mind, as a reader, as your reader, because in The Shipping News, the language that is used is so -- I mean, one can hear the, that sort of Northeast pander, sort of the language that is used. The way that a Northeasterner will drop the subject or the pronoun in a sentence and you, I feel, you feel that you are in Newfoundland, and you are a part of these, this community, and in Wyoming, my grandparents were in Wyoming. I visited Wyoming as a child from very far away and the -- when I read your Wyoming stories, these are my cousins, my uncles, my aunts. The lingo that you managed to capture is extraordinary. >> Annie Proulx: Well, that's what I do. >> Mare Arana: You sure do, you sure do. >> Annie Proulx: My great interest is in place. I am quite fascinated by the geography, geology, the climate, the weather, the ancient history, all of the things about a place. If it's a small place, fine, but I try to find out everything I can about it, who's been there before, what was before anybody and put them all together, because I strongly believe that place makes us what we are. It's extremely difficult to escape from your place. Lots of people try it and very few succeed entirely. So, the mores, the accents, the climate, the weather, everything that you grew up with is stuck in there. It's the measurement for anything that comes afterwards, which is why I think so many of us are having trouble with climate change. It can't be right. It has to be like it was. So -- and it's not. >> Mare Arana: Indeed. >> Annie Proulx: So, this examination of place is, for me, the main reason for writing stories. I try, in the writing, to understand what made this place like it is and what are the problems of the people who live there and how do they solve them, and that's my recipe for story writing. >> Mare Arana: Yeah, and it's spelunking into the culture that you do. Let me take you back to the' 70s, which was when -- just let's, speaking of spelunking, you began your career by writing nonfiction, and you actually founded a newspaper in Vermont. >> Annie Proulx: It wasn't fiction. >> Mare Arana: No. [Laughter] We could go off on that one, but at the time, you were and, you know, skiing, canoeing, hunting, fishing, all of these wonderful outdoor things, and you were doing how-to-books on gardening and-- >> Annie Proulx: Madness. >> Mare Arana: And, making cider and all of that wonderful sort of lifestyle. How -- and you, I think, began a PhD in history, which you decided to abandon, but the -- all of these things fed, in some way, what you eventually did in fiction. >> Annie Proulx: Yes, absolutely. >> Mare Arana: Tell us about that. >> Annie Proulx: I've had learned people commiserate with me for not finishing the degree, but it was the smartest thing I ever did. The academic life, for me, would have been a prison. I don't like to be pinned into a corner, which is probably why I have been married so many times. [ Laughter ] But-- I don't know, this stuff is hard to talk about. >> Mare Arana: Yeah, yeah. >> Annie Proulx: I did do all those things, and this little newspaper started as a joke. It was called Behind the Times. It was a small town in Vermont, and a friend and I learned that the selectmen were having secret meetings, supposed to be public but weren't. And, so we took turns in actually appearing there and defying them to have a meeting without a member of the public. We wrote about it. We wrote about the selectmen's meetings at length. They got used to it, although they were really upset and angry at first. And, to get this paper off the ground we called together a bunch of friends and interested persons and put a note up on the general store counter that we wanted to start a newspaper and would everybody come together and we'd talk about it. So, the town folks turned out, and Vermont is one of the few places left in this country where town meetings are really, really important. And, the whole town comes together just like the Norman Rockwell cover and people stand up and speak their piece and sit down again and are drowned out by shouts, but it's something to admire and wonderful to live through. So, our paper got off to a flying start, and we ran it for several years, my friend Tom Watkin and I. Eventually, I went on to different things. I started moving and writing fiction, and he sold the paper and it soon disappeared from the surface of the earth. I don't know the history of what happened. I think the fellow who bought it filled it full of political tripe, and that's what happens. But, we had a good thing going, and while we did it, it was a lot of fun. So, citizen science is another thing that's very dear to me, and I see that newspaper adventure as a kind of citizen science. As citizens we have a tremendous amount of power, if we take it, but if we just sit there and wait for the next guy to do it, it doesn't get done. >> Mare Arana: Indeed. How did you -- going from this sort of nonfiction introduction? You were, if I may say, of a good age when you started writing fiction. >> Annie Proulx: Yes. >> Mare Arana: You would have some life behind you. How did you make that decision to suddenly write through the imagined? >> Annie Proulx: I don't believe it was really a decision. It just happened, as most things in life do. I'm not one of those people who wake up one morning and say, "By god, I'm going to do such and such." That's nice, but it didn't happen to me. I just started writing. I've been a reader forever and ever, and it was just natural. I think at one point I picked up some terribly popular new novel and read about 30 pages and thought, "I could do that." Put it aside, I don't remember what it was now, but it had its day and then its night, but I just started writing and I found it to be engrossing. I saw it as working out of puzzles and it's still that for me. To write is to examine a place and the people in it, the people who might be in it, because I never use real people as models. I always use names from the past or invented names or just completely make people up who are composites of characteristics added to swaggers, head scratching. And, this kind of thing is very fun and if you haven't tried it, I suggest that some day when you have a little free time, sit down and invent a world that you know. It's really very engaging. >> Mare Arana: You began with stories. "Heart Songs" was your first book. That was 1988, and then you moved on to "Postcards" very quickly, because that was published in 1992. Very well received, wonderfully received, and then very shortly there upon came The Shipping News, and I just want to read one of the -- from one of the reviews, which is really, I think, wraps it up nicely. "The writing is charged with sardonic wit, alive, funny, a little threatening, packed with brilliantly original images and, now and then, a sentence that simply takes your breath away." So true, and The Shipping News came so quickly after Postcards. Was this something that you were holding in your back pocket or in a drawer somewhere that you had written early and how did that happen? >> Annie Proulx: I had been thinking about it. My newspaper friend Tom Watkin and I went on a fishing trip. We both liked fishing, and I had wanted to go to Newfoundland for years. I did graduate studies at the -- at Sir George Williams University in Montreal, and at the time, Newfie jokes were just rife. They were like the Polish jokes that had been in this country and I can't remember when, the '50s or something or other and the ditsy blonde jokes. So, I was curious about Newfoundlanders, and so Tom and I decided to go fishing up there and away we went, headed for Newfoundland and decided to camp out all the way, brought a canoe along with us, which was silly, but-- I fell in love with the place, as we were just sliding into Port aux Basques. There's a long ferry crossing from Nova Scotia over to Newfoundland. It's about a seven-hour ferry ride, and just as we came into the harbor, everything was coming with a deep green moss, and it was foggy, and there was fog horn going, and there was a bell clanging in the distance. And, it was just exquisite, and salty, and unknown, and I just thought this is a place, and I determined to learn more about it. So, that was the beginning of that book. I went back ten times, over the next two or three years, gathering material, listening to people talk, eating the food, staying in different places, and there are lots of stories connected with that, which are still untold, but it was a grand place, and I loved it deeply and still do. >> Mare Arana: Well, you captured it beautifully. You won the Pulitzer Price and the National Book Award for that book. I should mention also for Postcards, which was her first novel, she was the first, you were the first woman, I believe, to win the PEN/Faulkner Award. >> Annie Proulx: I was so lucky. I was really lucky, yes. I think I just happened to be at a certain age at a certain time and things just fell into place. So, it was good fortune for me, really good fortune. >> Mare Arana: Postcards has a very powerfully sad ending, Shipping News does not. It has a powerful sort of happy ending as in a way. >> Annie Proulx: Sometimes, you can't avoid happy endings. [ Laughter ] >> Mare Arana: That's a quote. That is a quote. I am writing that down. You've moved to Wyoming. I think it was in the late '90s or so. >> Annie Proulx: Yes. >> Mare Arana: That must've been a, quite, a change of just certainly a change of landscape from all that moss to all that prairie. >> Annie Proulx: Yes. >> Mare Arana: How did it go? >> Annie Proulx: Well, it was actually when I was working on Postcards, I needed a place that was Western for my peripatetic protagonist. And, I looked in the guide to writer's residences around the country and, low and behold, there was one in Wyoming. I'd never even been in Wyoming, but it sounded very promising. So, I wrote to them and got particulars and made an application, and they said come on out. So, one day in, I think it was February, I threw all my stuff in the back of my old truck in Vermont and headed West, and as I crossed the line from Nebraska from one of the Dakotas into Wyoming, there had been a light skiff of snow the night before. And, it was late afternoon, that is about 3:30 in the afternoon, and I saw the landscape was a color I had never ever seen in my life. The yellow grass under the snow, the way the light was hitting this very light, fluffy, dry snow made everything have a kind of glistening mauve purplish color that was ethereal and bizarre at the same time, a color I had never seen. What kind of a place is this that can make colors that you've never seen before, because I was, you know, I was certainly not young, and I thought I'd seen all the colors in the world. So, I was enchanted right off the bat and spent a couple of weeks there working on my story for -- what was the name of that book? >> Mare Arana: For Wyoming Stories", "Bad Dirt", or-- >> Annie Proulx: Not Wyoming Stories, the-- >> Mare Arana: Bad Dirt, or "Fine Just the Way It Is", or-- >> Annie Proulx: Postcards, thank you. >> Mare Arana: Postcards? >> Annie Proulx: Yeah. So, I was able to get the information I needed for Postcards, but by then, I realized that Wyoming was a place that I should spend some time in. I walked a great deal while I was there, and it's a -- walking is an important component of writing, because if you're tied up with knots about plot directions or character exposes or the way things are coming together, walking usually solves the problem. The rougher the terrain, the easier the problems are to solve, and I did a lot of walking there, and I decided that I would move to Wyoming. My mother had recently died. I packed up, I moved and have been out ever since. I had 19 years of champagne powder in Wyoming. I was an avid cross-country skier for many years and it was the best. >> Mare Arana: I will take your suggestion on the walking. For me it's cooking. >> Annie Proulx: Really? >> Mare Arana: Cooking seems to get the gears spinning. >> Annie Proulx: My god, I never tried that. >> Mare Arana: Try it. [ Laughter ] Wyoming was very fertile ground for you. I mentioned some of the books, Bad Dirt, Fine Just the Way It Is, Wyoming Stories, wonderful, every single one of them, and I actually reviewed "Bird Cloud" which was your book in returning to nonfiction actually, to write about your travails of the household business of living in Wyoming and being snowed in and all of that and the tribulations with the fixing things around the house. It was really a nitty-gritty description of life in Wyoming. >> Annie Proulx: I miss it very much, but I'm not there anymore, but it's in my mind. So, yes, it was a big part of my life. I will always love that place and the people who live there, very particular kind of people, hard-bitten, able to fix anything, a lot like Newfoundlanders. If you ever have to be cast on a desert island, it's good to have either a Newfoundlander or a Wyoming person with you, though I'm sure that they don't give them out at the edge of the railing. Yeah, great people. I learned a lot. I had many fine times, and now I'm in another place. >> Mare Arana: And, you've given us Barkskins in the interim, really a tremendous sort of chronical of the settling of North America, a big book, a book about deforestation. It couldn't be more timely, this book. One of the, one of your epigraphs is a quote I won't -- I'm not going to read here, but basically, it says that when the conquest of America took place, we virtually destroyed the pagan animism, and in the process of destroying that pagan animism in which nature becomes very much alive and is a character in your life you begin the erosion of a very deep respect, if not worship, of the natural world, and it's almost as if we've invited a curse upon ourselves. I find that really, really interesting, compelling, and convincing, that we have, in a way, leaving that mythological past that we've -- the connection that we've had with nature, that we have lost something profound. >> Annie Proulx: We never had it to lose. The people who settled, the settlers, the adventures from Europe and England, we did not have those animistic beliefs at the time that people begin shifting to the New World. So, this was, and among other things, Barkskins was a contrast between two kinds of peoples, two kinds of thought, two kinds of world approach between Native Americans and the go-getter entrepreneurial types. A complicated story and it's a big book, too big, but it was hard to make it smaller, because if you're going to do forests, you're going to have to have time and 300 years was the absolute minimum time that I could manage the rise and fall of forest situation and that means a lot of characters. So, that was kind of a trap. I've often thought, since then, how could I have made this a smaller book. My editor had a good idea about how to make it a smaller book. She had her red pencil, and we cut something like 150 pages from the original manuscript, many of them-- >> Mare Arana: That's a deforestation in itself. >> Annie Proulx: Yes. Many of those pages I was sad to see go, but probably, people would not have been able to pick the book up, but so it goes. It was an ambitious thing. I think I would have -- the ending of it was very much darker before I changed it at the end and gave a ray of hope. I still have that ray of hope, but it's dimmer every day. >> Mare Arana: Would you like to ask a question of Annie Proulx? Please come forward to the microphones. We'll have a little bit of time. I will ask -- question Annie while people do. Please, please, I invite you to come up. If when you ask a question though, lots of things don't last forever, but this does, because it gets archived in the Library of Congress and your question and the answer are going to be archived forever, so choose well. Annie, I think you mentioned last night that Barkskins is going to be a series made by National Geographic. You've had apart from a life in words and in print, you have now filmed, and these, this writing of yours is coming very much alive in a visual medium. >> Annie Proulx: There was a time when books were what it was all about storytelling and imagination in this country, but it's not like that now. Film is dominant. Television serials are dominant. Some people get around to actually reading the books of a film that they've seen and liked or been provoked by. So, yeah, it's nonsensical to avoid film under the impression that you're being some kind of purist. So, I have been involved in and am involved in various film ventures. Yes, National Geographic did option Barkskins to be made into a series. I don't know where the project is right now and like these things, perhaps it will come to nothing. I have read some of the early sections and been in contact with the writer. Haven't heard anything for about six months, so I have no idea. Some of the Wyoming Stories are being looked at with fresh eyes by filmmakers, and I'm involved in books that I haven't written but that I know something about, because I read them and enjoyed them so deeply, and on and on it goes. There's a connection with museums, exhibits, film people, television people, and so forth. It's part of today's writing world. You can't be a hermit and as attractive as that is, it doesn't really work. >> Mare Arana: Yes, indeed. Question here? >> Good morning. You mentioned that you are in the Pacific Northwest now, and I was hoping you could tell us a little bit about what inspiration you're finding there. >> Annie Proulx: I am living in the Pacific Northwest now and as for inspiration, it's all around. It's a beautiful part of the country. I've got the Olympic range to the West, the Cascades to the East, British Columbia to the North, Oregon to the South, and it's a mild climate. The ocean is there, Puget Sound is there, seaweed, see lions, seals, fish, crabs, wind, rain, interesting people. It's a very engaging place, and I'm learning about it, trying to learn some seaweeds right now and about the indigenous people. Many of the tribes remained their own selves. They weren't shuffled off somewhere, and they still are very viable. Anybody who makes it out there should go to Cape Flattery in Nea Bay up at the tip of the peninsula and see the extraordinary Makah Cultural Center, which will teach you a great deal about life as it was before white people came. The Makah Museum, the cultural center, is the result of something that happened 500 years ago. A fishing village of Makah people were sleeping happily when a landslide came down and covered their village entirely. Beginning in the late '70s, it was noticed that the sea was eroding, some of the pile of dirt and artifacts were appearing. Archeologists came, and after a while, all of the people in the Makah tribe were engaged in helping puzzle out what these artifacts were, how they were used. Plans were made for a museum. The work went on for years, and the result today is extraordinary. This entire village was preserved in every tiny detail, and you can see the unfolding of those lives and how life was lived 500 years ago in that museum. I think it's one of the most striking and powerful museums I've ever been in. So, when you all come out to the Olympic Peninsula, be sure to go out there to Cape Flattery and visit the Makah Cultural Center. That's only part of what's there. It's a rich, rich place with rainforests, with -- I can look out my kitchen window and see those things that look like the -- does anybody remember when the semis used to go up and down the highways with big crates of chickens stacked up on them, feathers blowing around? Well, the cruise ships remind me very much of the place of those old semis. They don't carry chickens around that way anymore, but the cruise ships are still there. >> Mare Arana: My timekeeper says we have time for one more question, so-- >> Annie Proulx: I'm sorry. I've been talking too much. >> Mare Arana: No, we love it. That's why we're here. Please? >> Yes, you talked about the importance of place and how it affects who we are, and it seems to me, right now, when experiencing a mass migration from areas of conflict and poverty, people moving within our country as well to get a better job or whatever. So, what effect is this going to have on the human psyche, if we lose our sense of place, will it be a global sense of place rather than individual? >> Mare Arana: Thank you. >> Annie Proulx: That is a question. Cancel the rest of the day. [ Laughter ] I'm extremely interested in migration right now. I had the huge pleasure of writing a foreword for the Wyoming project on angulate migration in the state of Wyoming recently. I think it's coming out in a month or so. But, human migration, animal migration, bird migration, butterfly migration, everything is in motion, and one of the directions that scientific studies are taking now is in the direction of trying to understand that everything is moving. We live on these chunks of rock that are shifting around the world. We live next to shores where tides are changing and increasing. We live in so much motion and change that that's where it's all happening, and I'm utterly intrigued. This is my keen -- one of my keen interests right now about migration, human migrations. I have zero answers. I'm still learning, I think like the rest of us. So, I can't really give you any kind of coherent answer there except to say I want to know more. >> Mare Arana: Well, your coherent answer will, I'm sure, come in your next work, which we all look forward to, and congratulations for being the Library of Congress Prize for American Fiction winner. Sometimes, you have to have a happy ending. [ Applause ] >> Annie Proulx: Thank you. [ Applause ]