[ Music ] >> Sponsored by the James Madison Council. >> Jummy Olabanji: Good evening everyone. Welcome to the 2021 Library of Congress National Book Festival. My name is Jummy Olabanji. I'm an anchor with NBC4 in Washington D.C. Thanks so much for being with us this evening. And I am just thrilled to be joined for this awesome conversation by Rodney Scott and Trisha Yearwood. They're here to talk about their brand new books. We have Rodney's book. I have it right here, World of BBQ. Every Day is a Good Day. And Trisha's Easy Comfort Food Family and Friends. Thank you both for being with us. I know we've got a lot of people watching and a short amount of time, so I want to get right into the questions. And the first one will be for you, Trisha. So this year's festival theme is open a book, open the world. And I know this is your fourth book that is going to be coming out in just a few days. So talk to us about what this means for you, and how do books open the world for you? >> Trisha Yearwood: Well, I'm a big reader anyway. I mean Garth says, my husband says I eat books because I'm always reading about something. And I like [inaudible] kind of book. And I don't want to just like start being fan girl to Rodney, but just skimming through his book I can't wait to sit down with a cup of coffee, a pot of coffee, and read this book. Because it's not just about the food and the recipes and the ingredients. It's about the why. Why is this important and why is this special? And it connects us all. You know, we need things that bring us together and show what we have in common, and food is one of those things that we all share, we all have in common. >> Jummy Olabanji: And Rodney, I know this is your first book. So how do you hope that this book opens the world for you? >> Rodney Scott: Wow, I have to agree with you, Trisha, that, you know, food is one of the universal languages. And hopefully that this book can help bring the world together and help people connect and enjoy each other and enjoy making food together, creating memories. >> Jummy Olabanji: So Trisha, I know you start this book off, and you talk about the pandemic and what that was like for you and your family. When it comes to food and this cookbook, what did you learn through the pandemic and what that meant for you and your family and this comfort level with food? >> Trisha Yearwood: You know, it was kind of a reminder for me. I grew up in a really small town in Georgia. We didn't have any restaurants, you know, and my mom was a really good cook. We had a garden. We killed our own beef and hogs. And so we pretty much ate around the table just as a family every night. And you know, as an adult and moving to Nashville and being in the music industry, I feel like we all move away, everybody gets crazy, everybody travels. And as hard as this last year and a half year have been in so many ways, one of the good things that came out of it for me was a reminder of that family around the table. And it doesn't need to be, you don't need to be out jet-setting all the time. And really sitting around that table, that's, for me and my family, it was making the food together, laughing through that, learning through that. And we would always sit around the table long after the meal was over and talk until we got hungry again and maybe someone would pick at something that was still on the table. So it was a reminder of kind of what's really important. And it seemed to always center around the table at my house. >> Jummy Olabanji: And you also mention in your book, Trisha, that cooking is about love. And I fell like that quote kind of stuck with me. Can you kind of deep dive into that and what you mean by cooking is love to you? >> Trisha Yearwood: Well, I love to cook for people. I love to, and I'm a home cook like my mom and dad. And so I know what I know. And I always just, I love to cook for people. It brings me joy, the process of cooking the meal and sharing it with people. And so and I really feel like if you really love that and you love the people you're cooking for, I think it makes the food taste better. I just do. And so I think it's a huge part of preparing food and sharing it with friends and family. >> Jummy Olabanji: Rodney, I want to bring you back into the conversation. What I found really interesting about your book, I thought cookbook, okay. Awesome pictures. And as I'm reading it, the first several dozen pages read more like a memoir and telling your story. Why did you want to set the book up like that as opposed to just opening it up and seeing the first recipe right away? >> Rodney Scott: You know, when we were doing the book, the first thing we talked about is the recipes, then how it started, where it came from, who gave us the idea. And in all that discussion, I was sitting on my back porch in the middle of the pandemic, and I said, let me tell you how this recipe came about. Let me tell you where it started, how the idea of this recipe came about. And all of it just started with me telling more of what was going on around me when I found a recipe. And before you know it, me and my coauthor, Lolis, we just said let's tell a little bit about Rodney. And I wanted to share Rodney's world in the recipes as well. >> Jummy Olabanji: One of the things I found very interesting in your story was you cooked your first whole hog, which I've never done before, but I have to imagine it's not that easy, but you cooked your first one when you were just 11 years old. I mean how have you, obviously, you've grown up since then. But what have you learned since then and cooking that first full hog? >> Rodney Scott. Wow, cooking that first hog at 11, first of all, was a chore. You know, growing up in small towns you have chores and you have duties. And one of them that day was to help cook the hog. And in doing that, I've learned now that that was an early preparation on doing everything that I do now. I apply, that particular day I remember it so clearly, to everything that I do now, dedication, focus, paying attention to everything that I do. How it's done, the process of the cooking. And all of the conversation and learning around cooking that hog. Because it's a 12-hour process. >> Jummy Olabanji: I know that it can't be real, as fast as cooking bacon, which is about the only thing that I can do. So Trisha, I want to talk to you some more now. I mean when you think about this fourth book, how did you want it to be different from the previous three? And how was the process different for you when putting this together? Especially with this, you know, pandemic all around all of us and the way we're eating and the way we're cooking and consuming food is a lot different. >> Trisha Yearwood: Well I wrote my first book with my mom and my sister right after my dad had passed away. My dad was the barbecue guy. Like my dad would be loving this conversation and would love this book of Rodney's because this was his thing. Like he was so good at this, and he would cook for the whole town. And when he was gone, it was for us, it was a way to kind of keep him alive and keep his memory alive with his cooking. And it was really just those things that either weren't written down or were not that hard, but if you don't know how to do them, you don't know how. Like my mama, we were doing the fried chicken, and she was like you cook it until it sounds right. And I said Mom, we have to tell people like how long to cook the chicken before you flip it over. And she's like when it gets quiet, when it's ready to flip. And you cook chicken enough you understand that. You learn that. And then, you know, I never dreamed we would write more than one book, and never dreamed I'd have a cooking show. It's come out of something I really enjoy. This book felt a lot like the first one for me, even though we've already shown you how to make Mama's fried chicken. And we've already shown you how to make collard greens. I took some of those things and kind of showed how I do them now and how they've morphed into other recipes. And you always seem to find a recipe that you thought was lost. I found a recipe for fried pies. I see you've got one too, Rodney. That my grandma used to make for my dad. And we didn't know where the recipe was. And it's not that hard, but he was adamant that this wasn't the right recipe. And we found it in her handwriting for this book. So you're always kind of, it's always reliving those family stories and finding those recipes. And this one just felt really special to me because I had time to every day wake up, work on it, test recipes, tweak things, write down my thoughts. And it was just a, it was a really good thing for me. >> Jummy Olabanji: Is there a recipe in this book, Trisha, that is just like your favorite? If you, if I were to come over tonight and you were going to open it up and put something together for me, which I'm sure I would love everything. But which one would it be? >> Trisha Yearwood: Well I think I would try to impress you with, I making, my favorite thing right now is a chicken pot pie burger. And it's like it tastes just like chicken pot pie, but it's just everything goes in the chicken burger and then it's on a bun with gravy. And it's like, I don't know, it's comfort food and it's different at the same time. And it's kind of my favorite thing right now. >> Jummy Olabanji: Well, I did see that. When I picked that one out when I was looking. So Rodney, you know, you had, I don't know if you knew this when you were setting out to write this book, but this is the first cookbook by a Black pit master. Did you know that when you set out to write it? And have you even thought about the impact of that? >> Rodney Scott. I did not know that I was the first Black pit master to write a cookbook. I had no idea when I first heard it said I was like okay, good thought. I appreciate the comment. But never really paid any attention it until it kept being repeated over and over. And I said oh, this must be true. But I never knew. >> Jummy Olabanji: And I want to ask you. Is there a recipe in this book that would be the first one that you would make if we were coming into your house tonight? >> Rodney Scott: Wow, if you were coming into my house tonight, which recipe? I would probably try to get you with that smash burger or the steak sandwich. Because at home I'm that guy that wants to get it done quick on the grill. And probably that steak sandwich or the smash burger, just to try to catch you. >> Trisha Yearwood: I'd like to come over. >> Jummy Olabanji: So I want to talk to you both. I mean when you think about food and books, what makes it fun for you to do what you do every day in the kitchen but then put it on paper to share with the rest of us? >> Rodney Scott: Trisha, you want to go first. >> Trisha Yearwood: Sure. For me it's that I always grew up sharing recipes. There were a couple little ladies in my hometown that wouldn't tell you how to make the whatever. Or they'd leave an ingredient out, you know, because they didn't want you get the recipe. But I've always been a big believer in if it's good, I want to show you how easy it is to make, and I want you to be able to make it for yourself. So I think for me, cookbooks are so cool because it's really the ultimate recipe swap, you know. It's like here's some things that are not hard to make, and they're good and they're easy. And I want you to be able to make them too. >> Rodney Scott: I would have to echo that. You know, same thing. You get to stand around and talk about the recipe. Me, I don't mind sharing. I've told everything that we've done in our book. You know, recipes are just the way we do them in the restaurant. And for me, I wanted, if you notice the spine of our book is bright colored. So I wanted to just catch your attention, make it simple. Put it in a way that you can grab it will quick and come up with an idea or star another dish if you don't have your first dish the way that you really like it to be served. So I want just to be able to open up a book and be easy to grab a recipe and present it to your guests. >> Jummy Olabanji: And speaking of guests, I want to remind every one watching, you can ask questions because we are going to leave time for that at the end of this conversation. So please put those in the chat feature right now, and we will leave some time for that at the end. So Trisha, I wanted to ask you know, in the book you talk about going outside your culinary comfort zone. What does that mean to you, and how did you go outside the comfort zone when you were putting this new good book together. >> Trisha Yearwood: Well I, like I said, I grew up making the things that my momma made. You know, so I really new how to make, you know, time or ten thing, you. And I learned, I set the table a lot, and I cracked the ice for people at the table. And then when I moved to Nashville, I missed home. I missed home cooking, and I would call home and ask my mother how to make the simplest things. And she never made me feel like any question was too simple. And the when I had a cookbook out and had some success, I started going to some of these food festivals, I thought these chefs are going to be like we don't want anyone to talk to. You're just a home cook. You don't know what you're doing. And they were the ones, a lot of these chefs you're seeing on TV, they just made me feel like, no pun intended, that I did bring something to the table that was real and that was good. We started to do the show for Food Networdk. I was teamed up with a couple of, I call them culinary goddesses that wok on the show. And we got to be fast friends. And they just made feel like they could learn from me, and I could learn from them. And so there are things they have taught me in the kitchen. There's ingredients that they brought in, that we just didn't use in my house. You know, we used, our exotic spices were salt and pepper and maybe some garlic powder if you were getting crazy. You know, but that was kind of it. And they really taught me a lot. And then I've taught them things like my mom would say if you're going to make deviled eggs to flip the eggs in the carton the night before you cook, to boil the eggs, because in travel, in transit, all those yokes settle. And if you flip the egg, the yoke will land right in the center. So the next day when you boil those eggs you have perfect deviled eggs for your social, you know. Little things like that that my mama taught me that I got to share with them. >> Jummy Olabanji: And Trisha, how special is it for you, I have to imagine, to do this incredible work alongside with your sister? >> Trisha Yearwood: It's really everything. I mean she's my person. And Beth and I have, you know, she's my, we've been in the kitchen together our whole lives. So we have the same stories. And I always say she's my much older sister, but she's not much older than me. But she has just a couple more years of memories than I do. So sometimes if I'm going I don't remember that, she'll fill in the blank for me, and it's such a wonderful thing. And she's a really great cook. I mean she, she's married and has three kids who are now grown. So she really started cooking for her family before I did. And so she's a great cook herself. I mean my picture's on the front because I have a record deal. I make music, and people know who I am. But she is just as much a part of this book as I am. Because she really knows her stuff. And she's, like I said, we have this shared memory of childhood in our families that I don't have with anybody else. >> Jummy Olabanji: That's so beautiful. Rodney, you write in your cookbook here, especially in the beginning when you're telling your story, just about the sacrifices that you had to make to grow your business. Can you talk a little bit about that and what you learned through the sacrifice? >> Rodney Scott: You know, growing up in Hemingway, South Carolina, a town of 400 people, the biggest thing there is your imagination. And a lot of times people are so comfortable with their surroundings and how things are going in the area that they are afraid to step out. And I was nervous about leaving, and I decided, you know, if you don't take a chance, you'll never know. And I took the chance and stepping out, opening up in Charleston, expanding my culinary ideas and thoughts with other, I call them family now, staff members. Learning their thoughts and traditions growing up. And I decided to go for it. And I wanted to expand and learn more and grow outside of my area. >> Jummy Olabanji: And what would you today tell 11 year old Rodney who was doing that chore and during that first whole hog by himself as just a young boy, what would you go back and tell him now that you've learned, what you've learned at this point? >> Rodney Scott: Wow, I would go back and tell 11 year old Rodney, keep, build your confidence higher now. Don't wait until you're in your 30s. Learn as much as you can business wise. Continue to respect people, and everything is going to be great. Every day will be a good day. >> Jummy Olabanji: Trisha, I want to bring you back in, because I think reading so far one of my favorite parts was your essay to bacon. Which is my, one of my favorite foods. I could eat bacon every single day. I know I'm not supposed to. But I thought that was just so clever. Can you talk just about this essay to bacon if you will and why you even felt that bacon needed its own shout out in the book. >> Trisha Yearwood: I don't know. I mean I think bacon, you know, I think there's a bacon cookbook. I think bacon deserves its own book for sure. I just, you know, it's one of my favorite things to eat. And growing up in my house, you know, my mom saved all the bacon drippings in a coffee can, and they were, it was up above the stove. And you know, it's just, the flavoring in different things, I always use bacon drippings in cornbread instead of butter. A little butter too. But then again as I've grown in my learning of how to cook more things, I really learned the value of mixing that salt bacon flavor with sweet. So like we have a pecan sticky bun in here that has bacon instead of butter in it. And then also bacon in the sticky buns. Like just, there's just nothing ever wrong with bacon. I just, it's just the perfect food. And I so I don't know in writing, because I did write all this myself. There were a lot of late nights I'm sitting up going okay, I need to tell a story about collard greens. I need to figure out what I'm going to say here. And then I would just feel like I just want to write about bacon. So that kind of ode to bacon came out of one of those late nights. I mean to write a love letter to bacon, sometimes you just need to. >> Jummy Olabanji: And I got say what does Garth and the rest of the family, how proud of you are they? And just what you've been able to do with this show and now this fourth book that's about to hit store shelves. >> Trisha Yearwood: Well, they eat well, so they're happy. I mean I think that, again, it's something I don't think any of us knew was going to happen as a result of just writing a book and it being this way. You know, I'm married to a guy who's like the most famous country music entertainer in the history of planet Earth. So it's kind of fun when we go somewhere and people are like, I love you Garth, but I love Trisha's show. I'm like really? Really, that's okay. That's fine. But he really, he wrote the forward to the book. And he really is my biggest fan. And tested everything. He was, you know, and Garth is really honest, which is just great sort of. If he loves the food, there's like yummy sounds and no response. If he thinks it's missing something, he'll say that's fine. I mean maybe the first 10 years of our marriage. Now he ways, it just doesn't taste like anything. Do you feel that way? And I'm like seriously. So I think it's a, but he's honest, and I appreciate that. And he's usually right, which I can't believe I just said. But he is. >> Jummy Olabanji: And Rodney, we know the business is doing real well. And I mean, is your goal to write a book two? Do you want to catch up with Trisha and maybe go four books? >> Rodney Scott: I don't know. Hats off to you, Trisha for four books. This one took a toll on me. It was a lot of work. But I don't know, I'm thinking about book number two right now. I'm not positive yet, but maybe. >> Trisha Yearwood: You will. I said no. I said no there'd never be a second book. And here we are. >> Jummy Olabanji: Well, we're looking for number five from you, Trisha and number two from you, Rodney. We are getting a bunch of questions, so I want to leave time for that for sure. So we have one right now. And either of you feel free to answer this one. But are there any traditional recipes that people today may have forgotten about that you wish they would rediscover? >> Rodney Scott: Wow. >> Trisha Yearwood: Go ahead. I'm thinking. >> Rodney Scott: That's a tough answer because, you know, growing up in certain areas, like Trisha said, you don't always have a lot of ingredients that you're exposed to. So wow. That's a good question. You know we have a chicken perlo recipe in our book that's kind of a different tradition than what I grew up with. And the way that they did it in my hometown, they did it a little different with sausage, rice, bacon, kitchen bouquet and chicken, yeah. I think that's it. >> Trisha Yearwood: That sounds good. I was just thinking about that. We had wild muscadine, some people call them Scuppernongs that grow where I'm from, and we used to eat them off the trees. But we found a recipe for this book that was in my mom's stuff that I don't know how we've missed. And my sister and I neither one remember eating it as a kid. And it's for a pie. And I mean you cook the skins and the filling and then you strain the skins. But you put the skins in the pie so they're kind of chewy. And then you do like a peanut butter drizzle. That was my addition. I wanted to make it taste like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And I mean I don't know why we weren't making this my whole life. But I want everybody to make this pie because it feels like something really traditional. But it wasn't something that I was familiar with. >> Jummy Olabanji: Okay, I like both of those. Another question here for either of you or for both of you. What's your family's go to recipe when you don't have much time that everyone loves and that's quick and easy to prepare? >> Rodney Scott: Wow. Pork and beans and rice. Seriously. Smoked sausages, cut up with some onions, some beans and white rice and mixed all together. Quick, simple, great meal, and everybody's happy in my house. >> Trisha Yearwood: That's good. Mine's usually biscuits and something, because I almost always have self-rising flour and butter and buttermilk. And so I can make a biscuit. And then you can figure out any sort of like if I have sausage, it'll be sausage gravy. Or if I have ham, we'll make ham biscuits or pimento cheese, whatever we've got on hand. I can make anything go with a biscuit. >> Jummy Olabanji: And I always have canned biscuits. See, I'm trying. I'm getting there, I'm getting there. But I'm going to learn your recipe, Trisha, I'm going to learn your recipe. So another great question here. Someone asked that both of your cuisines obviously have roots in the South. For you, what distinguished southern cuisine from other cuisine? >> Trisha Yearwood: You go first, Rodney. >> Rodney Scott: I would have to say our, not having the fear of adding the extra salt, the extra flavor, the bacon flavor that Trisha spoke on earlier. Those type of things, just putting it all in there. Putting your whole soul into your food. >> Trisha Yearwood: I agree with that 100%. I think, you know, Julia Childs said everything in moderation, including moderation, you know. And it's like you're not going to eat, I mean I want to eat bacon every day, but I don't. You're not going to eat some of these things every single day. But when you, for me, if you're going to eat a really good dessert, or you're going to eat a really good meal, use the good stuff, you know. And make it worth it. Make it good. And that was the way that we were raised. I didn't have a vegetable from a can in a grocery store until I moved to Nashville. Because we canned everything ourselves, and everything was fresh. And I was really spoiled. I think that's the other key is that they are so, you know, in the South for us, most of us had a really good garden. And you could, if you weren't growing it, your neighbor had it. And so you could always eat that way. The one thing that I think is similar is that, you know, the stuff that I grew up on that's very uniquely southern to me and is comfort food to me, somebody out in California's grandma made biscuits for them too. They may have been a little bit different. But it's their comfort food. So we all have that. We're also tied to the food that we grew up on wherever that happens to be. >> Jummy Olabanji: Trisha, this question is for you. Someone wanted to ask. They say you and Beth share your family recipes, but do you ever create recipes just based on your cravings? >> Trisha Yearwood. Oh yeah. I get into a lot of trouble with that. I go to bed at night and most people think about what they're going to do the next day. I think about, so if I were to like, those potato chips that are dipped in chocolate, what if I made a brownie and I put potato chips in it. And then I figured out, and I put bacon in that too, because bacon goes in everything. And then I'll wake up and be like I think we can make that. I think that'll work. And then that's how a recipe sort of becomes a thing. I was thinking one day about I love the inside of the Oreo, you know. So I'm going to figure out how to make the inside of the Oreo, but I'm going to put it between my mom's brownie recipe, and that's going to a thing. And now we have double stuffed brownies. So I get into a lot of trouble when I have a craving, and it usually ends up being a recipe. >> Jummy Olabanji: I like that. I like that. Rodney, question for you. This viewer has one funny question, one serious. The first one is the funny. When are you going to put a restaurant I Texas? And the serious question is, do you have a great barbecue recipe that you share, or barbecue sauce I should say recipe that you share in your book? >> Rodney Scott: Well first of all, we do have a barbecue recipe that we share in the book. We have a couple of them in there. The original Rodney sauce is in the book. Opening a restaurant in Texas, hmm, maybe, never know. We'll see. >> Jummy Olabanji: There you have it. There you have it. I want to request one in D.C. if we're putting in requests. I'm just saying. And then another question for both of you, and you've kind of touched on it in our conversation, but if you want to expand it all. How did your families inspire your cooking and your cookbooks? >> Trisha Yearwood: For me it was the, it was the tradition of just family. You know, a lot of it centered around church socials, family reunions. Everybody would bring the thing that they made. And there was a lot of socializing and a lot of food being made. My dad always believed in making more than you need, because he didn't want anybody to be hungry. And I've taken that on from him. My mother was a school teacher who always had a meal on the table at 6:00. I don't do that. I should. I sometimes do but not every day. But she was a really great maker, and so I think I got my love of making desserts from her. My dad believed in having fun in the kitchen. So when he was done in the kitchen, every pan was used. There was usually like flour on the ceiling. But he was a really good cook. So I think, in that tradition of really gathering people, all my memories of childhood and my family really center around food and the farm and growing vegetables and all of that. So I think there, I think they have, my folks have everything to do with why I'm here doing this today. >> Rodney Scott: Likewise. A lot of my recipes are inspired by memories, and most of them are through family. My mom's banana pudding, I still remember her breaking off that cookie and giving me that cookie for the banana pudding. Grandma's cornbread, how sweet it was when you bit into it. The catfish that was fried on Friday nights, you know, all these things were expired through my family. And not to mention to this very day my staff will tell you about the sweet tea. My mom said you make it sweet enough so that when you're finished with it, it tastes just as good with the last drink as it did with the first one. >> Jummy Olabanji: Trisha, a question for you. How does or how can your music inspire your cooking or vice versa. Do you ever feel like they kind of go together? >> Trisha Yearwood: Yeah I definitely think music and food go together. I think there's a, for me there's a creation process when you're making an album and when you're making a meal for people that you love and to share it. There's definitely, it, you know, to be honest it's ego driven. You know, you sing when people applaud you're like that's pretty cool. When you make a dish and people can't speak because they enjoy the food, that's applause. So there's definitely a selfish aspect of it. But it is the thing that brings us together. I mean we said that in the very beginning of this conversation is that, you know, it's easy to find the things that are different and to pull us apart. But music and food to me are two things that really do, shows what we have in common. >> Jummy Olabanji: And Rodney, for you, you know, how has your South Carolina roots and being able to have one of the top restaurants in the Charleston area, you know, how does that make you feel and, you know, as somebody who started very young? Have you just thought about your growth in all of this? And do you ever sit back and think like wow, I did this? >> Rodney Scott: You know, every single day I think back wow, look where I am. Look how far we've come from a tiny town of Hemingway, South Carolina all the way to Charleston and cooking in different parts of the country. I take a moment every day, I take about a three to file mile walk every day. And I try to reflect on everything that's going on and how appreciative I am and humbled that hard work does pay off. And I wish to continue to do that and hopefully inspire a lot of people along the way. >> Jummy Olabanji: I think you're doing that. Both of you are. We have run out of time, unfortunately. I hope we answered many of your questions. Tried to get to most of them. Rodney Scott, Trisha Yearwood, thank you so much for joining us. And to everyone watching, thank you for joining us, and please enjoy the rest of the National Book Festival. Have a great night. [ Music ]