>> From the Library of Congress in Washington DC. >> John Cole: Good evening, and welcome to the Library of Congress. I'm John Cole, I'm the director of the Center for the Book in the Library of Congress, an organization that promotes books and reading but also helps promote the collections of the Library of Congress through this particular series, it's called Books and Beyond, and each of our presentations features authors of recently published books that have something to do with the Library of Congress. And boy do we have a couple of books tonight that have something to do with the Library of Congress. Our program is co-sponsored by the Publishing Office and at this point, it's my pleasure to introduce tonight's moderator and organizer, W. Ralph Eubanks, who is Director of Publishing at the Library of Congress. Let's give Ralph a hand. [ Applause ] >> W. Ralph Eubanks: Thanks very much, John, and a happy Flag Day to everyone here. I'm very pleased today, to be introducing two books tonight; one that's a brand new book, and one that's a reissue of a book that we did several years ago. The first book is, Old Glory: Unfurling History, and the author is here with us tonight, Karal Ann Marling. And Old Glory is a book that includes about 70 images from the library's collections, featuring, that really tell the story of the history of the American flag. And it's one of the amazing things about the library's collections is that in going through those collections, how much you can find that really ties in with the history of the American flag and tell you the, both the origins and some of the quirkier things about the American flag. And I think that's one of the things that Karal will talk about tonight. Karal Ann Marling is a professor of art history and American studies at the University of Minnesota. And she has published quite extensively; I understand you're on your 20th book now? Twenty-third book now. And some of her recent books include; George Washington Slept Here, Illusions of Eden: Visions of the American Heartland, and my personal favorite, Graceland: Going Home with Elvis. Our reissue book is, Eyes of the Nation, and the co-author of the book is Vincent Virga, along with the curator of the Library of Congress, curators of the Library of Congress, and I'm pleased to say that a number of those curators are here tonight to talk about some of the items that really tie in with, that are other cultural icons; so we have the flag and Eyes of the Nation, which is the visual history of the United States, so tying in all those various cultural icons. And Vincent is here tonight to kind of lead things off with the curators. Vincent's been called America's foremost picture editor and he has researched, edited, and designed picture sections for over 150 books. And most recently he has been the picture editor for Living History, by Hilary Rodham Clinton, and the upcoming, My Life, by Bill Clinton. He is right now working on a book exploring maps as cultural documents, called Cartographia: Mapping Civilization. So, I have to show the books to you here, this is Old Glory, which is a nice little book here. And, Eyes of the Nation, which is a nice big book. And without further audio, I'd like to turn things over to Karal Ann Marling, who will start off the program tonight. So Karal Ann. [ Applause ] >> Karal Anyone Marling: Thank you. I have to do PowerPoint tonight and this is, I'm one of those Luddites, who barely uses postage stamps, so this may be a little tricky. [ Ambient Noise ] Wasn't that strange? [ Ambient Noise ] Ah, here we go. [ Ambient Noise ] So there's Old Glory. I was telling stories today at lunch, by the way, about my various relationships with American icons, which is what I've been writing about for the last 30 years or so, and the one that came to mind was a particular triumph in Washington DC years ago, when I had just published a book on the Battle of Iwo Jima, and its consequences. A subject that has begun to appear in the news again these last few weeks, in part I guess because one of the last remaining veterans of the first flag raising that lives in Minneapolis, and we're in the process of doing a movie about him. But I remember showing up at the National Press Club for their annual Christmas book signing and it was traumatic in many ways. I was at a booth next to a lady who had just written a new book on her own theories about the discovery of Anastasia, who must also of course, be an icon of some sort. And she had that particular Anastasia in her booth with her. The only thing I can think of comparable is staying at the Pink Motel across the street from Graceland and discovering a lobby full of ladies who had 3 and 4 year old children with them, dressed as Elvis. And pointing out that Elvis had come to them in dreams and impregnated them and these were in fact, little Elvis's. But in any event, there I am signing books next to Anastasia and in comes the commandant of the Marine Corps, stiff as a board. With every medal you can imagine glittering on his front, about 10 feet taller than I, and came directly over to my booth and said, this book is a disgrace, I'd like to punch you right in the nose, to which I had to think up, very quickly, a retort, so I acted like an indignant 3rd grade teacher and sort of slapped him around verbally. And that was the end of that. But this is only, what, 12 or so years ago, and it was unheard of for women to write books about soldiers. That was the principle offense. That and that I had co-written the book with a young man with very long hair who was not old enough to have been a marine at that point. And so we were both assumed to be some kind of, I believe, commie hippie was the word that was bandied about. So I'm redeeming myself now by writing a book about Old Glory. In the years right after the Second World War, right up through the Korean War and the Cold War, my father always took us kids to the Memorial Day Parade. We drove to my grandma's house and went the rest of the way to the choicest spot along the parade route in our trusty, family wagon, depending on age, of course, the little ones could sit and ride, the older ones had to walk behind. Most of the time, that wagon was a bit of a neighborhood eyesore, draped with a disreputable old tarp when it was a covered wagon going west, smeared with watercolors when it was a circus wagon for circuses held in the garage. But for Memorial Day, it was always hosed down, its side slats recovered from the sand pile or the basement, and everything decorated with red, white, and blue crepe paper. The wheels were oiled, the pillows were put in place, and we were off to the parade. Now there were a few warnings along the way; we were not to whine for any of the fancy geegaws sold at curbside, the little whips, the little celluloid kewpie dolls on sticks, the majorette batons with silver glitter glued to the knob, but somehow, we always managed to acquire little cloth flags, stapled to wooden dowels with a shiny gold finial on top. And these we waved ceaselessly, and on the way home, used to poke at an annoying brother or sister. Now occasionally the flags were confiscated at that point, only to reemerge the following year, a real money saver for my father. But I digress, we went to the parade fairly mad with anticipation, and there have never been such parades since, I think. Real tanks thundering along, soldiers, sailors, marines, with honest to goodness guns, firemen, the police band, the coast guard band, high school bands, gold star mothers, portly ladies in white uniforms and caps, artillery pieces, horses, and about a gazillion American flags fluttering and flying as the kids from Madison High School played the Star Spangled Banner, loud and brave and only a little bit off key. Everybody, except the tiniest kids, stood at attention the whole time, kind of marching in place, hands over our hearts, bursting with something we couldn't really describe; pride, sadness, a deep soul-stirring love for that place and those people and that bright, beautiful, morning. To this day, I am apt to make micro scenes at the ball park or the hockey rink, when somebody warbles the National Anthem, and an honor guard marches in with Old Glory. I'm apt to sniffle, a tear will well up and I always sing along, badly, but fervently. After all these years as a fan, I can still get a little weepy when I hear, Take Me Out to the Ball Game, during the 7th inning stretch too. Somehow for me, one song evokes the other. Peace, Cracker Jacks, the rural calm of the outfield, synthetic though it may be these days, and everything I love about this country. So it was a great joy to write this book on the flag and a little about its fascinating history. One of the first things you'll notice, this by the way is a baseball stadium as you can see, bringing out the flag. One of the first things you'll notice about Old Glory: Unfurling History, is that unlike most history books, this one is full of little kids, busting their buttons with excitement about holding a flag. There are boys and girls who dress up like little flags, here's one of them. They unfurl their banner sometimes in a photographer's studio where they pose as little admirals, they wait for the parade to start, they form living flags as they march along under parasols of red and white and blue. They stand for the eternal youth and freshness of America. The hope and excitement in the eyes of boy and girl scouts who get to march in the Memorial Day Parade or wave a little flag from a wagon on the curb. There are old folks here too, most notably, Uncle Sam, the skinny old coot who's tailed suit is made from a flag. There are all kinds of legends about the origins of Sam, that he was an upstate meat packer from New York, named Samuel Wilson, who stamped barrels of beef for the army with the letters US, during the war of 1812. Or, that he was a character and a political cartoon lampooning Andrew Jackson, et cetera, et cetera. During World War I he pointed sternly out of thousands of posters, telling young men that he wanted them for the army and he wanted them right now. But he also stands, I think, for wisdom and tradition, and a certain eccentric individualism which this young country has always found room for. So old people, children. And then, of course, there are the ladies, God bless them' Betsy Ross, who may or may not have been the Arch Street seamstress from Philadelphia who first sewed the ruffles on George Washington's shirts and later, as the Revolutionary War drew closer, and closer, to her little shop, the first version of the American flag. The evidence suggests that one of her distant relations spruced up an old family story about a Revolutionary era ancestress to open a booming new tourist attraction, the Flag House it was called during the 1876 American Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia. But true or false, it's one of those stories that ought to be true insofar as it recognizes the contributions of American women to the birth of the republic. If George Washington is the father of this country, then Betsy is surely the mother of our great national family, a symbol for every woman who sewed and cooked and fretted, and eventually helped win the war of the greatest generation, wearing the overalls of Rosie the Riveter. If she could be, as she sewed, a bit of a tart sometimes as in this charming 1901 pinup, well, she was always a patriot. Now the flag, with two ladies here in a very mysterious photograph, the flag flutters behind presidents. It flies in times of mourning as it does now, all over Washington in sad tribute to the late President Reagan. It signifies triumph as well, this is the RFK funeral train coming into Washington DC. It can also symbolize triumph as when it flew on the airless surface of the moon on July 20, 1969, with a little help from NASA and a couple of wires sewed into the hem just as Betsy Ross might have recommended. It has never meant more though, Old Glory, than when it demonstrated our resilience and confidence and shock and grief, in the aftermath of 9/11. The flag is America, its soldiers and presidents, its starry-eyed children, its heroic women, it's those who have grown old under the banner of freedom and good will. The Library of Congress I discovered, is a rich and endless repository of flag images that remind us of who we are, and who we were, all of us, in the land of the free and the home of the brave. I'd like to thank the library very much for the opportunity to work on this book, as well as Bunker Hill Publishing. I also want to thank someone who's not here tonight, but should be, that's Amy Paston [phonetic], who did the picture research and is either in Rome, eating pasta, or shaking hands with the pope, we're not quite sure which. Thank you very much. If you have questions, should we hold them until-- >> [inaudible] >> We'll have them at the end. Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Vincent Virga: Now it's my turn with this. [ Ambient Noise ] >> You could try it again. >> No, no, I'm going to [inaudible] everybody with the struggle, if I put on my glasses, it will happen. [ Ambient Noise ] Here we go. [ Ambient Noise ] First I want to say, I'm profoundly grateful to have [inaudible] from Bucket Hill Press, because they brought the book back to life and the cover of the book, now has an American icon on it, the arm of the Statue of Liberty. And this picture is so famous, because what happened was essentially, the French gave the statue to the United States, but they didn't give any place to put it, and there was no money, they had no place to put it and no money to find a place. So they sent it around, and for 25 cents, you could go up the arm and stand at the top, it was a Madison Square in New York City, and that's how they raised the money for Bedloe's Island. So to have this on the cover, is a wonderful thing. The first time I came to the Library of Congress, was about 27 years ago. I came because I was doing a book, it was my first assignment as a picture editor and the assignment was to take 12 songs that had been called America: Why I Love Her, and had been recorded by John Wayne. So my first job as a picture editor was working for one of the great American icons, John Wayne. I came here and I discovered, I discovered the Library of Congress. I didn't know what this place was, all I knew was that at home, I had lots of books about the WPA and the photographs, and I thought, I needed neutral photographs because I didn't know at that point, that there were things called budgets and essentially I needed to get free photographs so I came to the Library of Congress. And I discovered this enormous cache of treasures and so for me, over the decades as I did picture work on all the books I've done as a picture editor, I would come to the library and no matter what the subject was, I would come to the library and I did a biography of Walt Whitman I remember, and the first time I went in to look at material in the manuscripts division, they rolled out the cart and they said, here's Walt Whitman. So for me, this place really became this spiritual center of the nation, because Walt Whitman lives here, and all of the people I love live here in some form, in some manifestation, 30 million books. It is still for me, the Everest of libraries. And when I came here to do Eyes of the Nation, I came wanting to do a book with the library and I suggested that we do a visual, a visual compendium and we decided that the only thing that was possible, in order to encompass the enter collection, was to do a visual history of the United States and so we got together, And what happened was, I gathered with all of the curators in a room, and I had said already that the, I wanted a book that was not going to be like anything else. I wanted a book where we have material that nobody had ever seen. So, we gathered in the room that first day, and I said, I'm not going to tell you what I want, I'm going to ask you to bring to the table, what you love. I'm going to ask you, as curators, to show me what are the images that get you here in the morning? What are the images that make you treasure the time that you spend here in the collection. So what we did was we would pick an image, someone would bring an image, and then we would talk about that image and we would constellate that image, in other words, we would say what does this make you think of and what we've done tonight is several of the curators who worked on the project, are here tonight. Not everyone, but there are several, and I've asked if we, if they would pick an image and then let's talk about it for a few minutes. So I'm going to click through and just put the image on the screen and then ask the curator who was responsible for that image with me, to just stand for a minute and talk a bit about what that image is and why we chose it, because there are, I mean what is, like four and a half million photographs alone, I think, in is it the [inaudible] collection? Four and a half million? So what we have is an, it's a breathtaking experience to come into this place and say, okay, we're going to make a book. Originally we were supposed to have 280 images in this book, and we wound up with 500 because I kept putting things on the table and saying to [inaudible], no, no, we can't lose this, we have to have this, it's a treasure. And it's very rare. And I've finally come to the conclusion that the greatest treasure in the Library of Congress is, in fact, the people you're going to meet tonight, the curators. Because their passion for the stuff, as we call it, and their understanding of the context of all of the material, is what made this book the greatest experience of my professional life, putting this together. So I would like to introduce you to them via the work, which is how I met them. [ Ambient Noise ] My glasses, so you'll see nothing. [ Ambient Noise ] No, that wasn't supposed to happen. >> [inaudible] >> Click it, oh, here we go. Okay, this would be Pat [inaudible], from the motion picture division. Pat. [ Ambient Noise ] >> Patrick Loughney: Thank you, Vincent. I'm something of an interloper here because I'm a curator of moving images and as you well know, this is a book that talks about and shows still images. So I want to thank Vincent for the opportunity to join in this project originally, and the kind tolerance of my colleagues in the Prints and Photographs Division for allowing me to come in and be a part of this. But it is appropriate for a number of reasons, institutionally, the present Moving Image Section, Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division was actually a part or section of the Prints and Photographs Division until 1978, so the parentage of my particular part of the library, has its long origins in the Prints and Photographs Division. But also, the images that you're looking at come at the very historic intersection between the advent of moving images and their birth from still photography. Moving images came as an inventive and technological thrust out of the success of moving images, excuse me, out of the success of still images that were invented and perfected after the Civil War, not only in America, but in Europe. And there was actually a race going on in many European countries, as well as America, to find the technology and invent the technology that created moving images. And it was Edison who actually perfected the two technologies necessary to bring these images that you are about to see or that you see shown on this particular screen. That is the camera to record the images, and the technology to play back the images in parallel. Because the camera recorded the image and Edison named it the Kinetograph, that is to write with light. And the Kinetoscope was the invention required to play back or to read or see the images. And what is appropriate about this image is that the man who actually did the inventive work is in this particular film, he's the man playing the violin, his name is WKL Dickson, or William Kennedy-Laurie Dickson as he was known. His mother was American, his father was English and he, as a very young inventor, wrote to Edison and asked for a job. And he was hired originally as a still photographer and then, because of his great talent and genus, began to get very intimately involved in many of the inventions perfected by Edison. But the remarkable thing about this series of four frames that you see, is that it is from a roll of film that is actually 49 feet long, that is preserved in the Motion Picture Division of the Library of Congress, and it is a film that was never seen by the public. It is actually a, an experiment, because from the start, from the original idea to create moving images, Edison's idea was to actually create synchronized sound moving images. And he worked very hard because to do this, but it was never commercially successful. But they actually produced this film in the Edison laboratory at the Edison historic site, present day Edison historic site in West Orange, New Jersey, and it was a laboratory experiment produced by WKL Dickson and his colleagues, to show Edison on return from a journey to Europe, the exact date it was produced is lost to us, and scholarship is not yet revealed, but we think it is in very early 1895, and Edison, as you all know, perfected the cylinder, the sound recording cylinder, and the large acoustical horn that you see projecting into the image shows us that this film was actually made in the sound recording laboratory at the Edison historic site and it is a little known fact that the whole motion picture production unit at the Edison Company, was underneath the administrative structure of the sound recording department for the first 10 years of its existence until 1903. So, images were subordinate to sound and this particular experimental film was never seen publicly until it was shown in reconstructed format in 1998 here at the Library of Congress. I'm happy to say, that the inclusion of this image in this book helped spark a preservation effort. The sound recording is a wax cylinder, broken into many pieces which is at the Edison Historic site, a brown wax cylinder. We were able to fund the rerecording of these, of this cylinder, which was reconstructed very carefully. And using a series of grants that we obtained, it is now being exhibited on a disc, a DVD produced by the National Film Preservation Foundation, which will be released in September this year, in which the soundtrack synchronized with the image, will be heard on a DVD format. So it is a very interesting and long-term preservation project which this book, and which Vincent, actually helped get under way and someday I hope that you all hear it. So thank you for the opportunity and I hope you find this fascinating, as much as I do, because I think it's a really important technological missing link that shows the origins of moving images in the whole age of still photography as it was developed in the late 19th century. Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Vincent Virga: The library's called America's memory basically, and when I came, we had the title, Eyes of the Nation, and I couldn't imagine a book, Eyes of the Nation, without the movies, because the movies are the eyes of the nation, I mean basically they recorded us as a people and then when I started working with Pat, Pat explained to me how the movies brought us together as a nation. That people would go to the silent films and they would see America, they would be sitting in their little places and suddenly they would see the cities and they would see what their country was like, so the movies are one of the things that brought us together as a people and helped us define ourselves. [ Ambient Noise ] Supposed to just click on this. >> [inaudible] >> The other button? [ Ambient Noise ] There we go. Ford? Ford Peatross. [ Ambient Noise ] >> Ford Peatross: Thank you, Vincent. >> You're welcome. >> Hello everyone. So, this image, okay, well Vincent asked us to speak and choose something and I came up with this one, actually fairly easily, I narrowed it down to about 3 or 4 out of, I think I lobbied for what, lobbied for hundreds of images. But I think we got, I got in about 40, in which we wrote the captions for. And this is Times Square from above, February 16, 1932, by Samuel Gottscho. It's an image from his unpublished autobiography which we also have, called My Life in Photography, which was written in 1940, so he supervised this print. But it's the print and the negative set here in the Library of Congress, until we did this book and until we put over 30 thousand of his images on our website and now they're in every classroom in America. And because we did such a good job, the family gave us the rights to everything as they promised, so it's now all in the public domain and anyone can do anything with them. Isn't that grand? But so why this one? Well, because it never fails to stir my soul. Because I still love to hear people gasp when they see it for the first time, so beautifully and faithfully printed on the pages of The Eyes of the Nation. Because it represents the part of my job that gives me great joy; functioning as a sort of talent scout, stage mother, and occasionally an impresario for images. Because it represents the talent and point to the work of one of those thousands and thousands of creators whose works and achievements have been insufficiently celebrated or disseminated, or enjoyed, or appreciated and deserved to be. Samuel Gottscho was a kindly, courtly, affable man who acquired his first camera in 1896. From 1896 to 1920, he began photography part-time, specializing in houses and gardens. A devotee of Thoreau, he particularly enjoyed nature, country scenes, and landscapes, imagine. He attended exhibitions of architectural photographs, worked to perfect and improve his own work, and in the mid 1920's, at the age of 50, after 23 years as a traveling lace salesman, he became a full-time professional photographer at the young age of 50. Seven years later, on a frigid sparkling February evening, he left his warm fireside, his wife, his little daughter, Doris, and hauled his large format camera equipment from Jamaica, Queens, to this eerie high above Times Square, to freeze his tuchus off? No. To patiently and masterfully compose and create an image that defines a time and a place for eternity. The great white day, great white way, a river of razzle dazzle, snakes its way through a canyon of skyscrapers. The world is tilted forward like an [inaudible], cropped like an Hiroshige, with the shimmering lights and inky blacks of a Whistler nocturne, the sparkling syncopations of Joplin, and the dark, bright, jagged, harmonies of Gershwin. Go Sam! Eight years ago, Vincent asked his fellow constellators? Oculus, to write short, personal overviews to go with the end of Eyes of the Nation. I concluded then and I still agree, quote myself, the acquisition, conservation, service and interpretation of the original documents in the library's collections is a special privilege and a unique and ever expanding education. Frequently, one is allowed a glimpse of the spark of genius that bridges the synapse between human thought and activity at their highest level. Ultimately to collect for the Library of Congress is to share all of this with future generations. It just doesn't get any better than that. [ Laughter - Applause ] >> Vincent Virga: You see what I mean? It just doesn't get any better than this place, working with people like this. The next image-- [ Ambient Noise ] Left [inaudible] yes, Verna Curtis. This actually opens the book, it's one of the images in the front of the book. Two of the images in the front of the book. [ Ambient Noise ] >> Verna Curtis: Thanks. I too, when asked about something to talk about tonight as an icon, did it with no hesitation and thought about this American Elm tree by a contemporary photographer, Tom Zetterstrom. Your image on the screen is a little bit squashed and unfortunately does not show exactly the stateliness and the height of this singular standout which we all know, it's the botanical name being almost Americana, American Elm, a certain species that I learned a good bit about in preparing these remarks. Originally, Vincent asked for some images, sort of at the end I think, just about as the book was going to the publisher, that would be at the front, that would signify America and I had been dealing with this photographer who is the son of an arborist, and lives in Connecticut, and had been putting together a portfolio that he calls, Portrait of Trees. And he had come in with trees from all over the United States, usually singular ones, but when he came with this, American Elm, I said we have to have it. And I was soon to find out that buying this from him, we did it through a donor actually, inspired him to go and photograph the tree under all, in all seasons. So what you see here is a parallel and a synchronicity between the summer and the winter, and the library also owns his photographs of fall and spring of this same tree in the same location. The species is ubiquitous, it's all over the United States and in Southern Canada, and hence its democratic, a first [inaudible] requisite for being an icon, an American icon. And it's a state tree of Massachusetts, North Dakota, and Nebraska. It's the staple of New England and is as important to our heritage as an architectural icon such as the white steeples and like the tradition of Thanksgiving. It has a history, the tree does, that is the content of this photograph, of being an embarkation point for George Washington, a resting place for Lafayette, there's a famous tree that was in Massachusetts called the Liberty Tree, and it's fabled to have been the ground under which Buffalo Bill played and the destination for Daniel Boone, so it is as American as apple pie. And by the 1920's, people in the country recognized its grace and the arching canopy it provided when planted together and it began to line streets and towns all over the country. There are more Elm Streets than Main Streets in America. It delivered then, the ideal of the countryside in town and it typified as no other tree, the finest living things in American life, 25 million trees existed in American towns and cities in 1937. I was keen to find out that last year, a book was published called, The Republic of Shade, it's quite a nice read, by Thomas Campanella of Yale University, 2003, the first book dedicated to the Elm tree. So, did it fit into icon? Yes. But why didn't we choose an Elm lined street in America? Well, the reason that Tom Zetterstrom's Elm, which is in a field on Baldwin Hill in Massachusetts, Egremont, Massachusetts which is on the border of Connecticut, is that the image, not only the content, but the form of the photograph is what I feel is iconic. Tom knows how important the tree and the vegetable kingdom have been to man, how poets have immortalized it, how it in itself, going through four seasons of the year, standing tall and straight, having the shape of a fountain, feels like us. We identify with trees. And he also as a person interested in the tree from his parentage and from growing up, understood that this Yankee pastoral symbol was endangered, and I find it rather interesting that we put it in the book, he was very proud of it, and later it did, as an icon does, it not only achieved the status and sustained the status of icon and began to inspire the photographer himself. And I bring you a pamphlet that he circulates, he has been the founder of something called, Elm Watch, which is a citizens group, a private as well as public citizen's group, dedicated to the protection of historic and scenic American Elms and he put his own tree, the one that we iconized for him in a way in Eyes of the Nation, on the pamphlet cover and it is a symbol that he's trying to keep alive, they do all sorts of things like inject the trees in order to prevent sort of antibiotic prevention of the Elm disease which has devastated that symbol of ours across the land. But it is coming back, there are several strains that have been achieved or bred that are resistant to the disease so I think that we will have it live on, not only in Eyes of the Nation, but on the streets of America. [ Applause ] >> Vincent Virga: This I think is one of the most famous images in the book and Beverly Brannon is going to talk about it, and also one of the reasons why we chose it. And also, there are others from this that she can talk about too. [inaudible] [ Ambient Noise ] >> Beverly Brannon: Other people have said that they get to do the best work at the library, but I think I get it, because I get to work with the Farm Security Administration collection. This photograph, you probably all know, was made for Dorothea Lange, it's commonly known as Migrant Mother, it's the most famous of five images that were made of this 32 year old, Florence Thompson, and her children, in a migrant camp in Nipomo, California, near Modesto, in March 1936. It's a silver gelatin photograph, was part of the Farm Security Administration collection, not the WPA, that's at the National Archives. So, it was one of the first images made for the historical section, which was the little bitty working group within the historical section, within the much larger Department of Agriculture. It's one of the most widely reproduced and familiar photographs in history. Lange made this series in the first year of that section, and it came to symbolize the rest of the collection, which was to document the lives of those displaced by agricultural disasters. It immediately captured the imagination of the depression generation. Lange went home from this shoot, developed it, delivered it to a newspaper and UPI immediately published it all over the country, with the news that people in these migrant labor camps were dying of starvation, and within a few days thousands and thousands of dollars had been donated to the migrant labor camps, but Florence Thompson's family had already moved on so they didn't benefit from the generosity in the American people. We learned, doing research for the Eyes of the Nation, that Florence Thompson was a full-blooded Cherokee from Oklahoma. She arrived in California some 15 years later, back when it was still thought to be the Land of Promise. Her ancestors had been relocated from Tennessee in the Trail of Tears, in the 1840's, so she had a long history in the United States and we were pleased to learn that, doing research for this publication, but since that time, we've learned even more about Florence Thompson. Her grandson, Roger Sprague, spoke to us, very movingly, about Florence Thompson's vision for her, sorry, her version of her life. Previously we'd only had Dorothea Lange's, which I pretty much summarized for you, but it turns out that Florence Thompson was waiting beside of the road for her husband or her common law husband, to arrive with a repaired radiator for the car. Thompson had moved out to California initially with her husband, the first day they were there they picked peaches, he got covered with peach fuzz, they all got covered with peach fuzz, there were no bathing facilities there. So they got in the creek to get the peach fuzz off, he contracted typhoid and was dead within 36 hours. So, after that, she was left with these very young children, infants some of them, to raise, and she did that, she picked up a man along the way who didn't like to work, but did like to stay home with the children and get them to school. And she raised them through her own labor. When she left the fields, around the beginning of World War II, she went to work as a waitress and then later became a hospital attendant. She never had much education, but she was able to keep her family going without welfare. Her children bought her a nice house in the 1970's but they were unable to maintain the payments on it, so she ended up moving back to the same camp where her photograph was made, nearly the same site, close to the road, and lived there in a trailer until she died in 1983. And we're very pleased to know this much more about her. Her grandson is working to publish the family's version of what happened, but it's that kind of story that brings me to work every morning. And this is just one of about 165 thousands pictures in that one collection. Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Vincent Virga: We had actually discussed whether or not we would use this picture because it was so famous, and we said, do we really want to repeat something this famous, but then Beverly brought all the other images that she, that Dorothea Lange shot when she shot this, so that when you look in the book, you'll see all of the other ones, as well as this famous one. Sarah Duke. [ Ambient Noise ] >> Sarah Duke: When Vincent asked me to speak, I selected an image that was the confluence of two American ideals; that of artistic representation and architectural achievement, even though I'm not the, our curator of architecture. Currier and Ives dominated the American market in the 19th century, and they didn't produce artistically, not, they produced artistically great images, but they didn't reproduce paintings. They created their own images. And what you have here, is the Great East River Bridge, or the Brooklyn Bridge, before it was ever built. This was a subscription image from 1874, after the towers were starting to be built, actually I think the towers were completed and the wires were starting to be strung across the river, the bridge went public, by subscription and actually paid back investors more than they put into it. So, Currier and Ives was working as a job, to create an image to sell to investors, to purchase a piece of the bridge. Nathaniel Currier began his career in New York, in 1834, having served several years of apprenticeship as a lithographer and he maintained the tradition of his early career in producing hand-pulled lithographs, not the chromolithographs of, they were, that had become popular by 1874, but hand-pulled images, hand-colored, exquisitely detailed. He and his coworker, James Ives, particularly marketed their images as cheap popular prints, they wanted them to hang on the walls of churches, of schools, of parlors, of taverns, they wanted the American public to know about them. And when the firm went bankrupt in 1907, no longer a popular icon, many people neglected them. But historians have come to regard the talents and hard work and artistic endeavor of Currier and Ives, and suddenly, people have searched their attics, their grandmother's homes, and have brought them forth. The Library of Congress is very pleased to have this work and others by copyright deposit. We also have some by gift and exchange. The Brooklyn Bridge was the first suspension built bridge, built with steel wire, an innovation that John Roebling, the architect and engineer who died before he ever saw it raise up from the ground, brought to the span his son, Washington Roebling, saw it completed in 1883, and so it's the first steel, it was the largest suspension bridge of its time, the first one to use steel wire, and it was conceived as a means to relieve the overcrowding of Manhattan and bring it traffic back to Brooklyn and to developed Brooklyn, which was mainly rural, and it was so successful that before he ever saw it completed, Roebling had conceived of three additional bridges to relieve the congestion of the traffic between Manhattan and Brooklyn. And so in conclusion, I just offer you, anyone want to buy a bridge? [ Laughter - Applause ] >> Vincent Virga: At the first meeting when I met Ron Grim, the curator of maps, I had said that I don't, I said I don't get maps. And Ron put his head on the table and said, that's the story of my life. And I explained that I don't get them because they're always too small in books and I can't read them, and I wanted to do something in Eyes of the Nation that would bring the map into, into its proper place, because I've come to love maps, thanks to Ron. He helped me understand that they're actually cultural landscapes that when we look at the map, we're looking through a time glass into the past. And this is a particularly interesting map that Ron's going to talk about for a couple of minutes. [ Ambient Noise ] >> Ron Grim: The icon I want to talk about this evening is the shape of the United States, or the United States as a shape and an icon. As you look at this map on the screen, it's a shape that you do not recognize and you probably are thinking why did I choose this particular image? Well, I picked it for a number of reasons. It, in many ways, symbolizes or is an icon of my thinking and my training. One of the images we included in the book, was this image of the United States, which is a relatively recent map of the United States done by computer, it's a digital image and it shows the United States in its physical relief. And the, our caption says that this map is the physical base, or the stage, on which the drama of the history of the United States has developed. Now this particular map that you see here, was produced by cartography students at Queens University in Canada, it's what's called a cartogram. A cartogram is a distortion of geographic space to represent the particular phenomena that you're mapping, in this case, the population of the United States. It's called an isodemographic map of North America. That's a mouthful. But basically, the geographic areas are drawn in proportion to the population of those geographic areas, rather than to the square mileage, and so in this map, you see a distortion, the New England area, the northeast, New York and Pennsylvania, and the Midwest, are drawn much larger than the rest of the states. California is also large, Florida's fairly large, but look at the states in the west, look at the areas of Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, they're barely seen on the map. This map also shows Canada. It's sort of the thin band across the top. Remember, this map was done by Canadians. This map is one of the maps that I first learned about when I came to the Library of Congress. One of my first assignments was to work on an exhibit which was called, The American Congress on Surveying and Mapping Award Winners. Each year, that organization has a competition on map design, and some of the categories are from students. This was one of the award winners and we had it in the exhibit one of the first years that I was here. This image always stuck with me because it's unusual, it's an unusual shape of the United States. Another reason I selected this image is that I've been trained as an historical and a cultural geographer, and one of the concepts that I learned very early and that I keep preaching, particularly to Vincent, is the idea of cultural landscape is that you start with a physical base, you start with the terrain, the trees, the vegetation, you start with the basic shape of the United States. People come into that particular environment and they change it based on the culture and technology of the particular time. Anyone particular place shows layers of cultural change, you look at the Chesapeake and you see some of the area of the Chesapeake or the tide water, and you see place names that reflect the Native Americans, Potomac, Rappahannock, the [inaudible]. But then you see another layer of culture implanted in the area; you see the names of the counties, Prince George's County, King and Queen County, Essex County, these are names from the colonial period which show the next layer of cultural settlement in that particular area. What this map does, it's a distortion, it distorts the shape of the United States, in essence that's what happens to that physical base of the United States; various cultures have come into that area, they have taken that physical landscape and they have changed it and made it into something unique. And in this sense, we have a unique image of the United States, just representing the population. And the question I would leave with you, just think what the cultural landscape of this country would be, if it had been settled from a different direction. Let's say it had been settled from the West Coast and the first people that came into the United States had been from China. So keep this shape in mind. [ Applause ] >> Vincent Virga: The last thing I wanted, the last thing I wanted to tell you is as Ron explained, the last image we have is that geological map which is the, we called it, The Stage, and that's followed by a portrait gallery, we have all of these prints that we took from the various divisions, I mean from the P and P different collections, portraits of people, portraits of America, the people who populated that. And the very last thing in the book is the lyrics from Make Our Garden Grow, Richard Wilbur's lyrics from Candide. Because I wanted to end the book with that sense of the garden, the growth of the country, and so the last thing you read, the last lines of the book are; we're neither pure nor wise nor good, we'll do the best we know, we'll build our house, and chop our wood, and make our garden grow, and make our garden grow. Thank you. [ Applause ] Does anybody have any questions? Are there any questions? [ Ambient Noise ] There may not be any. 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