>> Sasha: Hello and welcome to the Nation Book Festival everyone. My name is Sasha Dowdy from the Library of Congress I'm here with Jason Reynolds whose featured book at the festive this year is Stamped, Racism, Anti-Racism and You. If you'd like to see Jason's presentation at the festival log in to NationalBookFestival.com and you will find his presentation on the teen stage. So welcome Jason it's so great to have you here. >> Jason: Thank you, thank you so much it's always good to be here and as always it's always nice to serve and do my job as -- as a national -- and look here it is everybody the national ambassadorship medal. I never wear it, I haven't had an opportunity to wear but I'm going to start wearing it to the CVS so people know what it is but it's good to be here. >> Sasha: Great to have you and I really hope you do put that medal on for CVS. [laughter] We already have some questions pouring in for you. We -- seem to have questions from kids so here's one from Kirsten. We are a fifth grader and a seventh grader what advice would you give to kids our age about how to be anti-racist? >> Jason: Good question, good question. What advice would I give to kids your age about how to be anti-racist? Simple, keep love first; it's just about love. You know love and acceptance that all of us are human, that all of us deserve the same exact opportunities and we deserve the same sort of resources to live full, happy, healthy lives. Very simple, it's a very simple concept and it doesn't really have to be much more than that. I mean -- politics and systems and history and all of these things have complicated that but the basic idea is that you see every single person as you see yourself as a human. That's it, if you can do that at your ages if you can do that then by the time you're old like me we'll be living in a much -- a much more equitable world. >> Sasha: Yeah, that's fantastic. We have a question from Panna Jr. High sixth graders. How do you decide what to write about and how do you overcome writing struggles? >> Jason: How do I decide what to write about? Oh gosh that's a tough question there are -- first of all I live a life that is full of curiosity. I live a life that's full of inspiration right -- like I'm around young people all the time pre-COVID right like when we weren't locked down. I was around young people every day listening to you all, talking to you all and watching you all and really just engaging with young people and so I'm so inspired by the young people of our world and I've seen the world and so I'm talking about young people all over the world I think are just -- are just incredible. The most human -- the most human amongst the humans are the young people. So ya'll inspire me I also love to listen to my mom tell me stories of her youth or go to the movies when we could go to the movies or read all these books or go to the museum. Like all these things that just sort of fill my well for me to pull from I'm inspired by life itself. What a beautiful experience and a beautiful experiment this life thing is -- even when it's bad, it's good. Remember that, even when it's bad, it's good and so I think because I love life and all of the -- all of the sort of complexity that it has to offer I'm always inspired. >> Sasha: Great, thank you. We have some questions that ask you to recommend some books. Here's one from Wendy. I loved reading your book For Everyone; I needed to read this for my YA library class. Do you have any recommendations for an aspiring librarian to provide anti-racist suggestions in both non-fiction and fiction? >> Jason: So there are a lot of books right now, we're living in a wonderful time of literature. I think this book is anti-racist by Tiffany Jewell is a good one. I want to say, what's Ibi Zoboi's new book? Ibi Zoboi's and Yusef Salaam's new book I want to say it's called. >> Sasha: Punching the Air. >> Jason: Punching the Air, thank you. I almost always -- I always say punching the sky but it's Punching the Air. That's a wonderful book check out Punching the Air. I know Nick Stone's got a new book coming out I think on Tuesday called -- it's the sequel to Dear Martin so that out it's called Dear Justice. There's a lot of books, I mean all the books that are like -- like Just Mercy those books there are used versions of those books so like Just Mercy or Trevor Noah's book all those books are awesome references as well. Jacqueline Woodson's books -- there's, I mean look Ghost Boys by Jewell Parker Rhodes there's -- there's a lot, there's so many. There's so many I mean I'm not going to be able to name them all because we'll be here all day but there's just so many great books right now for sure. Check out we need diverse books you know go to their website they have all -- everything is there all the resources are there. >> Sasha: Great, thank you. Donna would like to know what advice would you give other aspiring black writers? >> Jason: That's a good question. I think you know my biggest pieces of advice to all writers and I'm glad this person did specify with black writers. I think that -- I think that's totally like we should -- it's ok for us to do that right. First of all, I am a black writer people are like, are you -- do you consider yourself a writer or a black writer? I am a black writer right. I am a writer who is black but I don't think there's anything wrong with me also saying I am a black writer and I'm coming from a very specific space right and that's ok. So first I want to say good on you for being able to say that like no as a black writer and that's alright. That being said I think my advice applies to all writers and what that advice is is number one this is going to sound a little cheap but it's true. Number one, you got to read and write and I know that sounds so simple but as you sort of get on your way and you're on your journey you're going to meet people along this path that say I'm a writer or I got this book idea and I'm working on this story. And then you're going to bump into them five years down the line and they're going to say I'm still just working on my outline trying to get my story together. And then you're going to see them five years later and they're going to say just getting ready to write my first word and what you realize is there are a lot of people who say they are writers or want to be writers but writing is an action, it's an active thing. So the first thing you have to understand is that you have to actually do it right, you got to actually be working toward it. One word at a time there is no magic -- there's no magic right. One word, one sentence, one paragraph, one page, one chapter at a time that is the only way one foot in front of the next right. The second thing I want to say is you've got to read. All these books behind me these are my tools, these are the only tools you have and so it is very difficult to be a good writer if you aren't reading. It's like saying that you're a good builder but you don't like hammers. Right? If you're a builder your tool is the hammer. If you're a writer your tool are the books behind -- are the books in your lives and so try your best to read as much as possible and try your best to write as much as possible. Everything else -- if you do that faithfully every day or as often as possible then you'll see it start to take shape and the world will open up for you. >> Sasha: Thank you and speaking of tools for writing Denise would like to know who or what are you reading right now? >> Jason: Who, what am I reading right now? I just finished reading this book which is fantastic by my buddy Candice Iloh. Everybody should get it; it's for young people by the way, Every Body Looking. It just got long listed for the National Book Award, shout out to Candice. I'm -- I just finished that. And, what else am I reading? I'm reading the Booker Prize books so I'm like going through all those books which is really difficult it's like hard reading which I like. I'm really Ali Smith's new book, Summer which I -- which I -- oh I love everything that she's writing. What else? I mean there's so many -- you know right now, honestly I'm ready all of the Captain Underpants books which I know is probably like surprising for some folks but I'm reading all the Captain Underpants books to figure out how Dav Pilkey has been able to do it. Because I think there is something there that is genius and I'm trying to sort of sort that out -- doing a little research. But a little bit of everything I'm open; I'm re-reading the Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison you know -- wide open. >> Sasha: That is very eclectic. So here's a question turning it back over to you a little bit from Leslie, what is a question you wish people would ask you and how would you answer it? >> Jason: That's a good question. You know what people don't ask me a lot about, like people say like well how do you -- what advice would you give a writer? Or does it mean to be black in this industry? Or what are your thoughts on race in America? Or you know like I get all these kinds of questions but no one ever asks me like what is your relationship with like the sentence? Right, what are you thinking about when you're formulating and crafting sentences? Because I think that if people -- for all of you who have read my work my sort of particular sort of take on the sentence is mine. Right, like we all have -- all of us have our own styles and no one ever asks me about my style. And if they did I think I would respond by saying that I believe that -- and I've said this before in other interviews I believe that all writing -- James Brown -- James Brown said that all instruments -- to him every instrument was a drum. Right, that was his thing and so that's the reason why the horns sound percussive, that's the reason why the guitar sounds percussive and for him everything was about the drum. He said every single instrument is a version of the drum and for me every single form of writing is a version of poetry. I believe in rhythm in music, I believe repetition, I believe in license where I could do whatever I want to do in a sentence or on a page and no one ever asks me how I formulate sentences or how I think of sentences or how I hear them in my head and in my ear or in my mouth for that matter. And it bums me out that people don't ask black writers more questions about craft. >> Sasha: Well thank you I think we all know you a little bit better now as a crafter of your sentence. So A.L. Davis would like to know about your background. What kind of influence did growing up in the D.C. area have on your perspective in writing? >> Jason: You know one of the things it did for me -- so like growing up here we grew up with -- I think about go-go music a lot and I've given lectures about my relationship with go-go music and its relationship to literature. Because go-go music which for those who don't know is an indigenous music to black D.C. Right like that is our sort of music, it has never left the city, it is still a big thing in this town and it is indigenous to the city specifically its black population and it's an amalgam of to me every indigenous music right. So like -- that's why I like it so much because I feel like it's the -- it's the blackest of all the musics right. And what I mean is you have music coming out of South America, you have music coming out of Africa, you have music coming out of the Caribbean, you have -- and all these musics are -- and then you have American classical music right which jazz and hip-hop are the American classical musics which we can have a different conversation about at some other point. And you mash all those musics up together and that's go-go music right and funk music and disco and like all -- R&B and blues all of its mashed into this one sound and I think growing up around that music and seeing people make something out of nothing, seeing people make -- create rhythm that lasts for hours and hours. I think when I approach my work that's what it is right. It's all about sort of recall and response from me and the reader it's about this influence and this influence, and this influence and then it's a bit of just irreverence right. Like a lot of my work is really just me pushing back against what everybody says I'm supposed to do with literature or what literature capital L literature is supposed be and I think all of that sort of stems from growing up in the city where -- where the music was such a big part of our culture. >> Sasha: That's fantastic, thank you. We have a question from Melissa. What three things would you say to reluctant teen readers? I read Stamped: Racism, Antiracism and You rocked my world. >> Jason: First of all thank you, I'm glad it rocked your world. The one thing I would say to reluctant teen readers is first of all it's alright; I ain't here to judge you. I think sometimes we make -- we make young folks who have a hard time reading or who haven't found their way into the reading world we make -- we make ya'll feel like ya'll less than and ya'll aren't -- ya'll aren't right. So the first thing you have to know is you are not the symbol of miscrience, you're not the symbol of like oh he or she is one of those or they -- you know you don't read oh right. So all this stuff that we wrap around reading which turns it into this weird elitist thing that doesn't make anyone want to read any more. So first I want to say it's ok. Second of all I want to say there -- but or and there is literature in work out there for you. The thing about reading is that it's -- it's -- there's so much -- there's so many different kinds of text, so many different kinds of literature that it's really a conversation around you finding your -- what you like. But there is something out there. You know when I was growing up I never saw my uncles or anybody reading novels but I got -- but I woke up every morning and watched my uncle read the newspaper from cover to cover every day. Why should he be seen as less than because he didn't read Beloved? He read the Washington Post cover to cover right every day. Why isn't that enough right? And so I think it's about finding what it is you like to read even if it's -- even if it's not a novel and I know there are going to be people who are like oh no novels are -- we need to teach kids to read novels. Listen, I just want you reading something, I don't care if it's a book about fortnite, I don't care if it's a beauty magazine just make sure that you're sort of exercising your mind because what reading really does is it serves as the only actual like weight to strengthen the mind. It's like the dumbbell, the bar bell for the brain. The more you read the stronger your mind gets whether you're reading fiction or non-fiction, editorials or blogs or whatever it is all of it is strengthening your brain muscles so that you can navigate the world differently. >> Sasha: Yeah, that's wonderful we all need people with stronger minds, stronger [inaudible]. Here's a related question from Brittany, what are your methods to get young black boys to read and get excited about reading? >> Jason: You know I think about them most often when I'm doing my own work and I think the reason that so many young black boys don't read is because -- it's because -- one time I was, I had given a talk at Forbes and they were like you know we were talking about statistics right. And because this is Forbes and that's what they deal in you know business, numbers and they kept saying numbers don't lie, numbers don't like that's like their mantra. That's every business person's mantra numbers don't lie. And the truth is is that it's true numbers don't lie but numbers don't tell whole truths either right. And so according to the numbers what we would say is that like because black boys, quote un-quote black boys aren't reading then there's no reason to publish books about black boys. When the truth is that if I were to see those statistics and I would say black boys aren't reading and it's because there aren't enough books about black boys that reflect their lives and their existences right. And that if we could provide those books maybe they'll see themselves and they'll lock down. I actually haven't had any problems having young black boys read right and the reason why is because the books I'm writing are being written with them in mind. I'm writing directly to them right I'm saying this is a book that is mirroring your life or at least your language or at least your disposition or at least your age range, your culture. Like this is the way that we do it, we can't expect young -- I don't know why we expect them to want to read and why we think we can fight against all the other stimuli unless we makes something that is catered directly -- directly to them even if it makes the adults in our lives a little uncomfortable. And I think if we do than then it works. What's the field of dreams joint right if you build it they will come. We just ain't built it. And so if we build it for them I think they will come and I -- and I don't see myself as some exception, I don't think that I'm some exceptional person. I just think I built it and they came -- that's all. And I would've come to if I was that age -- I understand where they coming from. I didn't have anything either. If I had these books -- if Ghost existed when I was in the seventh grade I'd have been reading it. >> Sasha: So what are you building next? What is your next novel? That's Sylvia's question, what's your next novel being published and what's the name? >> Jason: I can't talk about it. I mean you know I usually break this rule just because I think it's a silly rule. Here's what I will say, I really don't know why we don't talk about things. But I don't want to tell you because then it might change or this might happen or it might not come out. It's like oh you changed your mind right. What I will say is this I'm curious about writing about divorce. As a child who experienced it and who went through it and a lot of us are going through it or have been through it I think there hasn't been enough for me literature that kind of encapsulated what it felt like to watch his parents go through that or for you to go through. You know all of that stuff so I'm thinking about writing about divorce but I'm also really interested in tapping into the bridge book world -- that in between. That's why I'm reading all this Dav Pilkey stuff because I think -- I look at my sort of I have there's a picture book coming out sometime within the next year, I've got all this middle grade and we have all this YA and then I've got some adult stuff coming in 2022 but there's a little pocket there that I actually have not tapped into that I would love to kind of put my stamp on, put my foot in and that's that in between between the picture book and the middle grade. And so we'll see, we'll see. >> Sasha: Yeah, fantastic. We are all looking forward to the titles for all ages. >> Jason: Thank you. >> Sasha: Well rewinding back from Brianna, what initially inspired you to become a writer and author in the first place? >> Jason: It's tricky, I think when I was growing up we didn't know any authors, it wasn't like -- it wasn't -- it just wasn't a part of our lives or our existence right. You don't -- this wasn't a thing right. The National Book -- the National Book Festival existed I believe but -- but the idea that you could just sort of interface with authors or authors would come into your school well that just wasn't something that I experienced. And so I never knew that I could be an author. What I know is that I had something to say right. I was a kid who felt like he -- his story wasn't being told. I loved rap music because I felt like they were telling versions of our stories and they looked like me and they talked like me and they sounded like my older brother and they moved like my older brother, they dressed like -- you know I loved rap music and I studied rap lyrics as a kid and I studied sort of the way rappers were sort of breaking down language and bending language. Like rapping -- rapping is all about sound and so they would bend words to make them fit with words that actually don't rhyme with them and I thought that was like genius. And all they -- you know I learned early on that you can actually manipulate language however you choose to. And so it wasn't until I -- I think my first sort of touch with it all, my first brush with it was when my grandmother died and I wrote a poem for my mother when I was 10 years old and she printed them in the funeral program. And it -- I got all of this affirmation from my family members at the funeral who say yo man that thing you wrote for grandmom and we loved it man it changed -- it made us feel better. I was 10 years old right that was the beginning was that oh words can cast spell. Right, 26 letters is all we have to work with -- 26 letters that's it. And I get -- I get an infinite amount of possibility when it comes to how I arrange 26 letters to cast a spell on people that can make them feel differently. That's all I needed. >> Sasha: Yeah, that's beautiful. Thank you for that answer. Here's a question from Olivia. Jason Reynolds three exclamation points I respect how you cultivate relationships with other authors whether that's in your interviews or writing collaborations. How do you choose who you partner with when you do? Or, do you have authors you'd like to collaborate with in the future? >> Jason: That's a -- no one's ever asked this question. That's a good question. So I -- so I am a bit of a purist right. It's interesting, somebody who's so -- who looks at literature so irreverently I still have -- I still believe in tradition and I come through a particular tradition right. And I believe in sort of integrity, the integrity of literature and the integrity of the text right. That's why I said I get upset when people don't ask me about the sentence level stuff like what does he do with the sentences? And so I -- that's what I look for when it comes to people I work with right. You think about Brendan Kiely with All American Boys if you read any of his other books this is a dude who cares about the sentence right. Word for word he's thinking through every word, every sentence, every -- I mean he's so methodical about making sure that everything is where it needs to be so that it works right, so that it's effective when it comes to pulling the reader into this world. So that's the first think I always am looking for intention and integrity. And not just when it comes to the language but also intension and integrity when it comes to life. I can't work with nobody who I don't like right. I work -- I work for -- for young people and if you ain't approaching your work in service to young people I can't line up with you, I can't work with you because we see the world differently. I see young people as the greatest gift that we have right. If you see them as a way to make money then you and I can't work together, it's very simple for me. In terms of who I'd like to collaborate with in the future gosh man there's so many brilliant writers I would -- I would love to work with Renee Watson. I love Renee Watson, I'd love to work with -- Elizabeth Acevedo on something that would be cool. And then in the adult sector I'd love to write with Kiese Laymon or Jesmyn Ward if they'd have me; I don't know if they would? I don't know if I'm good enough but if they'd have me I think I would love to -- for Jesmyn Ward to give me a shot to like do something collaboratively with her or Kiese Laymon who is a big brother to me. I would love -- or even Jackie, I mean Jacqueline Woodson is like one of my close, close, close, close friends. I would love to be like yo let's do something together, let's make a thing together. I don't know the possibilities are endless. >> Sasha: Well we're excited for all the possibilities. Here's a little bit of a different question from Daniela. Are you going to write more non-fiction books? I hope so. >> Jason: Oh Danielle you know Daniela over the years I've learned to not say no so that the answer is maybe. Right now I'm not really thinking about any of that. I don't -- I can't really imagine myself writing non-fiction right now but what I will say is this writing Stamped the way that I wrote Stamped and because it -- and because it worked because I was like I don't know if this is going to work or not. I don't know you know but because it seemed to have like caught hold and it's taken a place in sort of a cultural [inaudible]. It does make me think that maybe I'm on to something right. Maybe we could really re-work some of this stuff and I could write more non-fiction in a voice that feels familiar; really break down the whole like non-fictioness of non-fiction. You know I really kind of dismantle some of that stuff. Because I think non-fiction because we have to state the facts; they believe that the facts have to state in a way that is boring or that is plain right. Just like here are the facts, this is what happened, here's the way it happened right. And I think there are certain people I look at like Timothy Egan who I think is a genius non-fiction writer or -- or I mean there's -- I mean Pete Hamill who I think is a genius -- who was a genius non-fiction so there are people that I look to as like these brilliant non-fiction writers who have done this for adult sector but I think writing non-fiction for young people. I could even take it even further and take what they've done in the adult sector and do it for kids so we'll see -- I don't know. >> Sasha: So when you are writing, here's one question from Karen do you listen to music when you write? It sounds like music has a huge influence on your words, who are some of your favorite musicians? There are several people who asked that question too like in a related question Laura wants to know if you're a great singer yourself? >> Jason: Am I a great singer? I wouldn't say I'm a great singer. I'd be singing in the shower. I mean look there's probably -- I used to be like a songwriter and all of that stuff and I'm sure there's probably scratch tapes of me on the internet somewhere of me doing samples of songs that I've written for other people -- that's in a previous life but I wouldn't call myself a singer, no. But I'm honest therefore I could probably make good songs right. You know it's like was Bob Dylan a good singer? Eh, but he was honest right so it works you know. Leonard Cohen but it can go on and on. In terms of music do I listen to music when I'm writing? I wish I could but I can't because I love music too much and so I wouldn't be able to focus on both of those things. I need to concentrate when I'm writing; I do like noise though a little white noise. I like the voices of human beings; I feel like if I have like people talking or if I play a podcast and hear people talking what it does is it helps me focus on my voice because -- because their voices drown out all the other voices in my head so it distills the voice I need to actually work. Like but if it's just me in silence I can hear all the -- it's a lot happening up here right. But if I turn on -- if I go to a coffee shop or a cafe or I put on a podcast then that just a little bit of human noise it like quiets all of my other voices and I can just hear the one I need to hear to do the thing I need to do. But I don't, I can't play music; I play music in the morning, I play music at night, I play music in the car, I play music all the time when I'm not writing. And I -- and I love everything. I love -- I mean I grew up, my father when he was -- when my parents were together we listened to a bunch of rock-n-roll in the 1980's and folk music and then my brother listened to a lot of hip hop and that's the 19, late 80's early 90's. My mom was all about Motown and Detroit and this is back when there were no air pods nothing like that -- air buds and so you had to listen to whatever your parents were listening to and so I got all the influences were sort of coming into my young mind at a young age and so I still love all those musics today. The blues, jazz, my little brother's an orchestral musician so he's always making me listen to all sorts of classical music which is beautiful. Soundtracks, I mean everything so. >> Sasha: And that's a good thing to surround yourself with. >> Jason: For sure. >> Sasha: Analine would like to know since your surround yourself with young people and listen to them what's the farthest you've been to hear different voices? >> Jason: Oh, I've been all over -- I've been to -- I've been to Hong Kong and Singapore. You know and it's interesting because the one thing is -- the interesting thing about the voices of young people whether you're in Hong Kong or Singapore or whether I'm in Germany -- Ebrach Germany. Ebrach is like this like -- it's like a hill -- I don't know what you call them it's like a hill land right like this it's just a land where all these hills and it's in the middle of the countryside and there's like a house here and then a house 10 miles away and cows and all sorts of things. And I went to Ebrach to a prison to a youth prison which was in an old monastery right -- that was I mean just a fascinating sort of experience. All over Europe though I mean all over Europe and all over Europe and what's fascinating is it doesn't matter where you are young people all laugh at the same jokes. It's amazing whether you're in Hong Kong or whether you're in Harlem they're all laughing at this -- if I crack the same joke in Harlem that I do at Hong Kong everybody laughs at the same jokes. And that is -- that is one of the -- that's one of those things I hold onto to remind myself of the beauty of life. That is actually still no matter -- no matter all of the nonsense going on that life in the world is still more good than bad. >> Sasha: That's beautiful. We have two related questions about your characters. Katy wants to know which one of your characters do you personally relate to the most? And Ida asks how do you think of your great character names? >> Jason: Which of the characters do I most related to is complicated. I think I'm probably a bit of all of them you know. I think when I'm -- I think my whole life in literature is me pulling myself apart right. These are all slivers of my being right. A little bit of you know people at the track series people are always like we want coaches. This is a prime example of how it works by the way and this is a -- this is also a bit of an Easter egg on the track series. Everybody says we all want coach's story. We've read Ghost, Patina, Sunny and Lu but what about Lu? We want to hear coaches story, we want more coach and you know the truth is if you want coaches story you've already gotten it because those four characters if you put them all together they equal one man and that's coach. Right, it's really coaches story that I'm telling in the story. Its coach's story that you're getting and that's really what it is for me. One day when I'm you know -- you know God willing I will live to be an old man. I hope people take all of these books and line them up and say we'll get a good glimpse of who Jason Reynolds is if we read all the books because there's a little -- I'm, it's me right. Matt Miller in Boy in the Black Suit, that's me. Genie in As Brave as You, that's me. You know, you know all the characters in Look Both Ways so many of them are just parts of me that I'm plopping into the stories. Now in terms of the names a lot of these are the names of my friends you know. I come from a community and a neighborhood where a group of friends who never thought they'd ever see themselves in books let alone their actual names. And so I take -- I use these books as moments of tribute to immortalize my friends and family members by actually putting their names and some of their personalities in the stories. >> Sasha: That's great, so there's a piece of you in every book that we read. >> Jason: Every single one. >> Sasha: That's fantastic. Well so sorry to say that we're out of time. This has been incredible, thank you so much Jason for sharing your time with us so generously today. Everyone we've been speaking with Jason Reynolds whose latest book is Stamped: Racism, Antiracism and You. You can find this presentation on the teen stage of the National Book Festival. You can go to loc.gov/bookfest and thank you so much to the audience here today. I hope all of you take the time to explore many programs. Thank you for your incredible questions today and I hope you enjoy the remainder of the National Book Festival.