>> Kathleen McGuigan: Welcome to this afternoon's session. Innovations with a Sanborn Maps Navigator. The Sanborn Maps collection from the Library of Congress consists of over 50,000 historical atlases, with around 32,000 of them currently available online. These richly detailed maps offer many approaches for study and research for the classroom. Today, our educator and residents, Jackie Katz, will explore the collection and examine an innovative application called the Sanborn Maps Navigator, which encourages exploration of and engagement with the Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps Collection. So a little bit of housekeeping. First, we are recording today's session. So if you choose to participate, any of your comments or questions will become part of the library's collections. This is for those who are in the live session and the live session only. We will certify your attendance with a follow up email and that will be sent by early next week. And for those viewing the recording, unfortunately, we cannot certify that for credit. So on to the program for today. A little bit about Jackie Katz. She is a high school science teacher from Princeton, New Jersey, and she is serving as this year's Library of Congress, Albert Einstein distinguished Education fellow. And this is a program that is sponsored by the US Department of Energy, and it provides a unique opportunity for accomplished K-12 educators in the STEM fields to serve in the national education arena. And for more, I will put something-- I'll put the link to that in the chat. And Jackie has taught biology and chemistry at Princeton High School for the past ten years. She's built a research program at the high school based on her own experience with cell and developmental biology research. Without further ado, I will hand things over to Jackie. >> Jacqueline Katz: Awesome. Thank you so much, Kathy, and very excited to be here to talk about Sanborn Maps and innovative tools that could potentially be very useful in the classroom. So I want to get us started just with some introductions. It looks like some of us have started this, but I'd love to hear where everyone's tuning in from. And if you're a teacher or an informal educator or anything of the sort, what you teach, just to give us an idea of who's in the room. I see we have some people... Zooming in from Hawaii. I'm a little jealous. Cool. Well, we're all over the place. Texas and Georgia and Wisconsin and D.C. Well, the good news is, like, we're all over the place. Sanborn Maps are also all over the place, so I'm sure everyone's going to find a place to kind of connect with this collection as we chat today. So I'll let everyone continue to add that to the chat and I'll just chat a little bit about our plan for the session. So over the next hour, our hope is to touch on what Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps are. If this is new to you and what innovative tools exist for searching this collection, as well as how these tools can be used in the classroom, right? Whether it's a formal classroom or informal learning sort of session, we're going to talk about ways to apply to all of it. So to get us thinking about this topic, Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps. We might as well start by taking a look at one. So Kathy has just placed in the chat a PDF that has a copy of the image that's currently on the screen if you need to get a little closer to it. So I would like to start with just everyone taking a look at this map and typing any sort of wanderings they have in the chat. Okay. And I'm going to put a slightly bigger version up on the screen. Okay. But if you just want to type anything, this map makes you wonder. In the chat. Excellent question. What are the colors mean? What's it recording? When was it created? All excellent questions. Why are some of the lines thicker than others? Very close observations. Oh, here we go. So many things to think about. Why don't they orient the maps? North, south. Good question. What college owns the college property? Oh, everyone's already got good eyes on this map. I love it. Awesome. Who created it? Great. So we're going to dig into some of these questions as we go through today's session, because I imagine, like you're asking these questions, it is likely students you work with would be asking these questions as well when they see a Sanborn Fire Insurance Map for the first time. So. Let's chat a little bit about what this collection is, if it's new to you. So this is an example of a Sanborn Fire Insurance Map. Good question. We're still noticing lots of things. I love it. Right. And it is just one of many maps that's located in the geography and map division at the Library of Congress. So this division at the library is the largest and most comprehensive cartographic collection in the world. Right. So they store about 5.2 million maps and the Sanborn Maps make up about 700,000 of those. And this image right over here is when I was able to sneak back in and visit the Sanborn up, visit the Geography and Map division, and take a picture of what this collection actually looks like on their shelves. So there's boxes and boxes and binders and binders of these 700,000 pages of maps, which is pretty cool. So basically all of these maps, like the one we first looked at, that you see in the PDF as well as this one pictured here, are building level maps, meaning like you saw in our opening activity, individual buildings diagrammed, including details about those buildings. And I think some of the questions were about when this map was created. The Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps as a whole started being produced in 1867. There's only about 1 or 2 maps from that early on. Majority of them start in about the 1880s and go all the way up to the present day. A large portion of these maps are digitized and accessible from anywhere in the world. So our friends in Alaska and Hawaii, you can also access many, many of these maps from the collection. And it really shows a very diverse array of locations, about 12,000 cities and towns in the United States, Canada and Mexico. So this picture on the slide is one I took while down in the Geography and Maps Division. And the hope was to give you a little bit of a sense of size. If you're a classroom teacher and you ever work with chart paper or easel paper, that's about the size of these maps. So they're not small, even though they can look that way sometimes in the digitized version and they can be found on like regular thickness paper, but some of them are printed on nice cardstock paper. And this had to do with the fact that to make these maps, surveyors had to spread out across the country and go to these actual locations to create them. So everyone had a slightly different style to making them, even though there was like a standardized manual that got given out to all of these different surveyors who worked for the Sanborn Fire Insurance Company. So I want to go back to the map we started with now that we know a little bit more about what the Sanborn Fire Insurance Map collection is. And I want to dig into some of those questions that you brought up originally with your wanderings. So let's just throw some ideas out there. I think someone asked originally, I wonder what the colors mean. Anybody want to harness a guess of what the colors on this map might mean? You got a thought? You could just drop it into the chat. Okay. Residential, commercial and government buildings. Blue for water. Like that. Building material. Height of building. All right. Revisions. Cool. All right. I'm seeing a decent number of votes for building material, which is exactly what the colors mean on this map. And asking questions like that to students is going to kind of force them to search for evidence in this map. So that's a powerful tool of kind of bringing maps into the classroom. Students can use these maps to find evidence. Okay. So maybe when you're first introducing this, just like we are now, you ask students to predict these types of questions, right? What do the colors mean? Maybe you want to ask the students, you know, what these dotted lines we see in the streets might be? What are these blue dots that are scattered throughout? Right. And students might have some context that these are fire insurance maps so they might care about, I don't know, fire hydrants or something. Or they could just be creating predictions based on what they know about the layout of a town or city, which is always very interesting to hear what students think certain things represent. Of course, after you kind of noodle these things around and brainstorm possible answers, you could show them the key that exists for these maps, right? We said there's 500,000 pages of maps and surveyors were spread all across the country creating these maps. So there had to be some standardized methods involved in this. So the Sanborn company did come up with a key to show, you know, just like you had predicted, that the different colors, the different colors represent different materials that these buildings can be made out of. So we're seeing stone buildings and concrete buildings and frame buildings like wood buildings, iron buildings, so students can interact with these maps and also learn how to use a legend or key. And of course, some of these maps can get relatively complex. You know, you get to a city like New York City, which has lots of different kinds of buildings. They may have had to expand this key a little bit. So each specific volume of these maps that you look at might have a slightly edited key, which will always be included with those maps. And lots of information can be found on the about the collection page, which was created out of the Geography and Map Division. And you could go here and learn a lot about the different symbols and numbers and what it all represents. We're not going to dive into this too, too much today, but know the information is available for you. And like Kathy just mentioned in the chat, we're going to share this slideshow with you and all of these vital pages are linked, so you'll be able to access all of these things directly from the slideshow. So let's... Go back and take a look here. Right. So now we have the map we first started with sitting next to our key. And of course, this could be a little overwhelming at first, trying to make sense of everything going on on this map. But what might be useful in the classroom or when you yourself are interacting with these maps for the first time is to zone in on a specific section. So I found this slice of the map particularly interesting. And just to give you a little background on why I chose this map out of 500,000 pages, right? This is a map of Princeton, New Jersey, from 1885. Princeton, New Jersey, is actually where I teach. So it was very interesting to look at what this map-- What this town looked like rather in 1885. And this interest, this part of the map was so interesting to me because once we zoom in and take a look, you'll see there's a public school located within this section of the map. So this is also included in your Sanborn Map handout, this kind of zoomed in section here. And now that we're looking at a specific zoomed in section with the key next to it. I want to give everyone a little bit more time to think about what they or to wonder. Right. What are you now wondering now that you see just this zoomed in section of the map and you have a little bit of information on how to interpret it? So I'll give everyone a moment or two. Again, you could view the image up here on my screen or you could open the handout that Kathy popped in the chat again and just typed out some of your wanderings based on this new vantage point we have. That. Cool. Now we're seeing a little bit more detail, right? We're noticing the numbers in the corner. We're asking how tall the buildings are. I love it. How do they collect this information? It's a great question. What are the X's mean? Right. Could they just look at these buildings and figure it out? I love it. How often is this information updated? That's an interesting question, too. What are gasometers? That's actually where my brain went. I was like, what on earth are these things? Because I have driven down Witherspoon Street and I'm fairly confident that I have never seen a gasometer. So I was definitely interested in that. And my experiences teaching environmental science made my ears kind of perk up thinking about what on earth that is and why it might be relevant to my students. So it actually has to do with coal production and... when kind of producing coal for energy use, gas gets produced and they actually store the gas in these iron structures, which is what a gasometer is. Go figure. It's a good-- the pond actually, I don't think is still there. That's an excellent question, but I was thinking my students might look at this and start asking some environmental questions. Right? Like this used to be a coal shed. They used to store iron gas. Right. Right here across from the public school. Do we think that means anything for the present day soil or water sources, even if this pond is not here? Is there adjacent water sources that we might be concerned about? So I really thought that this could be a great launching point for my students to ask some really interesting questions that they wouldn't have been able to find. Right. So through this first part of our webinar together, right, we've looked at a Sanborn Map and we've asked a lot of questions. Right. And of course, we could kind of dive in and try to answer those questions. But I think the initial beauty of these maps is they allow students to, you know, ask a lot of questions, potentially make a lot of connections, and that could lead your classroom conversations in lots of different directions. And what we want to do now in kind of the second part of the webinar is think about how some of the innovative tools at the library can help your students answer those questions or could help you set up these types of experiences for your students. So we're going to look at a few innovative tools in the next couple of slides to help us figure out how we can find Sanborn Maps and how we can kind of, you know, get a sense of the overall dimensions of the collection. And one of the main resources, like Kathy mentioned at the beginning that we're going to chat about is this Sanborn Map Navigator, which is the product of a pretty awesome little division here at the library called LC Labs. And we're actually lucky in that we have an awesome member of LC Labs here with us who's going to give us a little background on what LC Labs is and kind of why they would build a tool like the Sanborn Map Navigator that we're going to be looking at for the next bit of our webinar. So, Eileen. >> Eileen Manchester: Yes? Can you hear me okay? >> Jacqueline Katz: Yes. >> Eileen Manchester: It is such a privilege and a treat to be here with all of you today. I am a former classroom teacher and so it's really nice. It's a little farther away from what I do for work now, but so nice to be able to work and support Jackie and some of the other amazing educator fellows at the Library of Congress hosts. So yeah, LC Labs is the name of a small team. We're situated in the office of the Chief Information Officer, and our goal is to really help the Library of Congress learn about new ways of searching, presenting, sort of exploring the digital collections, but also just new ways of doing things so you can think of us as kind of like an incubator for testing things in an experimental way before they move into kind of a production level system. But also what we do a lot is bring people in who can help kind of lend their perspective on what the Library of Congress could be. And so this project, the Sanborn Maps Navigator, was born out of a junior fellow position. So this is a summer internship and fellowship program. But lots of different divisions of the library participate in. And we were very fortunate to be able to host several even in 2020 when things had to shift online. And so Celina is the name of the junior fellow who actually created this tool, and I'll share a little bit more about her in the chat. And she saw an opportunity to connect to work that had been done by one of the 2020 innovators and residents named Ben Lee. So that's another program that we use to kind of bring people in, kind of like the residency that Jackie is doing, but through the kind of lens of experimentation. And he built out a project called Newspaper Navigator where he was able to extract all of the visual content from the chronicling America database, which you hear about. Actually, I won't tell you too much because I'm realizing now you'll hear more about it in the next webinar. But what Celina did is she saw an opportunity to take the kind of place based resources of the Sanborn Maps and then tie that to some of these images from the same place and time in the newspapers covering that area. And so it's essentially an interactive search tool that allows you to sort of narrow in place by place, but then also to-- Yeah, well, you'll hear more about it from Jackie, but to kind of also have the element of surprise, there's a surprise me button. So we try to do things like that too, to kind of really like figure out what is possible and then also figure out where the the kind of constraints that we're running into to try to like long term achieve the library's digital transformation. So I'll stop there, but I'm happy to be here to answer any questions later on and to just champion all the work that you all are doing. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you so, so much, Eileen. Very helpful. And you know, as a teacher coming to the library, I didn't know much about LC Labs. But as I've learned and as we're going to talk about today, there's a lot of tools living on this page that could be potentially interesting in a classroom setting, especially for those more technologically inclined students, which is more and more of them as time goes on. So like we said, we talked about Sanborn Maps in general, and we kind of, you know, demoed how you can have students interact with them in the classroom. But now we're going to shift gears and think about how can you find them and how can students find them. So this is where the Sanborn Map Navigator comes into play. So when you log into the Sanborn Map Navigator and like I said, we're going to share all these links with you at the end of the webinar, you're going to see this lovely data visualization. And what's cool about this right off the bat is to think about how like a paper collection sitting on the shelves in the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C. can be represented digitally and graphically. Right? Sometimes these things don't align in our minds thinking about like historical maps and, you know, computer software and computer programming and data visualizations, which is basically what we're seeing on the home page of this Sanborn Map Navigator. So it's kind of cool in that it shows us the number of Sanborn Maps in various states that are part of our digital collection. So you can see New York, Pennsylvania, Texas, lots of maps going on there. Fewer maps happening out in Alaska, down in the south. And out in the west. But luckily, I think there's representation from pretty much all of these states. So what you can do is this is an interactive map so you're able to click to the state. So in my case, I told you my slight bias for New Jersey, right? I'm from New Jersey. I teach in New Jersey. So I clicked on New Jersey. Immediately when you click on New Jersey, it gets broken up into counties because the Sanborn Maps have been organized based on county. So now I can see even more data about which counties are best represented in the state of New Jersey. And when you click on them, the different counties are going to pop up in this window on the right of your screen. And Eileen mentioned as well how this also integrates the digitized newspapers. You're also going to get a randomly selected newspaper image from that state. So I'm getting this picture from Bridgeton, New Jersey, from 1900, which may or may not be relevant to the activity your students doing, but it will definitely prompt some new questions. So then what I could do is I could easily interact with any of these different counties, and I'm from Monmouth County, so if I were to click on Monmouth County, it would then break up into towns and I would be able to, you know, select my hometown Red Bank and see all the different maps that were made of Red Bank throughout time. So I might see, you know, five different maps made between 1880 and 1945, which is really kind of powerful and could be very, very interesting. In the case of my Princeton map that we looked at earlier. Right. That was the 1885 map, but that was about one of 8 or 9 maps made of Princeton, New Jersey. So I could definitely get a kind of time scale view of how the town has changed. And something else really cool about this. Eileen also mentioned it in her little intro is this surprise me button. If you just want to go to the Sanborn Map Navigator and learn something about someplace new that you've never visited, you can click that button and it's very likely a town will pop up that you never heard of. And this could be a great way to get students just interacting with the navigator if they've never used it before, and also learning about a new place, even though I know it's like very tempting to go look up all the places that you've lived or been or worked. And trust me, you can get lost on this rabbit hole, right? Thinking about your town. And what's also really, really cool about this is if you are on the tech side of things, maybe you're teaching a computer science class or you have, you know, like a lot of our states now, standards where you need to address computer science within your specific discipline. All of the information about how Selena, the innovator in residence that Eileen referenced, created this is freely available. So if you or one of your students is particularly interested in how you take, you know, a collection of historical maps and convert it into this interactive digital tool, you can find out all about that on the Sanborn Map Navigator page. Okay. And you can get a lot of the code information if you wanted to replicate something similar. And of course, if you want to go deeper into this, we'll have some time for questions at the end. Okay, So, Sanborn Map Navigator is tool number one in terms of ways you can find Sanborn Maps to bring into your classrooms and have those interesting inquiry based conversations. Okay. The second tool we're going to chat about is the Sanborn Atlas Volume Finder, which is again another example of how we can take a historical collection and convert it into a digital interactive tool. So this volume finder currently does not include all of the digitized maps. They're slowly being brought over to this, but you can see how maps from multiple different cities are currently part of this tool. And what's cool about this tool is I'm going to show you in a second is that you can search present day addresses, which is useful because you'll notice if you look at some of these towns over time, streets have changed, names have changed, numbering has changed. So it's kind of cool to have this ability to search addresses. So... Because I'm temporarily living in Washington, D.C. I started with a search of Washington, D.C. So from this starting map, which is on the home page of the volume finder, again a link you're going to get at the end of the webinar, I was able to click on Washington D.C. and get this pop up window. From this pop up window, I was able to access the volume finder for D.C. by clicking here and I was able to type in the address I was curious about. And for me, this was my favorite coffee shop that I have found in D.C. So 600 H Street Northeast popped that in. Here it showed up and I immediately saw that there was a map of this location between 1903 and 1916. That's why I'm seeing this teal color over here. Okay. And if you're actually on the Atlas Finder page, you'll see that this legend over here is interactive and you can click on and off the different colors, which I highly recommend you do, because currently this teal color is blocking out some of the other colors that are also there. There's also a 1917 to 1929 edition, as well as a 1959 to a 1961 edition. So it might look like there's only one time frame represented, but there's more color layers underneath here. So then what you're able to do is click on the location. And get direct information about where this address is in the map. So I'm able to see that in volume two from 1904, I'm going to be able to find 608 Street Northeast and I can get there directly from this volume finder. So I click here and I get taken to a Library of Congress web page, and there is volume II of the Washington, D.C. maps. And the first image in that page that I'm brought to is an index. And from that index I can find out that 600 H Street Northeast is in image 177. Right. Just to give you a little bit of visual, right? These maps are collections because D.C. is huge. When the Sanborn Map was made in 1904, there was multiple pages of this map. So instead of flipping through 170 plus pages, you could go directly to the right page. And in my case, that was page 177. Here it is. Page 177. I see it marked up in the corner. I see this section of Washington, D.C. And if I zoom in on H Street, which is right here at the top, I can find 600 H Street. And I can also see that 600 H Street was not a coffee shop in 1905. It was a bicycle repair shop. Which is pretty cool, right? And I can see that next to it where all these different dwellings, that's what D is standing for on this map. And I can see that it used to be a two storey building. That's why I'm seeing this number 2 right here, which is kind of crazy because now it's an apartment high rise. So it's a lot more than two stories. But this is just a great way to dig through those 500,000 pages of maps pretty quickly to get what you're looking for, which would not necessarily be easy if you were going kind of directly through the digital collections page looking for a specific address. So we have two pretty innovative tools. We have the Sanborn Map Navigator that helps us, you know, visualize the distribution of these maps as well as to quickly kind of search down into the specific county or town we want and also gives the powerful visual of looking at maps over time for a specific location and that cool link to digitized newspapers in chronicling America. And then our second innovative tool is the Sanborn Atlas Volume Finder, which allows you to do searches by address, okay, which is super user friendly and nice to do. And it's going to give you information about the digitized maps as well as the non digitized maps that exist in the library's collections. So of course, we're from all over the country. It's usually easiest to interact with maps that are digitally available. And a good chunk of this collection you can find online. But there are way more here at the library. And if you were interested about a specific version, you could always take a trip and see the non digitized map as well. So two innovative tools that show us interesting ways that historical map collections can be visualized and interacted with. And just the nature of these tools presents a unique opportunity in the classroom for students to think of innovative questions. Okay, so. What I'm hoping to think about now that we've seen a few ways you can interact with the maps in our opening activity, we've looked at two innovative tools that organize this collection. Now I'm curious what sort of innovative questions do you think these maps could prompt if you were to show them to a learner or a student? So I'll give everyone a few moments to think on this question. All right. And you might reflect on things you typed in the chat earlier like your wanderings. But I'm curious if you're looking at a Sanborn map, what innovative questions might you start to ask? I know it can be tricky to put it into words, but if I scroll back in the chat, I can see that there were some interesting things asked earlier on. Like... The question about revisions I thought was interesting, right? If you look at a map and you know that people are going out kind of on foot. Looking at these locations, you know, you might be asking like, how were revisions made? Did they make revisions? Seeing new things pop up. Let's see. Are there patterns to town planning across the country? Oh, that's a cool question. Can you see evidence of an event or a natural disaster? Love that. How has non-building space in neighbourhoods changed over time? Oh, that's really interesting. What impact might that have on local culture? How have residential neighborhoods changed over time? These are awesome. Cool. Cool. So. It's clear that these maps can take you in so many different directions and like, who knows what a student might come up with? It's never really easy to predict what they're thinking. Oh, what happened when the railroad came? I love that. Right. So many questions that by potentially using the innovative tools you can answer, right? You could look at maps for a specific location over time. You could see an area pre railroad, post railroad and try to figure out what went on. So this is awesome. So I want to quickly show you some. I'm going to come back to that questions that I've gathered by talking to teachers who use Sanborn Maps and interacting with the TPS teachers network and seeing all the great things that educators have posted there. Here's just a list of some questions that I've seen pop up that seem to kind of fit in that innovative questions category. So some people in the chat have touched on this. How have things developed over time? What is valued in a specific area? Who is counted? Because you might notice when you look at the Sanborn Map Navigator and you look down at a county level, you could see that certain counties are better represented than others. Why might that be? Who lived in those various areas? Could that have played something based on what we know was happening during the time frame? What environmental concerns exist? This kind of hits at the example I brought up where we looked at the Iron Gasometer. Should we be concerned about that? Should students maybe go out and test the soil in that area? Can we in 2023 find any experimental evidence of those gasometers there? I don't know. Right. And then you might want to ask yourself, like, why do they put them there? Why didn't they put them in a different part of town? All great questions. As the population increased or decreased, how do you know? Right. Here's an opportunity to connect the Sanborn Map collection to other collections or other artifacts, perhaps the census or statistical atlases from the time period. And this kind of links to the comment in the chat from Lisa. Population migration. Did a population in one location increase while another decreased. What does that tell us about what was going on during that time? Has the shoreline changed? I brought this one up because when I visited the Geography and Maps division a few weeks back, one of the librarians there was working on... adding Cleveland to the volume finder. And she had noticed that they must have extended the shoreline in Cleveland and you could see that on the map. So that's a cool and very timely question, especially I'm from New Jersey and there's been lots of issues with soil erosion. This could be an interesting thing to look at. Not only soil, but, you know, beach erosion. How can the layout of a town or city help explain a historical event? Okay. This definitely goes back to the question about like seeing an event or natural disaster. Right? There have been huge fires in certain cities. Can you go back and look at the building materials in those cities? Could that have played a role? Did the building materials change pre fire and post fire? Right. Did people respond to that event? And then, of course, what are the pros and cons of a city/town design? Right. Moving to D.C. and expecting to find a grid like system exactly like New York. I was, you know, pleasantly surprised or slightly confused that that wasn't exactly the case here. So what are the pros and cons of that? The way D.C. is laid out compared to how New York's laid out. Students can look at these maps, gain an understanding for the layout and start to debate pros and cons, right? Awesome. How has non building space-- I love that. Cool. Awesome. So these are just some ideas and you'll notice that some of these are linked and these are just resources that are available to help you if you and your students were to address those questions. And many of these resources that you'll see linked here have been developed out of the Geography and Map division, showing you how to do things like view the Sanborn Maps and interpret change over time. Also, they have organized several Sanborn Maps around certain historical events or important historical places that you can use as a basis for the research that you and your students perhaps do together. So again, you'll have access to all of these links. Okay. So I do want to pop back because we have a second question and I want to think about this second question. How might you support student interactions with these maps? So. What sort of things might you do to help students, you know, access these maps. Cool. Annotate the map with a historical photo. I love that. Start them with some, you know, real place based learning and have them find their current address. I love discuss why and how they were made for context. That's awesome. Yeah. Overlay maps from different years. That's cool. There's actually one of the links that we saw on the last slide. Actually has a video to show you how you could do that, how you can overlay these historical maps over current Google maps and see how they compare. I love this. Have them create a map of their current neighborhood using the older maps as reference. Awesome, right? First looking together at a section of a map and then a search-- Then searching for personal meaning. Love that. Cool. So there's lots of ways to break down these maps and, you know, help students interact with them. And even following the process, we followed similarly like some of you have brought up in the chat. Start them wondering about the map. Get them predicting what the different things might mean. And then and then layering things on, then showing them the key, then giving them a little bit more background about what they're looking at. Awesome. Very cool. So... What I just want to end with thinking about is once you do these things to get students to interact with these maps, right, the various things you've suggested, get them to layer one map on top of another, get them to discuss the how and why, get them to find their current address. They're going to ask lots of different questions. So similar to how I pulled questions from various conversations with educators about how they have used the maps in their classroom. I've also asked them what sort of questions have they overheard their students asking when interacting with these maps. So here's just a few of those questions. Right. And this has come up in our conversation, right? How are these maps made? This is something students have been interested in. Why did insurance companies need this information? Why are certain areas labeled by nationality? So on some of these maps you'll see labeled like Chinatown or, you know, Koreatown. And why-- Why was that necessary to add to these maps? Might be an interesting conversation in your classrooms. How did the Sanborn Company pick the areas to map? Because it's not all over the country. We saw in the newspaper Navigator that there's some concentrated in one area over the others. Many questions about do we still have this feature today or whatever they noticed? A decent number of questions about is it safe for factories to be converted into dwellings, which I thought was very interesting for students to ask. And then again, this kind of came up when we looked at our map, someone asked, I think, is the pond still there? I have certain bodies of water appeared or disappeared. How did that happen? So this just gives you a taste of like what these maps could inspire in your students. The different things they might ask when looking at it, which is really very cool because if they're asking questions, they're probably engaged. And this can kind of take the class in a lot of different directions. Oh, I love this idea to read a historical diary or local history book to find a map of that time. Again, add context to these maps, right? They are historical. There's plenty of other artifacts you could connect to them. We mentioned statistical atlases. We mentioned chronicling America to help build up the story around these maps. Awesome. Well, I want to give us some time in case there are any questions about anything we talked about in including how we started with just kind of ways to interact with the maps as students. If you have any questions about the tools we looked at, which was the Sanborn Newspaper Navigator and the volume finder, if you have any questions about either of those or anything about our last piece of our conversation, but feel free, drop any questions into the chat and... Awesome. All right. So I'm seeing a question. Are there any long term plans for these digital tools? Will they be on the Loc website permanently? Eileen? >> Eileen Manchester: Yeah, I can speak to the Sanborn Map Navigator, and I think the other one, there's some other colleagues on the call who might be able to speak to that. So right now, this falls under the category of kind of labs like experimental tools. However, we are currently going, exploring through internally some publication mechanisms that might allow something like this to stick around a little bit longer. There are no immediate plans to get rid of the tool. And I think the affordances of GitHub are actually quite promising, but just kind of under investigation right now. So it's sort of up in the air. But hearing from people that are using the tool actively really helps inform that conversation. So if you are, please let us know and I can put our group email in the chat as well. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you. Thank you. And I'm pretty certain the volume finder is a part right now of the geography and maps page, and they're continually working to build it out. So I think it's it's going to be around for a while. >> Tim Signage: Hey, I'll just jump in. This is Tim Signage and Geography and Map division, just to echo. Yes, the Sanborn Volume Finder tool. We want to keep it around for the long haul and it is expanding. So I believe Kansas City, I believe is perhaps next. So we've been going through mapping the volume extends for major U.S. cities. I note someone asked about Phoenix that may be on the horizon as well. But yes, we definitely want to keep that project going and expanding to more cities. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you very much. So I'm also seeing Brittany's question. How could a public librarian utilize this resource? I think I'm sure there's a ton of humans on this call that might have great ideas. But my initial thought is, you know, thinking about where your library is located and, you know, getting patrons to interact with that, I'm thinking it would be very interesting for people to come into a library and, you know, see what that particular location looked like years ago. And of course, all of this is freely available for you to access as well as any of your patrons as well. Cool. Oh, awesome. Oh, yeah, I see a reference about Jeffrey Yu Warren's work. Speaking of Sanborn Maps and innovation. That's a great point. If anyone wants to pop on and bring that up because that's a awesome example of innovative ways to use Sanborn Maps. >> Kathleen McGuigan: Eileen, before you get started on that, I just want to make one plug for next week's webinar. As we're heading up to the end of our-- next week's webinar will be on the Newspaper Navigator as it relates to Chronicling America. And it's a database of historic newspapers. So I suggest that if you are interested in that innovative tool to sign up through the link that I just posted into the chat. I'm going to go ahead and post the slides for today and I'm going to hand things over to Eileen. >> >> Eileen Manchester: Yeah. And totally welcome anyone else to come off who wants to chat about this project. So I mentioned the Innovator in Residence program. This is a recurring competitive residency that my team sort of sponsors. And this year's innovator, Geoffrey Warren, is an artist and an educator. I think he works primarily with kind of informal educational settings and he is using Sanborn Maps alongside other photographic and sort of visual materials to create relational reconstruction. So like 3D kind of environments that reconstruct a historic site, especially those that are no longer in the physical environment. So he has a special interest in historic Chinatowns and other neighborhoods and spaces that are important to Asian communities and Asian American communities. And so I posted a link to a blog post that kind of introduces his work and would highly encourage you to, you know, go to our website to find out more if that's of interest. And thank you to Jennifer for shouting that out. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you. Thank you. Great. Scrolling through. Well, this is awesome. I very much appreciate everyone's interaction throughout the webinar and they're great suggestions and questions and it just makes me more excited to think about what students might think and ask. So like Kathy mentioned, she dropped the slides in the chat. These slides have links, so typically it's the image on the slide that is hot linked. So if you click on that, you will get to the website being referenced and we would love to see you next week as we talk about some other really cool tools. And next week we'll be focused on tools used to explore chronicling America, which are our digitized newspaper. But I'll hang on the call if anybody has any extra questions. But I thank you very much for joining us on this sunny Wednesday afternoon in Washington, D.C.. Have a good one. >> Bob Loomis: Hey, this is Bob Loomis. I posted a question just a moment ago, but I was just curious about the commercial use of some of these maps and images. You know, say you had a property that was historical and you wanted to sell prints with these on it. Other legal restrictions on doing something like that. >> Jacqueline Katz: I am not entirely sure the answer to that question. But I could pass it along and try to find out for you. Unless there is someone left on this call who could better speak to that. >> Eileen Manchester: One thing, I'll share a resource, Jackie, to the Ask a Librarian resource that might be a way to directly get in touch with some of the folks who are positioned to potentially answer that question. >> Jacqueline Katz: Awesome. Thank you, Eileen. >> Bob Loomis: Thank you.