>> From the Library of Congress in Washington, DC. >> Stephanie Marcus: Welcome, this is the final lecture of our 2017 NASA Goddard series and we already have eight planned for next year, which will be our 12th year. We don't have the date set yet, but we've got some exciting things on the horizon. But today I want to welcome you and I'm glad that you didn't go to the Zumba party you came here to expand your minds. I'm Stephanie Marcus from the Science, Technology and Business Division and I guess I already said what I wanted to say. Anyway, I was thinking back to how when I was a little kid we used to drive around in December and see all the holiday light displays. And a lot of this was before NASA was even created, but I never imagined that I'd be standing next to a scientist who can see all of the holiday lights or any surges in lighting across the globe from space, so it's really -- we've come an awful long way. Today our speaker is Miguel Roman and he was born in Puerto Rico, he's from a very large family, and his uncle was an electrical engineer there and that inspired him to do that instead of whatever else he might be able to do on the island. But when he was still in college he got a fellowship to NASA and was assigned to an earth scientist and was absolutely hooked on science and NASA. So, he's ended up there in 2009, before that he went to Cornell and got a master's in systems engineering and then a PhD at Boston University in remote sensing. His team some of them are here today, so that's great to have a support group. And he will be telling us how they go about creating these maps, you've got a map out there that's hot off the press, I guess he picked them up Monday so it's the latest images. And he will tell us how they do that and I think it's not all holiday things because there are a lot of places where the lights have dimmed or gone out due to poverty, war and hurricanes recently. So, please help me welcome Miguel Roman to the Library. Thank you. >> Dr. Miguel Roman: The work that we do at NASA as defined in the National Space Act Agreement is to explore the earth and understand the earth as a system and that provides NASA with a lot of flexibility to understand a lot of different components that gives us a wholistic view of the earth from the space. And the idea here is that we want to use space as a mean to understand all these different components, the land, the ocean, the atmosphere, the ice, and how we as humans are also making an impact and human activity is [inaudible] an art of the earth's system. The challenge with our system science is that we always try to find what happens when a small disturbance in any of these subsystems can affect the entire planet as a whole. Think of it for instance what happens if you know we release too much CO2 in the atmosphere the planet begins to heat, the ocean becomes acidic. You know these are questions that are really difficult to answer with just a few measurements here and there. NASA for the last 45 years or so we've tried to tackle the problem of earth's system understanding by doing the following, which is we launch satellites. We use these engineering marbles, these 5,000-pound school bus-sized satellites and in them we carry these instruments and each of these instruments have a purpose, they have a mission to understand the different components. One of them could measure the earth's radiation budget, the other one could measure aerosols, the other one could measure images which you can then directly relate to some activity patterns taking place at the surface. Our emphasis is to use the unique vantage point of space to understand how the earth is changing. This image is known as the blue marble, today is the 45th anniversary from the time the Apollo 17 astronaut took this picture 14,000 miles away on their way to going to the moon, December 8, 1970 something, sorry. I can't do that math, there you go 70. And so, how do you become an [inaudible] scientist, it's not like you know you grow up in Puerto Rico and you're saying [inaudible], I want to be an [inaudible] scientist, no it's not. Well to answer that question I need to take you on a quick tour over the land where I grew up, which is Puerto Rico. As Steph was saying, I coming from a very, very large family. This is a picture from our grandparents' 50th anniversary back in 1988, the family has grown exponentially since then. Now we have 21 cousins and most of them and a lot of extended family they all live in Puerto Rico. And here we used to go on trips, we don't have Six Flags or Disney in Puerto Rico was have the Arecibo Observatory, we could go out cruising around La Parguera here. This is my here right me and this is my brother Jonathan who's now a doctor, he's an internist in Bayamon and that's my mom. And another thing that you're always being told is to appreciate nature because really about all we have on the island and it's free, it's just like the Library of Congress it's free. And that you also need to respect nature because nature has a way to correct itself and from the maladies of man. This is La Parguera and you can see the docks here, this is where my mom is standing right there. And this is La Parguera after Maria just 60 days ago. And I'm going to be talking about Maria later in my talk, but I just wanted to give you a sense of what drove me to announce that which is that you know when you witness change and it impacts your communities that's quite a telling story. This is Puerto Rican astronaut Joe Acaba who's currently already in the International Space Station and took this image of Puerto Rico, although it's a little bright here you can start seeing a lot of the defoliation particularly around flooded areas, all the rivers, all those areas in brown. Another thing that we are really well-known in Puerto Rico is our hot blood, our music, the fact that we see ourselves as a community not in terms of material aspects, but we see ourselves as part of a larger culture that contributes a lot to the world in many different ways. And that includes things like music, our food, the way we celebrate Christmas. We celebrate Christmas like the longest Christmas in duration. Folks here finish up their holidays on January 1st I was like what, but where's the Three Kings festival and the Octavitas, and the San Sebastian festival that we go through up to January 20, the lights remain on until January 20. And what I try to impress upon you is that all these things really matter in terms of understanding how humanity interacts with the environment around us because every time we do this we're consuming energy. And so, that kind of lead to my trying to really tackle what are the biggest challenges that we have at NASA in the scope of understanding humanity's role in the earth's system and that started with, I'm very data oriented and you'll see that very clearly in my slides. But the idea of tackling the massive amount of information, this may sound familiar and volumes of information that we got and try to make sense of it that's the challenge that we are going through today. And so, every time there's an opportunity for us to talk and say look, at least here's a snapshot of what we've learned I think that's important. And so, I went to take you back 45 years ago of what we have done. This is an image of Las Vegas in 1972 when the first land imaging satellite was launched by NASA. And for 45 years we've been collecting images every 16 days over the entire world and its land system. I want you to notice the variation in water in Lake Mead because as a city becomes more intense and more urbanized you need more water, you need more resources, you are replacing the natural ecosystem with urban buildup. And you can definitely see the effects that humanity has had by just looking at these long-term measurements from space. And that's one of the values of earth system science from the vantage view of space is just that you collect data for very long periods of time that is as valuable as having an ice score and understanding past warming because it gives you a really good picture of what's going on. Humanity's footprint in the earth's system can also be seen in the atmosphere. This is an image composite of the concentration of nitrogen dioxide that's taken from the ozone mapping instrument, an instrument that is well-known for helping us track the reduction of ozone depletion in the South Pole. We've managed through the mantra protocol to reduce the ozone, meaning that humans can actually alter the earth for the benefit of future generations. This is a different type of gas, this is an ozone, this is nitrogen dioxide is a short-lived gas which means that it quickly combines with other molecules like water to form acid rain, to form the kind of pollutants that impact air quality and result in large cases of childhood asthma. EPA has a full monitoring program and on [inaudible] and all different types of molecules. And what you'll see here is that the concentration really trails the weekly pattern that humans take in terms of routines within the city. You can see that by Sunday when everybody's at church and they're at Wegman's you know having brunch with their kids because you don't want to have breakfast and you just go to Wegman's, sorry. You see that the concentration goes down and now if you did om a weekly basis and on a recurring basis you begin to see patterns in the data that can give you some information about the extent of contamination, but also how that contamination has directly led to an actual pattern of energy use. As you'll see, this is the introduction to what we call the black marble and the posters that you'll find at the front these are the first ever, this is the first release of those posters and [inaudible] one of them here. And you might have seen these posters already, we've been generating them on an annual basis for almost 20 years now. The importance -- what I'm going to do now is I'm going to quickly go through how we actually extract and map of annual nightlights. So, you get a sense of not just the massive amount of data, but have a context of what you're seeing here, what does it means that I see a bright pixel here, is that my house, is that a city. Well let's go through that quickly. This is the city of example in Barcelona and as you can see here the entire area is bright. And if you can catch at least one little [inaudible] pixel, then really in terms of size what we're talking about is a 700-square meter area, so it's roughly a three block by three block area, every pixel that you see is about that size. That doesn't mean that we can't detect a small light emission within that area, in fact we've conducted experiments in Puerto Rico and we've used flashlights like these and we go all the way to a very dark spot here, this is the [inaudible] farmland site in Cabo Rojo and we brighten up this [inaudible] wit 12,000 lumens of light and we can see it from space. So, it means that you have this what we call in geography the support, but inside that support there is a target and we can detect it, just the same way we can detect fires from space. It doesn't mean that I know the location of a fire I know that the fire is inside that 1-kilometer area. The holy grail remote-sensing, the study of satellite images from space is to be able to detect the location of that lamp and the intensity of that energy output, that's really the technical hurdle. And it's quite a hurdle because the data that we get directly from the satellite is not a pretty picture, you just don't turn on a camera and you get lights directly there are a lot of things happening in that image. This is an actual scan from the visible imaging radiometer suite VIIRS which has this nighttime instrument known as the day-night band. And the image is 3,000 kilometers along the scan direction and this image is a granule of roughly 5 minutes. And this is of course an image of India and you can see the border between India and Pakistan right here. And roughly about 2.2% of the earth's landmass is classified as urban. That means is that we have using land sat remember the image of Las Vegas, if you count the number of buildings and infrastructure about roughly only 2% of the total landmass, all deserts, you know trees is urban. But this is not urbanization this is energy and it's showing you settlements outside of urban areas just so you know not everybody lives inside a building in this planet, some people live in rural settlements, some people live in internally displaced settlements. And the value of the black marble as it allows you to really measure human presence not directly related to infrastructure, but related to humanity. So, if you take an image like this, which is one single tile of one orbit and you combine 5,000 plus orbits you collect enough data to create the black marble on an annual basis and that's roughly 42 terabytes. If you were doing this back in the 70's you'd have to have the entire holdings in the Library of Congress times four just to make this map, that's how much data we're talking about. And the challenge doesn't stop there, the NASA program wants to use these measurements on a daily basis and at very fine resolution, that's the challenge. So how do we go about doing that? Well we need to contend with all the issues surrounding the collection of images at night and that's a fact that there are many, many, many different other sources of light emissions that also impact our ability to estimate lights coming from cities. And if you're an atmospheric scientist or you want to study the [inaudible] this is really, really awesome because now this is a new source so that you can detect the aurora, you can measure concentration of particles like nightglow. But if you're a scientist just studying human settlements all this is noise. And so, I'm going to go through a few of these. The biggest source of contamination in nighttime data is the moon. You can see here that the moon can reflect from the earth's surface and the surface is very variable like in this case desert is very stable, so it stays very stable. You can constrain the amount of light coming from the moon versus light coming from cities very easily. But as soon as you go to another place like here, this is, you know, this is vegetation around the [inaudible] of Africa that is changing. So, there are many dynamics, there's a confluence of issues associated with estimating nightlights from space being that we have multiple emission sources, we have the moon and we have other sources as I'll show you. We have snow, snow is very bright and if you go, like if you look at cities like Toronto or Montreal and Quebec it looks as bigger as New York City, but it's not really, the extent is not real it's just a physical property known as snow multiple scattering. And by the way, I'm putting all these books here describing the principles behind how we map all these different characteristics from space. And it's very important for us to characterize snow because 25% of human settlements exhibit some kind of snowfall throughout the year. And so, if you really want to get a clean map on a daily basis you've got to measure the snow. You also have to measure this thing known as the atmosphere which is in the middle between you and the city. And especially if the atmosphere becomes disturbed as a result of natural variations like fires. So, these are fires taking place in Siberia as measured from the mode sensor on [inaudible] and you can see them in here red dots. And then here fires at night, it's almost like we have an x-ray vision. And we can actually see the burn scar of the fires. And of course, fires are in places where people live, so you have to also separate fires between cities and other areas. Here's another emission source, airglow and Aurora. Let's see if this one works. The last issue I want to talk about is vegetation. If you study cities you have to study vegetation not only because lights have to penetrate vegetation in order to be detected, but also vegetation is important. It helps mediate ecosystem services and function and unless you're like you known hanging out with [inaudible] on the First Moon of Endor most human settlements are in the ground. And so, we have to develop models that describe how light passes through a forest canopy. In other words, it's important to study urban infrastructure, but you also have to study forest urban structure. All right, so you do all these things and the takeaway being you have to combine all these measurements, it's not enough just to take nighttime images you need to understand what's going on during daytime so that you can characterize the vegetation, [inaudible] of activity, etcetera. And you can do things like this, you see the raw image, this is Paris at night and this is a French countryside, you can detect where the clouds are, where the aerosol is, where the snow is. This is the alps, this is [inaudible], this is how many reflections we are to expect. And these areas in green here are areas where we're seeing foliage and there's [inaudible] below the foliage. And what happens is basically if you don't correct for this the entire French countryside disappears during the summer. And I know part of that is because French people take longer vacations than Americans, but it's also because there's vegetation structures that you need to account for. All right, so here's the final image and so there you go. From a daytime image raw to a daytime black marble image. So, the [inaudible] you see in the front are annual, this is daytime. Now I can show you all the lights from space because now we can, we break through that issue. And so, here's an image of the DC area and now we have these daily images we can start slicing them by season. And what you see here is a seasonal change in nighttime light, so that means that we're comparing the amount of lighting that we see during the holiday period relative to the rest of the year. Anywhere you see green you're seeing an increasing lighting of roughly 20 to 30%. Notice that the entire area around congress is red because they're out of session, you know hopefully they pass their tax plan before Christmas, they'll also be able to go back [inaudible]. But notice that pretty much all of Fairfax County or Arlington County, all Howard County in green. And everywhere you see green there you see increase from the lights from space. And so, and I hope that I've impressed upon you and I know it became a little you known technical at the front that I showed you that lamp in Puerto Rico, but I hope that you believe me that if we can detect a lamp like that that we can detect Christmas lights. But the question is what does it mean. Here's Baltimore area you'll notice that unlike DC which has a much more commercial and federal workforce that disappears during a holiday you know we have a lot more green inside the densely populated residential areas. There's also an issue of space, if in the suburbs people have larger areas to provision lights, whereas in the more densely popular areas the amount of light that you can put is just so much because there's not enough space. And so, the reason why this is important it's because of the topic of energy. These measurements are allowing us to map cities not just as a function of their size, their density, but as a function of energy behaviors. Behaviors that are driven by a status, behaviors that are driven by the values of a culture, we can see culture from space. And in the case of the United States we can see Christmas lights everywhere, meaning that whether you're rich or poor, religious or not everybody celebrates the holidays. And what we know is that the process is short-term and it's shifted, meaning that people leave, people leave their offices and they go and stay in their homes with their families. So, there's an energy increase, but it's also shifts in location. And when we did research across other cultures we found that the energy signature is very different from that at Christmas. Like if we go here to this is the Middle East, this is near Mecca and I'm going to concentrate on this rock from here, you can see here. And again, we can measure small pixels on a daily basis so you can get images like these. So, this is raw data monthly and daily products and they're all following a similar trend, but notice the reoccurring pattern of the holiday. And of course, the holiday that we're seeing here is not Christmas but it's the Hajj. This is Mount Arafat and in Mount Arafat Muslims come together roughly about, up to 10 million pilgrims come and pray in Mount Arafat and they stay here in these camps, this is known as the city of air-conditioned tents, this is the city of Mina. And every one of these tents has an air-conditioned unit that is not your grandpa's way of doing you know the Hajj, this is the new way of doing the Hajjaj. Hag. . And we also the same effect during Ramadan, but remember the change in energy use is different, people are not moving during these periods, they are staying where they are and they're moving and they're shifting all their energy use at night. And that's a different sociocultural construct because what we've learned is that there's a portion of the energy that humans use that is related to individual behavior and decision-making. What kind of car do you drive, how big your house is, you know what you define as comfort, is it a 2000 square foot house or is it 4,000, but there's also a portion of the energy that we use that is related to the energy required to live within a certain cultural context. When and how much people use energy is dictated by the society in which we live and the routines of that society. And this is really important in the context of global energy policy because there's a lot of savings that we can gain not just by looking at individual incentives like how much tax I'm going to put on carbon or you know how much I'm going to tax for an SUV, but looking at community wide energy use. All right, so this is another study where we conducted, where we looked at the clustering of different voting districts in Egypt during Ramadan. And as you can see here, this is before Ramadan, during Ramadan it peaks during the [inaudible], the end of Ramadan and again goes down. The difference between these three groupings is that these are rich people, these are moderate you know income people, and then these are poor districts. So even within the same religion energy is being used differently because some people have more access to energy and services, this is an issue of inequality. This is also an issue of religious backing because folks that are rich also tend to be less pious, you know they don't follow the full teachings of Islam. But what is common across all of them is that everybody celebrates, everybody must and is obligated to celebrate during the [inaudible]., So, this is showing us that we're really looking at cultural boundaries even within the same culture. So that pretty well goes into the holiday light feature and the last, thig was two years ago. The last two years we've been exploring other methods in which we can use these measurements to also study humanity in new ways, especially in the context of the United Nations agenda of 2030 for sustainable development goals. And I'm going to go through three different examples where we are using these measurements to assess some of these sustainable development goals, as we know them SDGs. So, this is goal seven, which is to ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all, which is bring electricity to Africa, that's what it means. And what it means is also that by bringing electricity we're also helping address some of the issues that we have in terms of air quality, in terms of energy access for children who can't study at night because they don't have access to electricity, but especially on how we examine routines for shifting energies to a more sustainable fashion. Because the way cooking is done in Africa really often times relies on really dirty sources of fuel like wood and carbon and dung and you know byproducts from farmland and of course that causes [inaudible] quality issues. And so, the point of the goals is to be able to tackle and trace progress along a number of indicators and in this case looking at night lights to address how that is being done. And so, here's the other issue with energy is also we're trying to figure out how to electrify an entire continent and we haven't yet to decide what's the proper mix between a centralized electrical grid where power is coming in from a large turbine and into small sectors. But in the case of Africa powering that last mile is really hard and you really have to be off the grid and use distributed systems. And so, here's an example of how we can do, this is the city of Korhogo in Ivory Coast and you can see that on a daily basis we know the exact timing of where the electrification took place. And we compare these with records from the World Bank and the energy ministries and we managed to find objectively whether the programs that are electrifying these communities are working. If you're spending $400 million a year on electrification most of it hopefully will go to address the needs of these communities, some of them will be wasted. And it's going to be in the interest of everybody to ensure that we can effectively assess progress. The same goes with what happens when you're not looking at sustainability, but also looking at resilience. Building a power system that lasts through extreme weather events and that's the case of Puerto Rico where we've had, we've released maps that also show us the impacts immediately following Maria. So, these are maps that we released and we've been working with FEMA, the Army National Guard and the Coast Guard, we show the aftermath of Maria and you'll see the slider coming in now and this was immediately three days after. And because we have these long-term measurements we can't, we don't stop just at three days after we can keep looking further and further into time 13 days after, 17 days after. And because we're looking at lighting we're looking at a different metric compared to what is being reported by the government, which is total power amount that's coming in from the transmission lines, which does not give you any information about who actually has electricity right now. And so, what we've been able to do is to study outdoor lighting versus the percent number of houses with electricity which again, it's only the count of total amount of megawatt hours that are being produced, whether they are making it back to the endpoint we don't know. And what we argue is that the residual between these tell you those folks who have diesel powered generated because they're off the grid and so you can start looking at energy access in a much more broader wholistic way, not just looking at one system, but looking at the entire system as a whole. The other thing that we also can trace is inequality, especially in the context of the modernization of the energy sector globally. Even after let's say like we decide to spend $1 trillion in solar panels tomorrow we're still going to have issues because we still have a path dependence of communities which for ages, for generations have only done this, mined coal and you don't have to go to China you can just go two hours from here and you know what I'm talking about. And the issue there is that what happens when there's a policy enacted to lay off 1.2 million Chinese workers in the district of Shenmu, well this is what happens. It looks like a disaster, it looks just like Puerto Rico. And there wasn't a disaster, the disaster really is an economic trend of the urbanization associated with a sector that has been wiped out from the map. And humanity has gone through these upswings many, many different times. We didn't you know evolve from the Stone Age because we ran out of rocks we evolved because -- I know, it's because we evolved from coal to more modernized means. So, we have to see this as a positive but also, we need to see the energy policy in a community context because there's people who are being impacted as a result of these changes in modernization. And finally, the other thing I want to talk about is what happens you get 1.2 million coalminers showing up in all your cities looking for jobs, that's what's going to happen, massive migration of workers. And there is one place where that happens and then suddenly you get [inaudible], which in disaster reduction we call, you know, you want to prevent regional instability because that is going to affect the central cities that drive the economy of the country. And if there's one place where that has already happened it's Syria. The issue of Syria has a lot, I mean it's a very complicated story, but the main issue that we see is that when the energy sector when bust in 2008 and all the fields, all the winter wheat fields that were dependent on water and pumps started to crash, you started seeing all these farmers coming into the cities and that just created the right recipe for ISIS to take over. And so, here's another, we have video that we did with our colleagues at the BBC. [ Music ] [ Foreign Language ] I'll show you a snapshot of this one district in Aleppo and this is how it looks. And I've shown this to economists and it's like you're like monitoring the EKG of a city, that's really what you're doing you're monitoring, I mean the buildings are still there and destroyed. But if the people aren't there the next question is where are they going and when are they coming back. And I can tell you where some of them are going, they're going around different countries and they're setting up shops in all these internally displaced settlements. This is the largest settlement in Jordan, the Zaatari Refugee Camp and as you can see right in 2012, you know this town of 20,000 people needed to accommodate 200,000 refugees. And these are really tough camps, there's no electricity and it's just tents, thousands of them. And we can see that in the data because all these swings are related to weather patterns where there's flooding, constant flooding taking place and the relief workers have a hard time bringing in more people because they have to you know clean up and bring back. The United Arab Emirates contributed a new camp just 40 kilometers away it's called the Emirati camp and you can see these are in containers, but they can only accommodate up to 5,000 people. This is how it looks from Google Earth. And of course, people are coming back, this is the town of Jarabulus which was taken over by El Shabab and the free Syrian army was backed by the Turkish government to take over in 2016. And this is what happens when 20,000 people come back, so you can see this is the Euphrates, so it's a pretty -- it's right in the corner where [inaudible], an area where ISIS cannot really stay for a long time. All right, so this is where we are with the black marble right now, we have a massive amount of data and it's giving us really rich information about the human condition. And it's helping us define our communities not just as places that you put on a map, but as a process. And it's allowing us to study the confluence of the many different challenges that humanity faces. When you look at climate change it's not just about climate it's about urbanization, urban development, it's about energy. And to be able to ensure that every community has a chance to improve their cities in one way or another, no city in this country is sustainable, is resilient, is equitable and safe. They may be three out of four, they may be three, Vancouver is very pretty, but it's still not sustainable because a lot of the materials that they bring they bring from China, so they need to account for materials and everything like that. So, what's NASA's role? Well we don't save lives, if I wanted to do that I would be joining the army [inaudible] in Puerto Rico now. Our job is to provide everyone with the data and the tools that they need in order to tackle these problems, in order to push the technology in a way that we can really turn this into societal benefit for everyone. And that's it, that's my talk, thank you so much. [ Applause ] >> Stephanie Marcus: Thank you, we can have our questions now and if you would repeat the question so everybody can hear it. >> Dr. Miguel Roman: Yes. [ Inaudible Comment ] Yeah, go ahead [inaudible]. >> All right, so now that you have the data created or you're creating this data who do you see as being the major consumers of this data? >> Dr. Miguel Roman: There are three consumers that we're targeting and we're already collaborating with. One of them are economists and demographers who are trying to study, who are trying to come up with economics statistics in areas where there's absolutely no data. Think, I mean we have so much data on like labor rates and everything in the US that adding lights it doesn't add more value, it doesn't improve your statistics. But when you go into a place like Ivory Coast, you know, having this information really adds value in terms of understanding trends, understanding demographic changes, and doing it in a way that's new not like doing like a census map every 10 years, but monitoring humanity in real time using social media and using a combination of datasets. The second area is disaster response, FEMA already is obsessed with this data. And they see it as a new changing game technology nothing that they are using operationally yet, but they want to get this in a more mature way so that they can get measurements from anywhere in the United States, anywhere in the world within three hours, so that's a separate community. And the third community of course is the energy community. We want to be able to trust and verify any efforts to restore power let's say in Puerto Rico and to be able to say wall there's only three, you know, 75% of people should have power, so it should [inaudible], so there's half actually. And to be able to provide an objective means to track progress is also very powerful. So those are the three main ones. >> My question was if you could please speak to your team how big it is and the different kind of areas of expertise for example on your team? >> Dr. Miguel Roman: All right, so let me introduce you to my team, [inaudible] can you, that's our team, it's him and me. So, I'm the guy that does all the advertising and he's the mastermind behind the black marble he does all the coding. And there's Jessica [inaudible] who's our coordinator for disaster. So, we also engage with all different parts of members of the headquarters program across different missions and we're hopefully recruiting a new programmer, that's it that's our team. We have to do the science, the data crunching, and we need to tell you a story of why it matters. And we're lean and mean at NASA because it's very competitive. All right, any other questions? >> Will this data ever get compared with you know the other searches for setting intelligent life? What you see in terms of lights here ever be analyzed in a way that might be used? >> Dr. Miguel Roman: So, to analyze let's say there's a -- let's ponder if there's going to be like a UFO and it's just going around at night, can we detect that? Probably not because if it's moving too fast, we actually had an inactivation [inaudible] to see, to answer the question, can you capture MH370, the Malaysian airliner that was lost and was found in [inaudible] and we were like honing over the entire Indian Ocean trying to find the smallest area and we found a tiny little spot it was like this must be it. But then our colleagues have now confirmed that it was the condensation of the trail of a meteor, I was like oh okay well at least we can see a meteor that's fun. We can also see other satellites going through because we're up at 833 kilometers, so once in a while there's a satellite going behind us, on top of us and we're seeing a satellite and it's like get out of the way I'm measuring the earth. So, we can see things moving, well if that's alien life I don't know. But yeah, we -- it was, this sensor was not designed to measure holiday lights from space, it's just that American engineering is that good that we managed to get that much sensitivity. But the program didn't design this to do this you know that's how NASA works it's like whoops, oh yeah you can measure [inaudible] okay cool. But it's really, this is a [inaudible] instrument that was designed to measure extreme weather events in Alaska because we have geosynchronous satellites and Alaska's right in the corner and they don't have really good maps, so we came up with this night vision map so that we can look at you know sea ice and all these other aspects. And by accident NASA is also having fun with the data and doing all this science, but that's how it works. [ Inaudible Comment ] So, if you see a lightning strike we basically say we couldn't see anything that day because a lightning strike would saturate that image to the point that it cannot be corrected. However, if it's aerosol we can can use radiated transfer techniques, we can study, looked at book of aerosols and study how much light interacts with aerosols and we can really pin down the uncertainty and the error there. If it's clouds probably we're going to say we didn't detect anything that day. And so, what we do is we go back to the clearest best data possible and we report as this is not today, but this is what we got yesterday. If that works for you know for you that's fine. But if you're detecting [inaudible] you want to have a clear shot, but that's really hard over the Caribbean where there's so many clouds. So, you have to really build your confidence and that's the uniqueness of having a polar orbiting sensor where you're visiting Puerto Rico every night and you can really build a large record over time to really ramp down the uncertainties. So, depending on the phenomenon sometimes we give up and sometimes we say actually we can, let's use these models to then describe what is actually being seen that's only human driven. [ Inaudible Comment ] Yes. [ Inaudible Comment ] Yes, roughly 40 to 60% of light will actually pass through aerosols depending on the sphericity and the size distribution of that aerosol. It could be dust from the Sahara, it could be fire and smoke and because we have daytime measurements that really accurately measure those particles we make some assumptions of what happens between the day and night, about the photochemistry because everything is changing at night when the sun is out. And [inaudible] and I have built models to really constrain the errors there. It's a big problem and we're really starting to really explore aerosol retrievals at night, so yeah that's for like the next generation. >> Does the Department of Defense have any interest in looking at say North Korea [inaudible]? >> Dr. Miguel Roman: The Department of Defense likely has an even much broader and more refined measurement than these where they can even get an even finer resolution directly. I think the Air Force and Weather Agency also has a lot of interest because this phenomenon where you have to secure an accurate forecast when troops are going through oceans and everything. So yeah there -- and in fact the first-generation nighttime sensor was from the DOD, so this is a DOD heritage sensor. And I think you had one more. >> In terms of energy consumption, will there come a time when the increasing use of LEDs or other much more energy efficient sources of light impact on how you have to deal with this data and you know in the near future is that like [inaudible]? >> Dr. Miguel Roman: So, there's two issues with LEDs and one of them is that the eyes of the sensor that measures the earth at night they can't see blue and LEDs have a lot of blue on them. You may not see it, but they combine a lot of blue [inaudible] because then you'll saturate. And so, if you look at the wavelength in the [inaudible] spectrum blue is high at 480 nanometers, this sensor's shortest wavelength is 500 which is green, meaning that we can't detect LEDs. But LEDs also have a lot of information in the green, in the red, but most -- there's a huge [inaudible] in the blue that we cannot detect. So, meaning that from year-to-year if someone switches lights using this sensor we cannot detect an LED change. What we can detect is improved methods for abatement of light pollution. So, if you use a full cutoff light instead of putting like contaminating the night sky which you know messes up all the astronomy and messes up like bird habitats, then we can detect that change because now you're concentrating the light to the surface and so you're going to see a downward trend. But unless you give me $200 million and I put another sensor in the international space station, which we could do we can't detect the LEDs, it's a really small signal. [ Inaudible Comment ] In fact, yes in fact, if you use the only and the records from the early 1990's we're already seeing which is good news that an overall negative trend in short-lived gases across the United States, especially in California a lot of smog has finally started to ramp down, but it's also an issue of mountain metrology and all these other issues associated with it. And so yeah, we can detect long-term trends and as we add more instruments that measure ozone, that measure plumes we can also start characterizing aerosols for very long periods of time. The value that nighttime images provide in that context is that we can measure optical properties at night, which no other sensor can do. And oftentimes you just rely on the thermal data to detect fires and clouds, but finally we can also detect optical properties and that means that we can build a more complete record because oftentimes you get clouds and then suddenly you need to look at the interaction between clouds and aerosols and that becomes difficult. And so, and this is very early work that's started at NASA [inaudible]. And usually you need like a 30, 40-year record to really start seeing a trend and this is just five years, so I'll make that clear. But you can start seeing a lot of typologies, you start seeing cities grow and everything. All right. >> Stephanie Marcus: Thank you and thank you all for coming. >> This has been a presentation of the Library of Congress, visit us at LOC.gov.