>> David Plylar: Good evening, everybody. So nice to see so many of you here to kind of really celebrate the music of Clara Schumann. We are so happy to be having this series of three events. We had a film last night that featured Sting and his wife, Trudie tr reading letters between Robert and Clara to each other interspersed with some performances. That was a very nice evening. Tonight, we have a performance featuring only Clara Schumann's music and representing pretty much every type of music that she wrote with a couple of exceptions that I'll explain why we're not doing that. For instance, the piano concerto is not represented here today because we don't have an orchestra here. And, we'll be talking mostly about -- tonight in this pre-concert talk -- mostly about the music that we're going to be hearing tonight but also a few other pieces just to give you a little bit of context about the scope of Clara's work. Tomorrow morning, my colleague, Kate Miller of the Music Division will be doing a declassified presentation, which is a term we use for these kind of more informal but informative events that will be in this room where we'll have a lot of the library's Clara Schumann materials out on display. And she'll speak about what we have and then be able to show you those things. So, I won't be going too much into the details of what we actually have at the library, because she'll be doing that tomorrow. So, I hope you're able to come to that as well if you're interested. So, I thought we'd start with -- ultimately, we're going to be focusing on the -- primarily the piano music of Clara Schumann, because that's primarily what she wrote. She did write a number of wonderful [inaudible], several of which we're going to get to hear tonight and we will get to those as well today. But it makes sense that most of her music was for piano because she was one of the great pianists of the 19th century, as many of you I'm sure know. She had something like a 60-year performance career and had a huge impact across Europe on programming for recitals, instruction, all kinds of things. Editing -- she contributed in lots of different ways. But up until about 1839, a lot of that, those details of when she -- I think she -- that's when she went to Paris alone. A lot of those details were managed by her father, Friedrich Wieck. Her father was a pedagogue, and kind of a very strict authoritarian kind of figure in her life but also one whose opinion she greatly respected and worked with to try to please and in some ways, you know, helped to forge her into the virtuoso that she was. It's complicated, of course, because the details of her relationship with Robert Schumann are very much tied up with this relationship with Friedrich Wieck because Friedrich Wieck in the end did not like Robert Schumann and so there was a very prolonged and acrimonious time before they could actually get together. When Robert and Clara first met it was around 1830. She was 11. They -- don't worry, things didn't start right then. But it took a little bit of time for that to come about. But I'm not going to focus on that as much as well, either, just because that biographical component is extremely complicated and interesting but kind of beyond the scope of what we're doing here. However, that being said, you can't really talk about Clara Schumann's music without talking about Robert's as well. I don't mean in the sense of wanting to dive into analyses of their music, but rather to look at the types of relationships that they built into their music. Some of it was very personal, things that they didn't expect necessarily others to know. Things that would be references that would be immediately obvious to them and not so much to us. Back then, of course, they didn't have, you know, the benefit of being able to go online and just listen to all these little clips and make these connections that we have right now, so there would be no expectation that a listener would be able to make some certain types of obscure references. So, I mean, this is a bit speculative in terms of how much they wanted this to be for public consumption, but you can kind of imagine that a lot of these were kind of private types of intersections between them. I do want to say that some of the things I'm going to be talking about are quotation and some of them are going to be just more kind of general references. What I'm not going to be putting forward is the idea that Robert wrote her music or in any way had a greater role than might be appropriate for his role as somebody whose opinion she respected. There are a couple of cases where it appears that he did have a greater role. Like, for instance, in the piano concerto and a few other things. But mostly in terms of orchestration in that case. But there are one criticism that happened contemporaneously in the 19th century, especially with the trio that you're going to hear tonight was that there's no way that a woman could have written this. And so, this is something that we push back against very strongly now, thankfully. And so that's why I want to make clear that any reference to them making to Robert's role in her music is very much a referential one as opposed to a interference type of role. And there's also many instances where it's not clear whose idea is what and who is actually quoting whom. So that's kind of one of the fun things about getting to know some of this music. So, let's start with some of the early music of Clara Schumann. When she's coming up in the 1830s, it's in the world of the Parisian virtuoso where you have people like [inaudible], Thalberg, Hertz, all these other people who were extremely flashy pianists. I personally have nothing against their music. I think it's interesting and should be looked at again now, but at the time it was seen as a complete opposite in -- I mean, it's still seen as a complete opposite thing from, like, say a Beethoven sonata or a Bach prelude and fugue. This is not the kind of thing that you would be seriously studying. But it was exactly the kind of thing that you would be performing to bring in the crowds. And so, it makes perfect sense that some of her earliest music would fit into this mold of the type of music that was being done at the time. One of the interesting things is that from this very early stage, you already have this interesting relationship between Robert and Clara because both of them were writing their Opus Twos at the same time while they were living in the same house. Because Robert was a boarder with Friedrich Wieck. And so, people might know the Robert Schumann piece a bit better than this "Caprices in the Form of a Waltz" that we have here, Clara. Robert's Opus Two was the "Pappilons" and just as an example, I'd like you just to hear the very opening of it. And I think you'll see what I mean, that there was something shared in the air. So, here's the Clara Schumann. [ Music Playing ] Okay. And keep in mind this is the work of a 12, 13-year-old. And so, this is from Robert Schumann's "Papillons." This is the -- after the introduction, this is the first number. >> How old was he at this time? [ Music Playing ] >> David Plylar: About 22. So what I've done is I've highlighted here in red the kinds of things that you're just seeing there that are those upward scales that are very similar and very clear to the ear. I'm not saying that there's any greater relationship between these things. But it's kind of one of those interesting confluences that I think is not coincidental that was happening there. So, I said this is kind of a, "Sharing Flowers" with the butterflies and whatnot. So that's why. I've got some hilarious ones tonight. You guys are going to. But then we go from this -- so her first, her Opus One is a set of four polonaises that are, you know, written by an 11-year-old who is, you know, getting started with this. And they're actually, you know, quite passable pieces for a young composer. I think she felt that they were maybe published prematurely, but this was also at the urging of her father. There's a strange -- at this early stage, there's this strange push for her to be composing as a pianist and also improvising and things like that to get -- because that's what one did as a virtuoso pianist. But that, of course, was pushed back upon as she got older because of her being a woman and then starting a family and all those types of things. It was -- those pressures kind of started to constrict and disallow some of the opportunities that she would have I think like to have had and like to have continued having. But what we notice is within the space of two or three years, there's this quite a big -- sorry. There's quite a big jump that happens in terms of the -- I think -- in terms of just the quality and the thoughtfulness of the writing that she's doing. She's still very young, teenager. You know, some of these are written when she's between, you know, 13 to 16 years old. But she's suddenly got this command. And I think that this comes through in a lot of her music through her performance practice. There's something about -- if you're just a composer, it takes a lot of practice to write. You have to write, write, write, write, write. And then eventually maybe you'll get something that's okay. But if you're a performer and somebody who's actively playing lots of different types of music, there's often this sense of -- or, in cases where you have a very great musical mind like in Clara's case, it -- almost like an osmotic process thing that happens where she's able to just jump in and create more swiftly than I think somebody who's not a performer at that level. That's speculative, but that's just, you know, a sense that I have from this. So, one of the pieces that you'll hear tonight. There's a set of four pieces, character pieces. And we're going to hear -- there's a early version that was, it was -- the version we're going to hear was called "Impromptu: Le Sabbat." Like, the sabbath. Which is sabbath. And it was eventually republished in 1838 as a hexentanz, so witches dance. And so, we're going to hear that one tonight. And it's one of -- there are a bunch of people who are very into this set of works by Clara, including Mendelssohn and Spohr, so it's kind of a food group of people to have in your corner in terms of appreciating what you're doing as a teenager. So we'll hear that, but then there's this other set called the "Soirees Musicales," which is a set of six pieces unrelated except for one big relationship that comes through that becomes kind of a musical entre of sorts and a greater -- introduces a greater relationship between her and Robert in terms of their sharing of musical ideas across what it is that they're doing. So, this set, like I said, it's six pieces. What we're going to hear tonight are three of them. The "Toccatina," which is, like, a little toccata at the beginning followed by a notturno which is very much a musical nocturne in the style of Chopin, who became a friend of Clara and Robert. Depending on how much time we have, I may -- well, I think I'll still show you an example of what this sounds like. But one of the things that you'll start to notice is that she -- when I play the, an example here, there are certain things that she does that just show a great sense of what can happen if you play with the registers and little tiny techniques that are not so hard to play but make a difference sonic wise and they just sound like much more sophisticated, even in the context of a toccata. So, I'd like to play just to give you an example a little bit of the hexantanz followed by a little bit of the "Toccatina." [ Music Playing ] With the hexantanz, we know that that was already on programs of hers by 1834. So, even though it wasn't published until later. So, it's an early work. [ Music Playing ] So, these little things that I boxed there are just these little ideas that pop out and just make for a not just showier, but also just sonically more vivid type of impression that I think happens in the "Toccatina." It's a great piece. These are all great pieces that you're going to hear tonight. They could easily be repertoired pieces if people would just play them. So, we're very pleased that we have Anne-Marie McDermott playing these tonight. So interestingly, some relationships start to come in between Clara's pieces and between Clara and Robert. And, so, the first relationship that I'm going to point out but not necessarily be able to show is that that top example that you see here where there's kind of a descending scale followed by an octave leap from F to F. It's in that blue box. This F sharp to F sharp -- that is mirrored in the notturno which is the second piece. So, there's this theme that's introduced in kind of a more calm section of the "Toccatina" that then comes into play in the notturno. I point this out because that theme is then used by Robert Schumann in the "Novelletten," Opus 21 the 8th number of that set. And here it is. He labels it. In this version, it was a [inaudible], so it was, voice from afar would be a good way to put that. And you can see that I put it in blue above the notturno setting. That's Clara's notturno. And you can see that he's very clearly, I mean, hopefully, it's clear -- that he's -- even to the point of using the turn at the bottom before the octave leap presenting the same basic material. So, after he includes this in that piano piece, he actually continues to -- he doesn't just quote it. He continues to develop it in different ways, and you can see how he does this as just one example where he keeps going with that turn and uses it as a -- to further develop that idea in that piece. I'm just going to give you a little sense of these relationships now. But before I do that -- and I'll try to remind you of what I'm talking about in a second. Before I do that, I just want to point out that this is not just your standard nocturne piece. So, a lot of people are aware that I, like, John Field was kind of a forerunner of the nocturne genre. And, of course, Chopin is the best-known exponent of that type of thing. But, of course, within that there's a whole range of types of music that are there. Some of it quite dramatic, some of it lyrical, sometimes just a melody with accompaniments as what most people think of. But the idea spawned so many copies during the 19th century and beyond. People still write nocturnes that -- there's a sense of, well, let's just say that there's plenty of them that are forgettable. You know, it's easy to write a bad nocturne. This is not in that category. It's very much a -- I find it to be on par with some of the great nocturnes of the 19th century for several reasons, but one of the reasons it comes through is the same thing that I think I was referring to earlier in terms of how her work as a performer carries through into her composition. She would do certain things that create textural effects that are not just effects but are actually things that are moving and sonically interesting. So, one of those is just something as simple as using upper octave grace notes as a way to kind of inflect a melody. And that's what I have in that upper left red box. Then there's this gorgeous expansive type of ornamentation that's in the middle box that you'll hear. I got to hear the rehearsal earlier. You're in for a real treat. And then there's things that are maybe not as obvious on the page but, like, the bottom box where you have imbedded sort of alto register, tenor register, melodic ideas within the context of a accompaniment that's already pre-existing. So, these things, you know, they may -- obvious, right? No, but these things sound -- the combination of a variety of these types of things in sequence makes for something that's always interesting, always kind of keeping you aware that something special is happening. One last thing about this notturno is that there's other things that, again, are not a typical thing for a composer to do but for a pianist, even for a pianist composer, this is kind of unusual. You have these tied grace notes that you see in the red box there with the articulation coming after the fact of the middle voice. It's quite a lovely and interesting effect and one that you don't find that often. So, there's -- these types of little details, I won't go into a zillion of them that I think help to make these pieces special. So, let me just give you a little bit of an example of this notturno and also the novelette relationship. Here's the beginning of the notturno. [ Music Playing ] This is the pieces that you can't really pause anywhere good. Here's Robert Schumann's quotation about the "Voice from Afar." [ Music Playing ] So, you can see with that quotation that the interesting parts of what he's doing are there in Clara's piece. And so, he's taking that and he's doing his own thing with it, but it's very much a reference to her music that is meant for her. This is the -- getting near the courting phase here where we're trying to show, "Hey, I'm aware of what you're doing compositionally, you know, know what I'm saying?" You know, that's the kind of thing that they would do back in those days. And, so, this is, you know, I think it's an interesting type of thing when Robert takes that stuff or, like, is when Clara takes that stuff or the other's music, they transform it in a way that makes it their own. So, it's not just like, a, you know, if you -- sometimes you might listen to a piece it's like a variations on a work by Mozart or something like that and you come away thinking, "Wow. That Mozart was great." You know, and so you don't want to have that sort of reaction to the type of quotation. So, where the quotation itself is the thing that you wish that the piece had been. So, this is a case where they really kind of incorporate it into something new and interesting. The last piece from this set that they're going to do -- I'm realizing I need to move it here -- is the second mazurka from Opus Six. You might notice something familiar in those opening lines. And, instead of showing it to you, I'll just have you listen at home and also tonight you'll hear the mazurka. But the -- Robert, again, he actually labeled this the "motto" is from Clara Wieck. And it's "Davidsbundlertanze Opus Six." He used that verbatim that opening of this mazurka. So, there's another case where Clara's inspiring Robert. And there's a more significant one that I'm going to get to in a little bit as well. But this sort of thing, this is the kind of thing that they're, you know, how they're getting to know each other musically. I won't say much about the piano concerto now, just because, again, we're not representing it here tonight. But I will say that it's the one larger work that she completed and had published. There are other -- so there's a single work, single movement piano and orchestra work I think that was completed and recorded. And there's some other small things, but pretty much this is the orchestral offering that we have. Clara Schumann, she performed it and it was well received. But it's also an early work. And as I mentioned, there was some element of involvement from Robert with that piece. So, this has come to light. I bring up the opus eight variations because I have really, actually, and interesting piece. This is basically an operatic paraphrase in this Parisian style that I was mentioning earlier. I won't play an example of it just due to time, but it's worth listening to. It's about a 15, 16-minute piece and it's very much in the style of the thing that Robert Schumann would hate and didn't like very much at all. But it's the genre that, you know, made the careers of a lot of these pianists. And so, it's interesting to see her engaging in it and doing it so successfully. It's a shame that she didn't do more because I think she was really talented with it. But that's another interesting side to what she was doing. She starts to shy away from this sort of a thing. Her opus nine is a souvenir of Vienna that's kind of a little bit in the same vein. But she starts to move away from this as Robert's influence becomes greater. And by that I don't mean, again, musical influence but rather a kind of encouragement to write more serious pieces. We have a very interesting pairing of pieces that come up today which are the second scherzo. She wrote two. The first one was quite popular in its day and she played it a lot. The second one, they don't know where the manuscript is. I think it was composed sometime between 1841 and 1845. It matters because -- at least to me -- because there's a relationship here between this work and one of the pieces that we're going to hear tonight, "Er ist Gekommen," one of the songs. And so, this -- the song cycle -- well, I'll get to that in a minute. But it's a little bit hard to see, but there's -- the clear relationship to me is between the things that are in red and the things that are in blue. So, what you'll hear on the first half is this, is you'll hear the scherzo happening first and it's kind of an instrumental scherzo that won't mean anything special yet because it's not clear what its relationship is. But when you hear the song, you might hear this sort of compacted, contracted version of it. In a different key, but still using similar materials. You can see that ones using -- it's going triple to duple, so it's not exactly the same. But you'll hear the melodies and how they're related. I might give you an example of that. [ Music Playing ] So that's the piano scherzo. And again, Chopin had not published all of his scherzo yet. He had already started doing them, but, so it's interesting to think of them in light of the Chopin scherzi also. [ Music Playing ] So, this -- I think you'll hear those relationships and that it's interesting that she changed the way that she dealt with the material as one would imagine she would. But it makes it unclear which idea came first and what order she might have done it. It might have been a concurrent type of thing. The other complicating factor is that there's this other relationship between the center -- there's a quote -- what I think is a quotation in the center of the scherzo that's related to several different things. And let me try to explain this better. A brief diversion to "An Die Ferne Geliebte," Beethoven's song cycle. And a note of caution as well. But there's -- the sixth song for the set is, it's often considered that Robert Schumann quoted this at the end of the first movement of his opus 17 with "Fantasie" as a reference to his distant beloved, Clara. The reason I get a little bit of caution is that there's no contemporaneous -- according to Larry Todd, there's no contemporaneous assessment of this until after the turn of the 20th century. So, it's not -- it may well be the case. And, in fact, there's enough evidence that Schumann did this multiple times. That, it's -- probably is correct, but just a word of caution. I've highlighted in blue the things that are really. So, the Beethoven song cycle has that line up there. And then the adagio moment at the end of the fantasie, unforgettable. Everybody loves it. But when it gets to the scherzo, there's a relationship that I hear here between that center part of the scherzo and his, and a new version of the "An Die Ferne Geliebte" quote. So it's a different setting of it and there, I think people have mentioned that there is this component of, in the second symphony in the fourth movement, a Beethovenian type of theme that comes in that has this relationship to Robert's quotation of "An Die Ferne Geliebte." So, it starts to become, you know -- if you make enough copies of something, it starts -- the difference from the original becomes, you know, amplified, right? So, this is sort of what's happening here. But there's this moment that I hear in this scherzo that is a version of that symphony version, at least to my ear. So, I'm just going to play you an example of that so you can hear what I hear, and you can make your own conclusions about it. Here's the Beethoven first, just so you get that. [ Music Playing ] Here's where it is in the fantasie, so you can hear that quote. [ Music Playing ] Now, here's the spot in the scherzo. And just bear with me, see if it sounds similar. [ Music Playing ] And then that's it. That's the only appearance of that in the scherzo. So that's the only reference to it. And here's the symphony. [ Music Playing ] And that's incorporated throughout the symphony. And that's, you know, I might -- because it might be a quote of a quote, it's hard to say he wrote it at such and such time. But the date of that, the symphony itself, comes a bit later in 1845-6. So, there's this interesting kind of sequence of relationships there. I encourage you to go listen to her preludes and fugues. So, she actually wrote a number of them that were also without opus number. But the opus 16 dated from 1845 at a time when she and Robert joined in together to do some counterpoint studies. I love that they did these, like, activities together or just, you know, they're just, I just love that. So, they -- and she produced these really wonderful preludes and fugues. And we're through time, were not going to have time to listen to them now, but worth checking out. And just, also, you know, not that one needs to demonstrate one's chops in this sense, but they demonstrate that. Also, a piece that we're not going to really get into in detail, just due to time, is the trio that you'll hear tonight. The final movement of the trio in particular shows a degree of contrapuntal mastery that, you know, impressed Mendelssohn and others. One of the key works of the evening and I think of her output is the variations on a theme by Robert Schumann, the opus 20 work. This was based on the first albumblatter from the bunte blatter, which is not the first of the set, but it's the first of the albumblatter from that set. Opus 99 collection of kind of colorful leaves of works. So, it's a beautiful theme. You'll enjoy it. And then what you'll see is that basically Clara takes a kind of a classical approach to dealing with the theme but does it in her own way. And that I mean by that is that by the classical approach is that there's this sort of written-in rhythmic acceleration that occurs over the course of the variation. So, you see -- I, like, a triplet variation. But you still hear the theme very clearly here in variation one. Variation two, you start to have a little bit of rhythmic differentiation in that theme. But it's still very much there, but she starts to do some more interesting virtuosic things. I should mention that this piece comes in 1853 when she was composing the opus 21 romances just about concurrently the opus 22 romances for violin and piano that we're also going to hear. We'll also hear opus 21 and then also the opus 23 songs, of which we'll hear two and of which the library happens to have one holograph manuscript of that my colleague Kate will be able to show you tomorrow. And I think it's on display tonight as well. So, you can check that out there. But back to the variations. She starts to do these really just wonderful transformations of turns of phrase that -- again, you keep hearing the theme. It's very much intact. But it's dealt with in a way that you're -- it's a mesmerizing type of peace. The third variation we get to the major variation there. And one of the things that is interesting about what Clara does is that she's introducing these ideas, including what you might see in the second line there with these sort of oscillating ideas that are going back and forth. They're in the main theme, but she starts to vary the way that she varies it in her coda. So, she asks you as a listener to remember what she's been doing because that itself is meaningful if that makes sense. We get further acceleration in the fourth variation. We get a kind of a bravura variation with the fifth one with what I think are some interesting octave kind of interspersed octaves that are similar to something like one of the Chopin nocturns, opus 48 number one, the C minor, where Chopin will have a theme going and then introduce these other ideas in the midst of it. It's kind of an effective pianistic sort of thing to do, but really well-done in the variation set. The sixth variation introduces a sort of cannon. We have it -- so it starts with that C sharp and then it comes in with the F sharp but then it switches back to a unison cannon in the central section. And this is where that da da da da, like, this thing going back and forth becomes a lot clearer in the coda -- clearly meaning [inaudible] coda. Then we get to, again, greater acceleration, more flourish, even greater examples of stretching out these central ideas. And then when we get to the coda, there's something really interesting that I didn't know about until I read about this. This is a quote that I did not hear, but now I know it. Basically, Clara decides to take a look back at this piece that she wrote in 1831 to three, sometime in that time, when she wrote a romance. And here's this theme that you see there at the top. Just look at that top line. She -- this theme is important for her relationship to Robert in several ways. One of them is that Robert wrote his opus five as a set of impromptus on a theme by Clara Wieck, and this was that theme that was referenced there. So, Robert wrote this very large set of variations focused on this one theme. Then when you get to the variation set at the very end, you still have Robert's theme happening. But hers is so cleverly and just perfectly interspersed that it's there mixed in. I kind of, I made a different engraving of it underneath so you can see it a little bit clearer, even though it's smaller. So, it maybe defeats the purpose. But you can see that she's woven it in in a way that's going to be, this is going to be extremely meaningful to her and him. I don't know that, you know, somebody playing this set when it was published. I think it was, it might have been published posthumously. Or 1856 after Robert's -- I can't remember. But anyway, they, it might not have been so obvious to them but it was made clear to Brahms, who also decided to include this in his own set of variations on the same theme that he did in honor of the Schumann family that he had just gotten to know just before, unfortunately, the tragic end of Robert Schumann's life where he tried to commit suicide and ended up spending two and a half years in a sanitorium. In any case, it's sort of a just a mesmerizing and transformative work and it's kind of just shows what she was up to and where she was going and unfortunately, after the opus 23, she didn't really compose much more. There were a couple of things here and there, but she didn't really continue composing after Robert's death. Lots of different reasons why that might be, but unfortunately not. So, you're going to really enjoy this piece, I believe, if you don't know it. We won't really have time to go over the three romances. They will open the concert tonight. But it's a set of three works that share a similar sort of arch to the opus 22 romances for violin and piano in that there's a, almost like a bard strumming a harp or something while accompanying this music at least in my -- there's, some of the - you know, this writing, it's a little bit awkward for the piano in that these giant leaps and whatnot. So, it makes me feel like it's meant to have a sort of oracular component to it. She does a lot of things that are, you know, your typical composer tricks, but done in a clever way where the inner themes are related to the primary theme and that comes up. And then she also has a few tricky rhythms, like, 12 against five and whatnot that come into play. The second romance is an interesting one. It's a bit of a mystery in some ways. It's a much more minimalist sort of piece. And so, it's a kind of a -- I think of it as something of a palate cleanser. The third one is a much more agitated agitato work that, again, you'll enjoy. I think it kind of creates this, even though it's not, you know, a sonata or something like that it feels like a natural grouping of these works. I'll say just a word about the songs and the violin pieces that we're going to be hearing as well. There's a selection of six songs that we're going to hear, and they sound amazing and I got to hear them again earlier, so I already know what's in store for you. The, one of the interesting ones is the set -- that's, we think of as the opus 12 of [inaudible], which is a group of three songs that were actually published as part of -- it was actually labelled "Opus 37/12," published by Roberts as a gift given to Clara on her birthday after they had composed these as a joint work of "Palms" by Friedrich Ruckert on the joys of married love, basically. And so, they -- she contributed three to the dozen songs. In my opinion, they're the strongest ones and they're quite something. She was no fan of Franz Liszt, at least she originally was but then had a falling out with him. But Liszt took one of these songs and did a transcription of it. He did also two other transcriptions, including another one that we're going to hear tonight. They're just lovely works. We already looked a little bit at [inaudible] but the other two are just -- I feel like they're gems, too, and they should be performed as well. Then we get to the opus 23 songs set to poetry by Hermann Rollett. And this was an interesting -- a lot of people don't think very highly of him as an author but I think Robert was reading this novel, [inaudible] and mentioned that these were musically interesting pieces and Clara took him up on it and started to write these excellent songs based on this maybe not great poetry. But just like, you know, Brahms would say, you know, it's not, you know, sometimes it's better just to have -- this is not quoting, but it's better to have a subpar poet that you can elevate versus having a, you know, trying to take the best and then making it worse. So, she does this really wonderful work with these and we'll hear two of those songs as well. Again, one of those the Library of Congress has as a holograph manuscript in her hand. Another one that we'll hear is from 1843 that is her setting of "Lorelei," the Heine poem that everybody set in the 19th century. It's unclear why she didn't publish this work. I don't know why. It's got echoes of [inaudible] and other things, so I think that you'll enjoy the piece. And it's really, it's kind of a fascinating little piece, but she didn't publish it, so it was only recently published. Another, the other piece that we'll -- the pieces that will close out the first half were the violin and piano romances. And these are one of two pieces of chamber music that she wrote. So, what's amazing is that these works were dedicated to Joseph Joachim. He was a friend and, you know, a new friend in 1853 and 1854 when Brahms and he were kind of first becoming integrated into the Schumann household. And as Joachim would grow in stature, of course, he became, you know, this great violinist who was looked to by Brahms and others as somebody to talk to about not only the, how his music should go, but what, how the playability of the writing. So, it would be interesting to ask Carrie McDermott, who's performing tonight, what she thinks of it. But there's some extremely effective -- at least from my view sonically, things happening with this writing that -- it makes one wonder -- again, this is -- you think a composer would need some practice with us to write something this good right off the bat. So those are a treat and they're quite substantive works that you'll hear. And then we'll end the program with the trio, which is one of the more performed works of hers and it's a truly substantial piece that I think that you'll enjoy if you don't know it and it's one that was, of course, admired by luminaries of the time and that one dates, that's more from 1846. And the story, one story behind that is that she actually wrote this piece before Robert had attempted to write a piano trio himself. And, so, I imagine that that might have been one motivating factor for just going for it with this thing where there wouldn't be this sort of comparative sort of -- not that there was a competition between them, but , so that there would be something new. Of course, unfortunately, before the thing was published, Robert started writing his first piano trio and then it kind of created this sense of self-doubt. And I think I'm going to end on this note, which is that as so often happened, she -- composers would have this pressure from domestic and societal pressure that would basically prevent them from doing all that they might have done had they been a man or been in different circumstances. And this affected Clara, I think, deeply. And there's letters and notes in her diaries that show this. She had eight children and, in 13 years. She was the primary breadwinner of the house, so she was concertizing constantly when she wasn't confined. And she had circumstances that were -- I don't know how she managed it, because when -- you know, there's certain times when she finally had her piano of her own, but she couldn't practice when it would disturb Robert's composition. Things like that that seem like maybe not such a big deal, but if that's your daily life and you're trying to, you know, practice and make, you know, help your family survive, you start to -- you're not able to do all the things that you might have wanted to do. But what's fascinating is that she did a lot of this amazing compositional work in the thick of all of this. So, you know, by the time we're in 1853 it's really astounding that she was able to accomplish all this on top of everything else that she was doing. After Robert died, like I said, she didn't really continue with composition. But that was partly because her -- she was dealing with, you know, still providing for the family and other subsets of her family. But also dealing with his legacy, which was a voluminous amount of music to edit and to work with Brahms and others to put together for publication. So that became another part of her sort of life work after that. I wish that she had written more music, but I am so pleased that we're able to hear what we have to hear today, and I think that you are going to enjoy it if you don't know it. And I encourage you to listen to the things that aren't represented on this particular program and help to kind of bring this stuff back into play. So, thank you again, for coming and I hope you enjoy the concert.