>> Hi everyone. I'm Colina [phonetic]. I work with the learning and innovation office at The Library Congress. Welcome to today's episode Online Office Hours from The Library of Congress. Today we'll be focusing on the American Archives Public Broadcasting or AAPB. We're really glad that you can join us live or by recording. If this is your first time joining us welcome and it's not welcome back. These Office Hours are meant to be short. An informal session. There's going to be a 20-minute presentation and the sessions are being recorded. You'll have the opportunity to talk to each other and our presenters via the chat. So, I wanted to just [inaudible] with the chat. [inaudible] if you could go to the next slide, please. And for all of you out there if you just tell us your name, where you're joining us from and what and who [inaudible]. Just type that into the chat box so we can see. And as I mentioned today's episode is focused on the American Archives on Public Broadcasting. We're joined by Ryn Marchese who is the engagement and youth manager for AAPB, and she's based at WGBH in Boston. We're also joined by Alan Gevinson who is The Library of Congress budget director for AAPB. You'll also hear a little bit later from the library's teacher in resident Jen Reidel. I just want you to know that if you have any questions at any point or comments please post them in the chat box. We'll also be posting links there as our presenters go through their presentation. And either I or any of my colleagues [inaudible] will answer questions. So, now I'm going to pass things over to our presenters. >> Thanks, Colina [phonetic]. Can everyone hear me? >> Yep. >> Okay, great. Well, welcome everyone to today's exploration of America's public radio and television legacy. As Colina [phonetic] mentioned my name Ryn Marchese. I am the AAPB engagement, news manager. I'm responsible for increasing public awareness and facilitating use of archival content for various audiences including educators like yourselves. And joining me in this presentation is the AAPB project director at The Library of Congress Alan Gevinson and I will pass it to him to do a personal introduction and introduction about AAPB. >> Thanks very much Ryn and welcome every, everyone. We're very happy to talk to you today about our project. We think it's exciting and we hope you'll tell people about it. So, to start, The American Archive of Public Broadcasting is a collaboration between The Library of Congress and WGBH in Boston to coordinate a national effort to digitally preserve significant public radio and public television programs from the past 70 plus years for present and future generations to enjoy before the original material degrades and is lost forever. At Americanarchive.org we provide a centralized web portal for streaming access to more than 50,000 items. In today's presentation, Ryn and I will give you an introduction to some of the great educational content in the collections, tips on how to maximize your search efforts, and examples of the educational value that public media can add to curricula. So, back to you Ryn. >> Okay. Thanks, Alan. So, again like Colina [phonetic] said if you have any questions or comments during the webinar please feel free to put them in the chat box. And if you have used AAPB in the classroom we would love to hear about it. So, let us know in the chat. So, before we go into a little bit more about APPB submission, I'd like to give some context to the materials that The American Archive of Public Broadcasting is preserving. And why it's important. As you can see in this example magnetic media tape is at risk of deterioration. In 2012 The Library of Congress recognized the immense cultural value of public broadcasting as a source for [inaudible] historic record and stated that because of the nation's audio collections and the way that they are stored and the conditions that are not helpful for preserving it, these materials are deteriorating. And the - we have about 15 to 20 years before we aren't able to preserve them anymore. And so, that statement came out in 2012. As you know it's 2020. And 2032 is the prime - would be the prime time of when to be fearful of these materials deteriorating. But because a lot of these materials aren't kept in climate-controlled environments they're deteriorating faster. So, it's a priority for AAPB to work with organizations that have collections like this. And to help guide them through best preservation practices. The AAPB then is a digital-only library meaning preservation copies of digitized materials can be seen online and are preserved at The Library of Congress. So, we are at a race against time to preserve public media. And more generally the cultural and historic record - records on these magnetic tapes. So, jumping back to our mission, the - with the passing of The Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 the Corporation for Public Broadcasting was tasked with creating a public media archive. But it wouldn't be until 2010 that technology would be able to meet the needs of this tremendous resource. And CPB funded an initial inventory project where 120 stations across the US went through their closets and storage units to create a rough inventory of all the tapes held in their possession. This project resulted in 2.5 million records of items held at these stations. And subsequently in 2012 CPB funded a major digitization project where 68,000 items were digitized. CPB need to find a permanent home to preserve the collection and make it available. So, in 2013 The Library of Congress and WGBH were awarded co-stewardship of the initiative. The Library of Congresses Packard Campus for Audio Visual Conservation in Culpepper Virginia served as the preservation arm of the AAPB where the digitized collection is preserved for posterity. And WGBH's role on the initiative is access and outreach. This includes maintaining the website for public access to the collection. And you may be familiar with WGBH located in Boston with their productions of Antiques Roadshow and documentaries by American Experience, Masterpiece Theater programs, Nova and Frontline. Together we develop policies and plans for growing the archive and sustaining it into the future. As Alan mentioned earlier the AAPB has over 112,000 digitized historic programs and original materials from stations and organizations in almost all of the 50 states. And over 53,000 programs are streaming in what we call the online reading room which is our website. >> So, as mentioned, collections in the AAPB have been contributed by over 120 organizations across the nation. These collections offer retrospective programs that add context and historical perspective to the passage of time. And its amaze - it's an amazing audiovisual resource for studying our 20th and 21st Century history. With locally produced content the geographical breadth of the collection can help to uncover ways that national and global issues played out on the local scene. And the long chronological reach of the collection ranges from the 1940s through to 2018. And can help to document change over time. Programs in the collection include single episodes, series, documentaries, news reports, live coverage, and unedited interviews. For example. Black Side Inc. contributed raw interviews form The American Experience. Ah, sorry. Eyes On The Prize documentary. And this collection of interviews includes a mesmerizing interview with Rosa Parks. And because it is unedited, we the public can hear the producer in the background asking questions and directing Mrs. Parks to tell her story with the question in her narrative. So, that it is when - when it is cut for film, she gets the original question in her story. What a great resource for teaching student's media literacy, journalism, or history. And it's all available at your fingertips. Discussions within the collection range topics as far back as the 18th Century with Rocky Mounty PBS' America Past Series which talks about the founding of the United States. And to programming made for, by, and about diverse communities that are not often represented in media including programming in native languages, as well Creole, French, Spanish, and sign language. As for notable coverage of live events, AAPB has the most near complete collection of the Watergate Hearings available for streaming online. In addition to specific events, local, and national programming has been on the frontlines of decades-long crises such as aids, environmental activism, and civil rights. If you are interested in exploring more of these topics and how they then presented on public media, I recommend visiting AAPB's curated exhibits which we'll get to in a second. >> So, as I'm bringing the website now would be a good time to write any questions you have in the chat box. Colina's [phonetic] moderating the chat and we'll get to your questions after the presentation. But in case you forget your questions later and would like to have them recorded that would - it would - this would be a good time to put them there. >> Okay. So, during the demo, I'm going to go through easy access points that we have on the website. Tips for making the most of your search. And how to share AAPB content in curriculum or online. You can visit the AAPB anywhere in the United States by visiting Americanachives.org. And you'll notice on the homepage that we've made it easy for audiences to jump into the collection. Each banner offers a different approach to searching the collection. So, I will go through them individually. The first banner includes the general search bar, a rotating carousel of suggested items, and updates from the American Archive blog which I'd like to suggest subscribing to our newsletter which is in now sign up here. And you can subscribe to our blog because I often [inaudible] content around topics that are popular today such as the new Mrs. America series which is about the Equal Rights Amendment. And it's opponent Phyllis Schlafly. There are multiple interviews and speeches and debates in the archives with Mrs. Schlafly as well as ERA proponents such as Gloria Steinem, Shirley Chisholm, and Betty Friedan. So, these resources are at your fingertips through newsletters and through our blog. So, let's get started with doing an example. When you see the search part, it's helpful to know that the search populates on keywords and dates provided by the contributing organizations. As you saw earlier in the presentation some programs were saved from deterioration with nothing more than a label on the canister. So, to help fill in the gaps the AAPB is creating speech to text transcripts which means they're not 100% perfect. I think there about 90%. So, just keeping that in mind will help you refine your search. So, if I'm looking for Rosa Parks, I put Rosa Parks in quotes. That way the computer searches all of the content we have for Rosa Parks in that specific order. So, I get 180 examples. So, if I were to just search Rosa Parks just for comparison without the quotes. All of the transcripts and descriptions are searched for the words Rosa and Parks and as you can see that means I then get 332 items. So, it's good - it's best if you're looking concise names to use quotes. And that will help narrow down your search. These distinctions at the top that I was pointing help to tell you how you can access this content. Or where this content is available. So, available online is primarily where you will be searching. And this is all the content that we have which has been digitized and put online. All digitized are all of the radio and television programs that have been contributed and digitized. But some of these programs may have third party materials or performances which aren't allowed to be streaming online due to copyright law. So, this just indicates there are more - there's more content with Rosa Parks but is not available online. In all records indicates any record we have related to Rosa Parks. So, as I mentioned, stations give us just records of what's in their inventory and some like Vermont Public Radio may have a program with Rosa Parks, but it's not digitized yet. This is helpful for scholars and educator and researchers who are interested in a one-stop-shop or one place for searching this information because the AAPB is one of a kind in that aspect. And we are also just trying to be that one - a web portal of discoverability. So, if we go back to available online. It's easy to filter your results over here in the left-hand column. You can filter by. >> Television programming [inaudible] contributing organization who I mentioned earlier contributed the raw interviews [inaudible] here. The difference between contributing and producing organizations is exactly that. Laxide [phonetic] may have produced it but technically [inaudible] those interviews to the University of Washington who then became the contributor. So, a distinction that is going to be helpful for you just to have in the back of your mind but will not make or break your search at all. And lastly, dates. You can search by exact date if you know 1969 was a very important year and you'd like to know if anyone - where JFK was talking in 1969. So, you could put a range 19 - January 1st, 1969 to December 31st, 1969. Just a note. Our search in some of the browsers automatically puts in the date for today. So, you'll have to just double-check that to make sure it didn't auto-populate with the date of today. And then put back what you wanted such as January 1st, 1969. >> So, that's just the - a quick rundown of how to best filter your search. But if you do come upon an interview of say this one with Rosa Parks from Eye From The Prize. There're a few key features I want to show on the record page. I mentioned transcripts. So, I'm going to usually it's hidden. But if it is, the transcript here you can do the plus sign which will show you the transcript. And here you can search this [inaudible] such as Civil Rights or bus or Montgomery. And those words will be highlighted in the interview. And you can go to that exact spot in the interview and play it. Speaking of playing, you can buffer 10 seconds back or 10 seconds forward. And if you do find a segment that you do want to share with your class or in an assignment, you just toggle the share button here. And they're a few different options of sharing. If you know exactly in the transcript - or sorry. The video that you want to share you can go to that point. Or if you listening to is and there's a pause before the questions, I can go back 10 seconds and I know that's the beginning. And let's just say that if this interview goes on for seven minutes. Here's that chunk. Let the computer think for a second. >> So, once that red - that is ready I can share at the beginning of the interview if I wanted. At the current time which is at the - wherever you put the play head here. So, it would share right here. Or the specific segment as I just showed you. This link will share this seven-minute interview. And as an example, Alan shared with me an interview that he would like to share later on in the show or the presentation. And this is what it will look like. It says, "This segment is of a longer program. You can click here to see the longer program." But your students would only see 10 minutes or seven minutes of whatever interview you would like to share. So, that's a quick rundown of what's on the record pages. And you - from here you can also say, "Oh I'd love to see more from the series." You can click on Eyes On The Prize and it will bring you back to all the videos from those series so on and so forth. >> So, continuing on with the different banner on the home page and how you can search the collection. I'd like to go into special collections. >> Special collections include notable collections with a search bar for just that specific collection. So, if we go into raw interviews from 1964 which is produced by American Experience. I can search this collection just for specific topics related to civil rights or freedom summer. And it will only search these items. But you have a collection summary, background, featured items as well as additional resources for you to explore. >> Special collections include as I said raw interviews from documentaries, or they can be complete series as In Black America is a series. Or they could be collections that we've put together like LGBT plus collection. Or the newly launched America - Jewish American Heritage Month collection which has over 400 radio and television programs ranging 1945 to 2017. And you. >> And these, these focus on aspects of Jewish life in America which was actually put together by Alan. So, I'll pass the ball to Alan to speak about a few more notable special collections that he'd like to highlight. >> Great. Thanks, Ryn. I'm going to just mention three special collections at this point. The first is the National Educational Television or NET collection. NET was the precursor to PBS. It operated between 1953 and 1972 as a national producing and distribution network. We've currently have nearly 750 programs available for online streaming access in the collection. And we continually add to it. There were a total of between 8,000 and 10,000 programs produced by NET or produced or distributed during that period. In the '50s NET was dedicated primarily to childhood and adult education. But by the early 1960s, it had transitioned to serving adult audiences with documentaries and discussion shows that explored issues of urgency and cultural programming dedicated to the arts, humanities, and the sciences. In 1972 the Journal American Libraries described more than 100 of these programs that were then available for rental. And listed just what they covered. So, topics such as civil rights, black power, the war in Vietnam, child abuse, poverty, planned communities, civil disorders, the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban missile crisis, student activism, the elderly, radicalism on the left, radicalism on the right, the environment, unions, privacy, entrepreneurs, airline safety, truth in packaging, farming, homosexuality, journalism, welfare, the Warren Court, the UN, bias in television newscasting, and the effects of television on political campaigns. So, you see this is really, really a huge an valuable collection. And it includes revealing documentaries in which camera crews gained the trust of their subjects who allowed them to film actions and events spontaneously as they occurred. So, it's hard to under -- emphasize how important that collection is. And I want to move onto another gem that we have the PBS Newshour collection. This includes nearly all programs that were in that series from its beginning in 1975 as the Robert Neal Report to the resent day. And we've got approximately 14,000 programs available on streaming online in that collection. The series originally was half an hour in length, designed to serve as a supplement to the daily network national news programs by providing in-depth coverage on one specific topic each night. In 1983 it became the first national news program to expend to one hour in length. Time magazine called the series TV's best discussion of public affairs. And a Gallop poll found the news that were the most believed American news program. Co-founder Robert MacNeil described the News Hour as a place where the news is allowed to breathe. Where we can comely, intelligently look at what has happened, what it means, and why it is important. So, today the collection provides primary source material of world leaders and common folk expressing their views at length on the most important issues of the day along with reason balanced analysis by experts in their own - in their fields. Last year we received - we received files from Backstory, which started as weekly public radio as a weekly public radio series in 2008. And became a podcast in 2017. Hosted by four prominent US historians, Backstory brings historical perspective to current events. Attempting as they say to reveal the connections and disconnection between past and present. Just last week I came across a segment from a 1916 program. We'll send you the citation for that segment on the history of unemployment that I'd like to suggest you listen to. And the segment, in particular, it's about 10 minutes long focuses on a repatriation and deportation program during the great depression pertaining to Mexican Nationals and Mexican American citizens of the US. It's a policy of which many American's today are unaware. This is a just a great presentation about something that really is on a lot of people's minds right now. The segment includes revealing interviews from an oral history project conducted in the early 1970s with people affected by the 1930s repatriation program in the Los Angeles area. So, back to you Ryn. >> Thanks, Alan. >> That's a lot of wonderful stuff. I am definitely always busy at AAPB going down different rabbit holes. And another banner on the website for how to approach content in our collection would be our curated exhibits. >> The AAPB staff and guest curators select recordings that focus on themes, topics, and events of cultural and historical significance. And in the collections, curators contextualize digitized primary and secondary source materials. Each curated set of selected recordings present a diversity of perspectives concerning the exhibits focus. As a result, AAPB exhibits often illuminate how public broadcasting stations and producers have covered the theme - the exhibit's theme. And a few of our most popular exhibits include the Watergate - the Gavel to Gavel The Watergate scandal on public television. As well as, speaking and protesting in America. And voices from the southern civil rights movement, which was curated by Alan. So, I'll go ahead pass the mic back to Alan to talk about this exhibit and some forthcoming exhibits. >> Thanks. I'm sorry I. >> It's all right. >> I'm back. Okay. So, yeah voices from the southern civil rights movement is an exhibit of radio programs from the 1960s. It's a wonderful exhibit because these are really - were really unheard for 50 years before we put them up in 2015. It's, it's important I think because of the locals that these come from. They're more than 25 different locals throughout the south that the, that the exhibit - that the programs document. And many, many people both national figures and unknown figures you could hear their voices on the movement. I particularly like to hear children involved in the movement and what it meant to them. What it to them to get, to get thrown in jail, and why they were doing this. Why they were doing unsafe things to promote the movement. So, explore that. With regard to the importance of local history and as Ryn has emphasized much of our collection comes through us from local stations all over the country. We've got a lot of news programs a lot of talk programs from local stations. And, and with regard to this exhibit, the civil rights historian Emily Crosby has written about the importance of local accounts, that they can't be overemphasized. Local studies in her words laid a foundation for reshaping movement history for changing our understanding of many things. And the same could be said for the feminist movement. For topics like immigration. The criminal justice system. And the changing political scene. Let me just mention a couple of exhibits that are in the works. And so, keep your eye out on these. We hope next week to launch our newest exhibit it's called televising black politics in the black power era. Black Journal and Soul. So, Black Journal and Soul were two public affairs and cultural series from the late '60s and early '70s that were produced by, for, and about African Americans. This will be the first time that many of these programs have been seen since they were made and broadcast. And we're really, really excited about that. So, look for that. We hope by the end of next week to launch that. Soon after that, we plan to launch the first bilingual exhibit. It's going to be called Latino empowerment through public broadcasting. And was curated by two interns from the Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities Fellowship Program. And we're really, really excited about that also. And lastly, I just wanted to call your attention to an exhibit. A lot of you I'm sure are teachers. We have an exhibit called education reporting on public television. This one focuses on ways that public television covered a variety of national and local education issues from the 1950s to the present. And I invite you to explore that one. Ryn, back to you. >> Thanks, Alan. All right. So, I'll just warp up with a few more entry points into the collection on our homepage and then we'll go back to the presentation and then to your questions. So, as I mentioned we create speech to text transcripts for all of the content in AAPB. And if you have students that would like to help us correct these transcripts, we have Fixit Plus where they can simply click on an interview and listen to the dialog. And then go ahead and edit it as they listen. And this is a great opportunity for students to have an hour or so with historians and authors and famous local and national figures. So, that's an opportunity for them to give back to the archives in an immediate way because these transcripts then go online. >> Additional browse options would be you can click on suggested topics that we have already highlighted here. Or if you're looking for a specific region of content you can click on the state and see which organizations have contributed. And from there you can search all their records. >> And if you have a second, I would highly recommend looking at this every picture tells a story which is a clip reel of what we have in the collection. And it's quite a hoot with Julia Child there. So. >> Now that you all are versatile AAPB search experts. We'll go into a little bit about the educational value. And in addition to helping teach on a variety social science topics, Alan wanted to give a little bit more of a discussion about how this can help teach national topics and how they played out on a local level. You may have just covered that. >> Yeah. Actually, I kind of covered that before. So, just because it's a really - it covers the whole country. >> Yeah. >> So, you know the decline of the rust belt and rise of the sunbelt. You could see how that impacted different areas of the country by doing searches. It's, it's really, really valuable. >> And then incorporating public broadcasting into the classroom you can also help students better understand past events and eras which can demonstrate - can be demonstrated public broadcasting. And I'm going to pass the mic to Jen who is The Library of Congresses teacher in residence who on this last slide would like to elaborate on the use of AAPB in the classroom. >> Thanks, for having me. I just want to add some teacher lens to this phenomenal resource. And for everyone listening live and then will be listening to our recording, I just want you to think about how rich this is. Because this offers some trustworthy resources. And it bypasses what can become the black hole of YouTube when educators start looking for videos to use in their classroom. And for introducing kids to oral histories. So, before I highlight a few things real briefly that have really jumped out to me, I want to remind our participants that The Library of Congress, we have teachers guides that help assist the teachers in guiding students and evaluating in primary sources. And we have a specific teacher's guide helping with the evaluation of oral histories. So, I think we're going to put a link to that in the chat box. So, make sure you take time to check that out. One particular exhibition that stood out to me because I live in the land of civics, and US history and law was the speaking and protesting in America exhibition. And I've had the chance this year while working in the library just to spend a lot of time thinking about civil rights and in particular just getting embedded in Rosa Parks papers and her collection. And so, when I played around on the speaking and protesting in America exhibition, I was really just shocked, and my wheels started spinning about all of the different segments I could introduce students to. And keeping kind of in line with what I think Ryn highlighted earlier, there's a commentary of black southern bus rider which is an interview with Rosa Parks. It's not that long. I think it's roughly about 16 minutes total. And it's worth listening to on a couple levels as an educator to help kids unpack it. The radio host himself indicates some particular perspectives that I think would be really interesting to analyze with students. And then even the words he uses before allowing Rosa to begin speaking about the bus boycott, those reveal a narrative that was being told about her. And I think would be especially rich to use that recording and program with some selected items from The Library of Congress Rosa Parks papers collection. And those together having listened to both the interview as well as getting to see her thoughts on paper I think would really help kids expand their understanding of her. Also, included in the speaking and protesting in America that really jumped out at me was thinking about how I might use - there's a Cesar Chavez and the Delano grape strike recording that I would want to use the students as I give them a broad view of different groups have thought particularly marginalized groups, have thought to use the First Amendment to access their equality and their power. And addition to that what jumped out finally want to highlight is there was another program Radio Free Alcatraz was just considered to be the beginning of the red power movement and that were - those were broadcast for when you had the American Indian Movement take over Alcatraz the former federal prison off the shore in San Francisco. And so, I know for me I'm working really hard to try to have a lot of voices in my historic - in my US history classroom. And discovering these programs is really a goldmine for me because I think it allows students to see a much broader version of history. And also, in the words of those individuals themselves. While I have a captive audience for 30 seconds more, I really want to encourage people to play around with the collections like Ryn and Alan mentioned. They were - their phenomenal resources. I've got - I spent a fair amount of time in The Great Depression collection which I listened to an interview with Mia Angelou and that was just - I could have kept listening to it. I also played around with and explored how I might use the murder of Emmitt Till collection. I think it has a lot of information that would be really helpful to provide context to that time period. It's also the shadows that we're dealing with now. And then a lot of my students identify within the LGBTQ community. And the stonewall uprising collection was new to me. So, I'm excited to introduce students to that next year. Because I've had a hard time finding a primary sources in the voices of those in that community. And I'm really excited to show kids those. As well as the additional resources those collections point the educator to. So, I'm just really excited to use these in my classroom. This like I said this is all new to me. I will sing the praises of this resource. And I hope that you can find some - a lot of resources and value and ways to be creative in using them in your own classroom. So, thank you. >> Thank you, Jen. And thank you, everyone. I'm going to pass the mic back to Colina [phonetic] who will navigate the Q and A from here on out. And if you'd like to visit AAPB there's the website. Our social media handle, our blog. And feel free to subscribe. And there are our emails. Thanks, everyone. >> Thank you so much, Ryn. Thanks, Alan. And thank you, Jen, for all that great information and those resources. And really talking us through how we might use and navigate AAPB. I am also a big, big fan of this archive. Please anyone who has questions, please do share. Now is your chance to really pick the brain these two experts. And I'll get some preliminary questions asked. Obviously, we threw a lot of information at you and we definitely want to hear what, what you think. One question did come up and you touched on it a little bit earlier. It was basically about copyright and rights restriction. So, the question was are any rights restrictions on the material? And if so, are then explicitly listed on the content? >> And I'll field that, that question. Yes, all of the content is currently - it's too available for any other uses then for research, instructional educational uses. And anyone coming to the site has to agree to our terms of use. So, they'll be a pop-up window when you come to the site. Please read through the rules of use. You can't download anything at this point. You could use it for educational purposes, streaming. A lot - a number of the programs we do have a button that says licensing. So, if you wanted to license the content for a particular use, it will give you information. If it doesn't have a button and you want to find out more about who has the rights, I would suggest getting in contact with the station that contributed it to the archive. And you can click on the station and get information about where they are, or their website. We do hope in the future to allow a certain number of programs to be downloaded that donors have given us that right to use it. You know to creative commons rights. We don't have that aspect of the website functional as yet. But we certainly will announce when that will be available. >> Great. Thank you. Another participant wanted to know if the items permanently live on the AAPB website? >> Yes. They do live on our website. You can embed a player so that the player could live on your site and it will direct a user to our own site. But, yes, our agreements with the donors we can't let them live elsewhere. Unless as I said there's some that are. Excuse me. There's some that are creative commons and those we will inform you of what's available. >> We had a couple of comments specifically on that the share [inaudible] Windows tool. And I wondered if that feature is available on all the items that are available in the online reading room, or just a selected few? >> It's available for all of them. It's a great, great segment. A great, great function. So, using it you could actually do a clip of any length you want and get a link for that clip. So, you could then embed that link in a document, and students could then click and get to the particular five minutes, three minutes whatever. Get right to the beginning of it. And so, yes that's on every, every item. >> Wonderful. Well, we have about 15 minutes left so, if anyone has any other questions please do share. Thank you so much Ryn and Alan - and Jen for being with us today. And like I said for talking about this wonderful project with us. And giving us also a sneak peek about what is to come. For those of you [inaudible] wanted to give you a heads up about what's coming up this week for Online Office Hour. So, this Thursday we will be diving into math and primary sources. So, if you're looking for ways to apply a mathematics lens analysis of primary sources please join us. We'll share a number of different resources and examples and different ways about thinking [inaudible] in spite of them. Also, just a reminder that tomorrow we'll be offering a webinar on I shall not be denied women's suffrage exhibition. I can post the link to that website. If [inaudible] in registering for it. This is a free one-hour personal development for all educators. Tomorrow the 20th at 2:00 pm Eastern. I'll hope you'll be able to join us. I don't see any other questions so I will just end it here with thank you to all of who are joining. And thanks again to our presenters. And we'll see you next time. >> Thank you, everyone. >> Thank you. >> It was a pleasure.