>> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: Hi, everybody. Yes, my name is Jon Sweitzer-Lamme. I was the 2018-19 Preservation librarian in residence. I was the first librarian in residence, the first cohort of us, there were five. And, yeah, so one of the really great parts of being the librarian in residence in Preservation was our ability to really be part of all the different parts of Preservation. There's a lot of preservation activity happening at the Library of Congress. And it was really interesting to be able to sort of connect those dots, as we did -- as I did the various projects. So the first thing I'll talk about is, yeah, the Preservation Reformatting, as Adrija's division was once known. And that was a lot of work with Brittle Books, and in various points of the workflow for sending brittle books off to be digitized, and also to be microfilmed as appropriate. So this is just an example of a brittle book. This is an immediately post-World War II Hungarian item. Which, obviously, they did not have the best quality materials, and it was newsprint to begin with. So not a lot of hope for this item in the long term. But, really, being able to digitize this allows us to make this available for the long term. So I was involved in the prep for that, as well as in the receiving end of that. I did a lot of work with General Collections Conservation. So that is the physical repair and reconstruction of the collections' items that need to be available physically. I mean, obviously, we want to make everything available physically if we can. And so there was a lot of -- so a lot of books need to be reconstructed, need to have new covers put on them, need to have their original covers placed back on them. Lots of books come in torn or need to be -- need to be reconstructed in that way. And so I was able to get a lot of interesting experiences working with the general collections. And I was actually able to be trained on about 95 percent of the workflows that the General Collections Conservation Section does. Which was a really, really valuable set of skills. I also worked with Special Collections items. So this is the Archival Collection of Nina Federoff, who is a plant geneticist, who focused a lot on corn. And so a lot of her a lot -- of her Archival Collection consisted of small samples of corn with different genetic characteristics. So, obviously, we need to store that corn in a method that -- in a way that is safe for the corn long term, that will allow the genetic information in that corn to be accessed for the long term. So we constructed these custom boxes. And a previous intern had written out these labels, transcribing into an Excel document the fairly incomprehensible notes of Nina Federoff, which were on very small envelopes. So we saved the envelopes, which are on the bottom level of this box, and put the corn kernels into an archivally safe storage situation, to allow them to be used for the long term. We, also, did three targeted improvement plans. So those were across the parts of the Preservation directorate. I was able to -- so worked with the African -- the African Division, the Asian Division and the Science and Business Library. So the African Division, we worked with their collection of Swahili language pamphlets. A lot of these are translations from other languages, a lot of Soviet and American materials during the Cold War era. These are largely unique pamphlets. And so we did rehousing. We did an assessment of these pamphlets, and a rehousing. And then also a cataloguing, because it's very difficult to use a pamphlet, if you weren't aware that it exists. So making that accessible to researchers, both today and in the future. These items that are pictured are part of the Censored Pamphlets Collection from the Japanese section of the Asian Division. Immediately after World War II, the American military sent 120,000 public items from Japan to the Library of Congress. These are a small collection of them that have not been fully catalogued, even now. They are a collection of pamphlets that were sent through the Japanese censors in the pre-World War II era. And they are largely unique. Some of the censors' decisions were that these materials could not be published. So they have the original censor's markings on them. That's what that big circled 2 is. And so these also needed to be rehoused, and were also treated by both General Collections and Special Collections technicians. So they were preserved for the long term. And they were also made more fully catalogued. And there was a third project with the Science and Business Library, with a set of early 20th century aviation-based magazines and newspapers. And there was not a significant amount of necessity for treatment of these items. But the decision was made all that needed to happen was that the existing microfilm of these pamphlets -- or of these newspapers be connected in the record with the physical item, so that they can be used, so that we could redirect researchers to the microfilm, rather than the fragile originals. And so that is what I spent a lot of time working on. I, also, did a lot of tours, did a lot of -- met a lot of interesting people who were interested in preservation. And, yeah, so on to Zach. >> Zach Maiorana: Thank you, Jon. I'm Zachary Maiorana, Librarian in Residence for the '19 and '20 class. Currently, the Digitization and Audio-Visual Production Coordinator for Ohio State University's Knowlton School, which administers the architecture -- landscape architecture, and the City and Regional Planning departments. I administer the archives in the Digital Library at the Knowlton School. And I'll be sort of talking about some of my projects, as Jon did, and also how those sort of impact my, you know, daily life here at Ohio State, and how this informs what I do in my current position. With that, I'll go through a couple of little sort of process-oriented workflows, some of the work that I did at the LC that involved [inaudible] keeping the lights on broadly, and working on a number of, you know, tasks that familiarized myself with the systems that we use, and the hardware and software that we use for areas like digital forensics, accounting and quality control, cataloging. I worked on imaging, extracting and packaging data from tangible media, including anything from floppy disks, optical media, you know, thumb drives, anything like that. This was really helpful, actually. Currently, at Ohio State, I have a large collection of optical media. And, previously, the person who was in this role prior to me was not an archivist. And they trained a student to have like two disk drives, and drag-and-drop files from the optical media onto the shared network files. And now I sort of have this training from the Library of Congress, and from a basic digital preservation course, that I can identify how to, you know, preserve fixity, and properly kind of like metadata image disks, and package material a little bit more prudently. I also worked on accounting and quality control collating and inspecting materials from what was previously PRD, the Preservation Reformatting Division, [inaudible]. As well as tracking and curating statistics, such as shipment data from our microfilming projects, and also cataloguing digital surrogates after post-processing during the ETL process. Here is an image of Fred, one of the, you know, pieces of equipment that I used, the suite of hardware and software associated with digital forensics. I also worked on a number of sort of larger policy projects, including a Scalable Space and Emergency Management Survey. Shout out to Beatriz Haspo. I saw you in the attendee list. It was great working with you on the project to kind of plan a pilot for a survey -- surveying the stacks. This was an issue where we had Capitol Hill spaces that lacked data-driven space management. There was a lot of siloed work happening from, you know, Conservation and PRD and other areas that were tracking issues in the stacks. But no real central data-driven project. Here, we were able to develop linkages between, you know, emergency incidents, space concerns and condition. One example of that you can see in the right image is a controlled leak. It's not really dangerous. But you can see that the leak is happening quite close to items that are on the floor due to overcrowding. So these issues are really interrelated. The overcrowding in the image on the left, the, you know, corroded sprinkler in the image in the center, all of these problems happen in a co-occurring space. And the kind of divisions who are working on mapping and managing these issues should really be sort of talking to one another. That's kind of where the idea generated for this project. And I worked on another project, where I wrote a white paper on patron-driven selection. This was a really interesting situation, kind of a unique circumstance for an intern. A student, I believe from Howard University, came to us with an interest in having a couple of items selected for digitization there were not in our workflow already. These items were part of a run of serials, called the "Green-Book." We had a number of volumes in our physical collection, as well as digitized. And a number of other institutions, such as NYPL, had digitized surrogates, too, of "Green-Book." And the issue that the intern had was that he wanted to have all of the, you know, items digitized across multiple institutions. We had a number of physical items that had not yet been scanned, and items such as this 1946 one that I have an image of here, is in pretty poor condition, and it's probably the last known copy of this particular volume. It's a really important serial, too. It was sort of a motorists guide for African-American tourists in the Jim Crow South. It ran from the '30s to the '60s. And it sort of guided African-American tourists to locate, you know, accommodation and restaurants that were friendly and often integrated, too. So this was a really interesting project. And, also, the serial, I believe, was made into a movie a couple of years back that won a bunch of awards, pretty prominent. But it wasn't in our workflow to start with. And the intern was able to sort of select that, and guide us to it. That sort of inspired this white paper to kind of philosophically and practically argue for a scan-on-demand model at the Library of Congress, something that is far advanced, and likely would not happen in a number of years. But I had a real interest in this. So I did an environmental scan of similar models at other institutions. University of Michigan's library does it. National institutions, such as the National Archives of Australia, do it. In fact, the National Archives of Australia has done a scan-on-demand model for the past 20 years, and they have a really good system for integrating patron selection into their current selection workflows. So this white paper explored sort of the challenges and benefits of implementing a scan-on-demand at the Library of Congress. And, also, you know, there's a real interest in having taxpayer-funded organizations, like the Library of Congress, be involved in this kind of work, because we do serve, you know, the entire national population, theoretically. As Jake said, we are the de facto national library. We have sort of a mission to, you know, act upon the interests and the selective decisions of the patrons that we serve. So this was really interesting. I was really glad to share with the folks around the preservation network, and also elsewhere in other divisions and directorates at the Library of Congress, and get their feedback. It was a really great project. One final sort of policy project that I'll speak on was a General Collections Conservation project. Actually, Jon worked with me quite closely on this. And we were able to make it a better project. The issue here was that we were really good at locating digital surrogates for monographs. But serials made it much more difficult. This is all sort of to help the kind of prioritization and triage of items, and [inaudible] conservation [inaudible]. [inaudible] is hugely important when you have just a gigantic workflow of books coming in and out. We have to, you know, approach them in a selective way. Here you can see they do not [inaudible] labels on volumes that we're sort of identifying as, you know, these already have digital surrogates. A preservation action has been applied to them. We don't need to further treat them. We can send them back to the shelf with, you know, a tie around them or properly boxed, without any more rigorous treatment. With this, we did a pilot workflow and a cost benefit analysis. The real question was, "Is this project worth the labor?" The results of that showed that it has the potential to lower technician workload by about 33 percent, based on the number of public domain surrogate items that we have in either, you know, the Library of Congress digital locations, or third-party locations, such as HathiTrust and Internet Archive. From there, I developed documentation -- training and reference documentation, and trained technicians on Jon's team. We were able to work together very closely to kind of improve the workflow, see where there are, you know, holes in the documentation, develop a way for technicians to, you know, do this as efficiently as they could, without really running into roadblocks. Also, this is a little bit of showing off, but I had the luxury of being the second Librarian in Residence after, you know, that sort of pilot phase in the first year, and the COVID phase that came after me. So I was able to engage in some really, really great professional development opportunities, including, you know, visiting the NAVCC, National Audio-Visual Conservation Center in Virginia. On the right there, you can see the nitrogen film vaults at the NAVCC. I was able to visit the Copyright Office, Law Library, the National Library Service in Northwest D.C. Many other units of the Library of Congress' sort of Library Services Division -- or Library Services area. And I was able to volunteer at the National Book Festival as well. This was really sort of great to, you know, get an in-depth tour of basically every area of Library Services, understand, you know, the journeys of our materials, and the work of a number of different types of experts. And in addition to that, we also gave tours of each residence division. I was able to give a tour of what was previously PRD, and now, PSD. And my colleagues in the cohort gave tours of Rare Book, Manuscript Hispanic Division. Here you can a Kelmscott Chaucer rare book, a selection of hair from Thomas Jefferson in the Manuscript Division, which I was oddly enamored by. It's an interesting collection item, and brings up interesting sort of preservation issues as well. We gave LiR Reflection Talks at the end of our terms, gave those talks to library leaders, colleagues in our directorate, colleagues in our cohorts' directorates. We had mentors, including my mentor, Grant Harris, who was previously the chief of the European Division, now retired. He's a really, really great mentor. Was able to help me on a lot of sort of personal and professional issues. Actually, also, a previous supervisor of mine in a former internship. That was a really valuable part of it. And, of course, our fearless leader, Adrija, who was a really great mentor and supervisor, advocate for me throughout the process. Really, really grateful to have that opportunity. As you can see, this has sort of all helped me in my current role. And it was a really great experience to do some kind of a residency at some kind of an institution that you would like to work in in the future. It's going to help your career in the future, if you're sort of interested in that kind of an approach. And with that, I'm going to hand it off to Katie, who's going to speak on her experience. Go for it, Katie. >> Katie Daughtry: Thank you, Zach. So my name is Katie Daughtry. And I was the Preservation Directorates Librarian in Residence from July 2020 up until this month. My appointment actually just ended about two weeks ago now. So I completed my Master's in Library and Information Science from the University of Maryland in May 2020. And began my position in July of last year in the midst of the pandemic. So for the first few months, I worked entirely virtually. And, eventually, I was able to come on site for a couple days out of the week. So my experience was a bit different than Zach and Jon. But, nonetheless, it was a really great experience. And one of the opportunities I was still able to take advantage of virtually was training. So the Library Services group offers a variety of training courses online. And I participated in courses from searching in Voyager ILS, MARC records, acquisitions, LibGuides, Confluence, and story maps. And even though some of the topics weren't relevant to my work that I was doing, they were still a really good learning opportunity. So I definitely took advantage of them. And, also, despite much of my time being virtual, I was still able to connect with a lot of the Library employees. I participated in weekly Skype meetings with the Reformatting Project Section. And the Librarian in Residence Program migrated its briefings, which Zach spoke about the tours. So they migrated that to an online environment, where we were able to meet everyone from different divisions, and they could kind of take us on a virtual tour, and tell us about their work. And then also the Librarian in Residence cohort, there was about nine of us in my year. And we organized our own virtual meetings to stay in touch with each other. So it was still really interactive, despite the challenges. And I ended up working on a variety of projects across the whole Preservation Directorate, but virtually. And once I was able to come on site. And I'll speak more in detail about some of my projects. But just to give an overview of what I worked on. I worked on some projects in the Reformatting Project Section, the Preservation Research and Testing Division, Collections Management, and then also the General Collections Conservation Section. Which is where Jon now works. So I was actually able to meet with him, and learn about different conservation treatments. I won't go into too much detail, because I think he gave a good overview of that work. But from him, I was able to learn different things like tip-ins, and mending tears, and hinge tightening, pamphlet binding, things like that. So it was really great. And then also, as part of the Librarian in Residence Program, like Zach, we were all assigned mentors. My mentor was Helena Zinkham, who's the Chief of Prints and Photographs. And we all got the chance to meet with our mentor virtually every two weeks to four weeks, and just talk about different parts of the Library, get any advice that we needed. And as a result of this, I ended up getting to work on a project, creating a story map for Prints and Photographs. So I'll talk about that more later. So for the Reformatting Project Section, I carried out quality review of digital images that were created by a vendor for the Newspaper Digitization Project, and also for Brittle Books. So this was something I could do at home. And then once I came on site, I also carried out maintenance in the Voyager catalog module, updating item and holding records, and adding barcodes, in order to assist with the Brittle Books workflow. And then similar to Jon and Zack, I also got to work with tangible media, and learn how to use the rip stations to create digital images and files of optical discs, and how to use Fred for the floppy disk and unreadable optical disks. I, also, had the chance to work with the Preservation Research and Testing Division while I was in a virtual environment. I carried out historical research and data collation for assessing the physical condition of the National Collection Project. So this is a project that they're analyzing volumes of books from 1840 to 1940 to see what factors affect paper degradation, and how vulnerable volumes can be identified. So I perform batch exports of MARC records from OCLC, and gathered data on individual volumes, such as the original price, the format, the binding, genre, printer and printer location. So Zach spoke about the Space in Emergency Management Survey that he worked on with Beatriz Haspo. And I got to carry on this project after he left. So I continued his work. And, actually, carried out a pilot survey of 100 sections in the Jefferson and Adams buildings. So before programming the survey, we wanted to work out any issues and update the questions, if it's needed. So I created a paper document with all the survey questions. And, actually, went into the stack spaces, and recorded it manually, just to test out any kinks, anything that needed to be updated. For instance, one of the questions asked about overflow trucks. And I realized that most of the trucks are stored at the end of the aisles, and aren't necessarily associated with sections. So we updated the question so that data on overflow trucks would be gathered by aisle, and not by section. And the survey is really meant to be a quick look at the stacks. It's not item-specific. So I also timed each of the four parts of the survey for content, emergency management, condition and space, in order to see where we could cut down on time. And I found certain areas where we could cut down the time, such as only capturing the barcode if a barcode was present, and not also the call number, since we can get that from the ILS. And then I extrapolated the amount of time it would take to survey all of the 95,000 sections that are in the stacks spaces on the Capitol Hill campus, in order to plan out the full scale survey. So this is actually something that the future Library in Residence, that will start in July, will be able to take over once it gets programmed. And then this is the story map that I mentioned at the beginning, that I had the chance to work on for my mentor, Helena Zinkham, in Prints and Photographs. And the story map focuses on the Liljenquist Collection, which is a collection of mostly portrait photographs of Civil War soldiers, and some nurses as well. And for this project, I collated metadata for the digitized photographs, and gathered information on the portraits, if there was information on locations that the people were at. So mostly battles that the soldiers fought and died in. This is an example of -- this is actually Sergeant Thomas Plunkett. He lost both of his arms carrying the flag at the Battle of Fredericksburg. And so then I got to take the photographs that had that information, and map them out all across the U.S. And the user can scroll through the different locations, different battles, and see who was there, the different soldiers that fought there, if they were killed. There's also nurses that worked at the field hospitals, and prisoners that are at the different prison locations. So this project was really fun to work on. And I think it really speaks to the opportunity in the Library of Residence -- Librarian in Residence Program to work on projects that might be outside of your normal scope of work, and learn about different areas of the library. I think, with permanent positions, maybe it's more tunnel vision. There aren't really as many opportunities to work across different areas. So I think this is really one of the strengths of the program. I gained a really broad overview of the Preservation Directorate, and also the Library as a whole. So at this time, we'd like to invite everyone to enter questions, if they haven't already. And Amelia will be monitoring the chat box. >> Amelia Parks: Thank you so much for doing that, all of you. What a really great presentation. And, yes, we are now open for questions from anybody who wants to. So you can enter them into the Q&A box or chat. I'll be looking at them both. Okay, here's a question from Nikki. "Can you all speak on your application and interview process when applying?" Maybe do we want to start with Jon since he went first? >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: Yeah, I'm happy to start. The application process, you know, it is a federal position. So the application process for the I believe it was a June start date started in November. There was a month-long application process. I imagine that it has been somewhat -- the job description has been somewhat clarified. It was a lot of -- a lot of things were just beginning to be figured out when I started. But the application process went through USAJOBS. Which is the typical federal employment portal. And it was classified as a not to exceed temporary employment contract with the Library. >> Zach Maiorana: Basically, the same process as Jon for me. I believe I interviewed in late December, oddly, during the federal shutdown and had that conversation. I believe I was hired probably around February. It went fairly quickly for a federal position actually. And I had a July start date. So I ended up being able to learn about my approval to the program pretty easily -- or pretty quickly. >> Katie Daughtry: Yeah, it was a similar experience. I think my posting closed in December. And then the start date was July. And I might have interviewed in January. And then it took a bit to hear if I had gotten the position. But it was also the start of the pandemic. So that made things rather interesting to find out if they were still going to do the program. Which luckily they did so. >> Amelia Parks: Were you required to do an on-site interview? Probably not an answer from Katie, because pandemic. But what about Zach and Jon? >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: No, I was out of state when I applied. And we did a phone interview. >> Zach Maiorana: Right. I went to grad school at University of Illinois. So I was still in Champaign at the time. And it was just an hour-long interview, pretty standard federal interview process. And we were able to do it over Skype, WebEx maybe. >> Amelia Parks: There's a question from Lynn about the story map that Katie did. "So will the viewership of the story maps be monitored?" And I do think that we tape website analytics, but I don't know specifically for story maps. So I'll let you speak to that. >> Katie Daughtry: Yeah. I know, on the ArcGIS platform, so there's actually the actual story map, and then there is the CSV file posted. And it actually will count the number of views. So we will get that information. And I don't believe it's actually up to the public yet. It's just for Library employees right now, because there's a lengthy review process. But once it's up, yes. >> Amelia Parks: We have another question from Caitlin. She was wondering if you had any advice for small town libraries that would like to [inaudible] Preservation Project? >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: Yeah, can I hop on that one? >> Amelia Parks: Yeah. >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: So I have a lot of experience with small preservation programs with limited funding and, you know, enthusiasm, but, you know, lack of -- but limited resources. The one thing I would suggest is that you look at the Institute of Museum and Library Services. They do have preservation grants that are available. Highly recommend that you utilize the Preservation Ask a Librarian feature. So I probably should have clarified that I'm now back at the Library in the General Collections Conservation Section. And part of what I'm doing in that job is doing a lot of reference work with Amelia. So we are a great resource for figuring out how to preserve your specific items. The Northeast Document Conservation Center also has a preservation pamphlet. I believe it is 1.5. Which is a guide to creating your own preservation policy. Which I highly recommend you do before you start spending money. >> Amelia Parks: Yeah, just to add on to that. Again, use that Ask a Librarian Preservation link, because I think both Jon and I have a ton of resources for small preservation projects at small institutions. So we can help direct you to, you know, preservation service or grant opportunities, that sort of thing. So use that link, and we can get you a very detailed answer. >> Zach Maiorana: And one last -- in addition to the IMLS, there's also an NEH page, National Endowment for the Humanities page on the Grants for Smaller Institutions as well. In case you're interested in that, there's a specific grant for preservation. In addition, you can -- this might be Googleable, but there's the University of Illinois, my previous boss there, we worked on a project called the PSAP, Preservation Self-Assessment Program, I believe. Which is a searchable database, where you can look at sort of tips. And, you know, if you're looking to identify whether you have a mold issue, an active mold issue [inaudible], or you have sort of similar issues like that, you can use that tool, in addition to any DCC Northeast Document Conservation Center. They have a lot of preservation 101 sort of guides and walkthroughs for basic preservation issues. In addition, you can sort of approach -- maybe not for consultant work, but if you have questions, you can approach your local academic campus. They might have preservation people there who are experts on an issue that you might have. And people tend to be pretty active about responding and being interested in your issues. >> Amelia Parks: Thank you. There's another question from Nikki. "What was, or is, one unexpected challenge and one unexpected reward that you experienced during our time here?" Do we want to start with Katie this time? >> Katie Daughtry: Sure. So, I mean, for me, the biggest challenge was just how much everything was virtual. Which when I first applied, I had no idea. And I think like the Library did a really good job of still making us feel really connected. Everybody is really friendly. You could reach out, send an email, people were willing to Skype with me. So it ended up being really great. And then an unexpected reward, I would say I just didn't know how broad my experience was going to be. So Adrija works with the Reformatting Project Section. And I had a lot of background in digitization. So I thought that's where my work would be focused. But then with the pandemic, and also just the program, the idea is to get as much experience as you want. So I just ended up learning a lot of things that I didn't expect to learn. Learning about conservation treatments from Jon, just learning to use the Voyager ILS. My background was more in archives than libraries. And then getting to work on the story map for Prints and Photographs. >> Zach Maiorana: I certainly think that an unexpected challenge that I found in sort of federal work is the bureaucracy, and how slow everything moves. Which is something that I think a lot of people on the attendees list can share that experience. Erin Engle, the Special Assistant for Preservation, said to me that she used to work in a startup area. And she said that when you're a part of a startup, you can get big things done very quickly, but you can't get a laptop for yourself. And when you're part of like a big thing, like the Library of Congress, you can get a laptop very easily, but you can't really enact a new workflow to create sort of a new way of doing things. Things tend to move as slowly as, you know, an institution that size can. Certainly, there are rewards that you -- an unexpected reward that I found was that I had a lot of sort of freedom to, you know, work on things that sort of permanent folks can't really work on quite as easily. I mentioned the white paper that I worked on that sort of argued for a new kind of way to select for digitization. That's something that is sort of a little bit risky to do. And a lot of folks who have been there permanently for 40 years might be, you know, risking reputations, or anything like the sort of risking making a couple of divisions angry. But I'm going to be out in 10 months. So it gives me the benefit of being able to argue for something a little bit bold. And that's a really great benefit of residencies like this. >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: Yeah, I want to echo what Zach said about the benefits. I was sort of more able to -- with some of the projects I was working on that really broke down these divisional barriers, I think it was people were more willing to engage, because they thought, "Oh, he's going to be out. Like if we don't like this, we can just stop when he leaves." Which I think people like to -- to some extent, they continued afterwards. Which was nice. And another real benefit for me was just building the relationships with people across preservation. Even people I didn't work directly with, who I just sort of got introduced to, people complained to me about presumably. You know, whatever -- you know, whatever interaction we had, just these sort of like casual interactions that really have led to, now later down the line, some really, really positive interactions and positive work together. >> Amelia Parks: Thank you. Can you elaborate on the role of the mentor on your internship, and how often did you meet with them? Did they oversee your internship, that kind of thing? >> Zach Maiorana: I can hop in. I had Grant Harris again, the Chief of the European Division, as my mentor. Really, really great knowledge about a huge [inaudible] of like Library of Congress history. His role was really to kind of, you know, bring me into the culture of the Library, and share with me his experience, and kind of share that. I had the real luxury of working with him just prior to his retirement I think last April. And he was able to sort of talk to me about that. He would tell me, you know, stories about like bringing the Russian ambassador, Kislyak, through like the Tsar Nicholas Collections that are on display and say, "You know, we're taking good care of this for your country," or something like that. He would tell like these incredible stories about, you know, work the Preservation was doing, and Preservation -- the [inaudible] Certification Program puts little white dots on every spine of the books that [inaudible] certify. And he would bring sort of a -- he worked a lot with Russian figures. So he would bring like a Russian author, whose work was banned in the Soviet Union, through the stacks, and show him that, you know, "This book of yours that has the white dot on the spine is the best preserved copy in the entire world. It will last for 500 years. We're taking good care of it." And, you know, things like that, that sort of, you know, make me see the issues in reference that are echoed across, you know, the preservation spectrum. I met with him monthly. And he was a really great sort of resource, asking about anything, he referred me to the Toastmasters sort of Club to work on public speaking. And, you know, he was able to give advice sort of broadly on professional issues. It's a good part of the program. >> Katie Daughtry: Yeah. My mentor was Helena Zinkham in Prints and Photographs. So a really different part of the Library. I think the requirement of the program was to meet once a month. But we ended up meeting once every two weeks. And it was over Skype mostly. Once we were both coming on site, I did actually get the chance to get a tour of the Prints and Photographs Reading Room from her. And then one day we met in the Great Hall to look at all the murals and everything. Which was a really fun day. And really fun to see it without all the tourists. So we would talk about -- I mean, also, she was really knowledgeable about the history of the Library, would talk about that, just my experiences with the program, any kind of career advice. And then when I ended up working on a project for her, it became more focused on that -- on the specific project. But Adrija was my supervisor. So we were also having weekly meetings about all of my work. So Adrija was more the one managing my role. And then Helena was more advice and chatting about the Library. >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: And so my year, we didn't have mentorship. That was sort of one of the -- at the end of the program, we sort of had a larger debrief. And one of the things we said was that we would really like to have sort of a more formal mentorship process. And they were very responsive to a lot of our concerns. And it was really great. I'm really happy that they were. >> Amelia Parks: All right. Thank you. We have another question from Amelia Foster. "Can you talk about how much your work intersected with conservators?" She's interested in preservation, but not always sure where to draw the line between conservation -- and just to clarify. A conservator has a lot of training and education, and a science background, that you don't usually get with a library and information science degree. So the difference is somebody with an ILS degree is probably going to focus more on preservation, so collection stabilization, rather than actually conserving an object. I think that that answers the last part of your question, but I will [inaudible] -- >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: So can I hop on that? >> Amelia Parks: Yep. >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: So conservation is part of preservation. Like both in terms of the organization's library, as well as in terms of sort of like in theory in libraries. So I am doing conservation with a library science degree. There are certain -- there are certain parts of conservation that can be done with a library science degree. There are other parts where that is very much not the case. Note people with conservation background -- you're going to need a conservation degree to get your hands on the Gutenberg Bible, for example. But your General Collections Conservation is we are largely doing processes, doing treatments that have been developed by conservators. And by doing sort of the same thing, you know, we're performing conservation in a way that is -- that's sort of within our -- within our understanding, within our scope. But there are certainly -- I think there are places for both LIS and conservation degrees in the Preservation Directorate. >> Amelia Parks: Zach or Katie, did either of you work with conservators during your time? >> Zach Maiorana: I was able to organize a tour of the Conservation Division with my cohort of LIS folks. That was a really rewarding process to be able to meet with them. Elmer Eusman, [inaudible] these conservators who are sort of leaders in the field. I can't really speak on the role of, you know, a conservatorship in the Library of Congress, because I'm not a conservator. They might get mad at me if I do. But, generally, I think your question included like the split between LIS, Library and Science, sort of conservation versus art conservation. In many ways, they're separate, because LIS conservation is involved with book and paper product -- book and paper publications and documents. And our conservation tends to involve separate materials, separate pigments, canvases, et cetera. Again, not a conservator, but there is a split there. >> Katie Daughtry: Yeah. I didn't get to work with any of the conservators. But I also wasn't on site very often. But I did work with Jon on the General Collections. Which he already spoke about so. >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: To be clear, I'm a conservation technician, not a conservator. >> Amelia Parks: Okay, we have one more question from Nikki. "What led or motivated you to apply to be an LIR?" [inaudible] or Katie? >> Zach Maiorana: Go ahead, Katie. >> Katie Daughtry: Okay. So I am actually from this area, had worked internships with other federal institutions. And going to the University of Maryland, some of my professors actually worked at the Library of Congress. Beatriz Haspo, who Zach and I both worked on the survey, teaches the course at UMD. And so I got to go on a tour of the Library before I worked there. So I really was going for more of a federal position. And I was also coming out of school during the pandemic. So there were very few places hiring. But it was somewhere where I would like to work long term. And I wanted to stay in the area. So that's sort of what motivated me to apply. And it was a really, really great experience just to get a look at everything inside the Library. And I would love to come back so. I definitely encourage everyone to apply to it. >> Zach Maiorana: Certainly, yeah, I [inaudible] that. I think it's a great program, and something that I could sort of see myself in automatically from looking at the job description. And, also, during the process, I found that it was really rewarding. Also, to follow up the question as like "what led you to this," I did a previous internship at the Library of Congress as well in the European Division. I know German, so I was able to work on the European Division staff. And I think that a part of this work involves the issue of like, you know, the gig economy, and like short-term positions in librarianship and service sectors. When you're looking for, you know, a permanent position, they often look at your temporary positions to see what you've done in the past. I think I've counted before, and I'm ashamed to say I've done something like 12 short-term positions, maybe more up to 15 perhaps. Fellowships, residencies, internships, graduate assistantships, that's just like, you know, a lot of work goes into developing your resume in terms of training the next generation. Which is a topic of this. Developing your resume that includes a huge broad spectrum of experience in preparation for a permanent position. That's kind of an issue that's viewed as a challenge, and as a negative part of the field. And a lot of work has been done on this in journals. And the fact that, you know, these short-term positions are rewarding, what leads me to be involved with them is the kind of necessary aspect of gaining experience with the next step. An LIS program is only two years. You can learn only so much. And working continuously within the field, understanding, you know, practical concepts is a huge part of gaining a permanent position in the field. And it's hard. >> Jon Sweitzer-Lamme: I would say what led me to applying to this is that basically since my junior year of college, I've been back and forth between getting a conservation degree and getting a library degree. And I have this real passion for both. And I've been working in -- I've worked in preservation departments for smaller institutions. Zach and I both went to the University of Illinois. I think he had the cubicle next to what was mine. Yeah, so it was just really an opportunity to, at the very least I thought, see how preservation works when you have the largest collection in the world that you need to preserve, and sort of get really hands on in that. And then it also just, you know, led to giving me the kind of skills that I needed to come back. Which was a real pleasure. >> Amelia Parks: Okay, those are some really good answers. >> Adrija Henley: [inaudible] I am sorry, if I may add, we're talking about Preservation Librarians in Residence. And we have so many areas where we hire as a library Librarian in Residence. So you can -- based on your skillset, based on your interests, you can apply to different areas, to Acquisitions and Bibliographic Access Directorate, where they catalog, acquire books. You can go to I believe the Law Library already has one now. So it's across the Library. So if your interests are not in preservation per se that much, you can apply to other areas of the Library. So that's all on the website [inaudible]. >> Amelia Parks: Okay, great. And, remember, we have a link to the Librarians in Residence page, LLC webpage, at the beginning of the chat. I believe I put that in, if you are interested in applying. And with that, I do not see any new questions. And it's 12:00. So thank you all for joining us. And we have one more presentation for Preservation Week. That's tomorrow at 11:00. So hope to see you there. Have a great day.