>> Kathleen McGuigan: Hello, everyone. My name is Kathy McGuigan and I, in the Professional Learning Outreach Initiatives Office at the Library of Congress. And I'd like to welcome you to this afternoon's session and thank you for joining us. I know it's been a long day, but we have a great program on innovations with digitized newspapers, newspaper navigator. So Chronicling America, a database of over 16 million digitized historic newspapers, is a product of the national digital newspaper program itself, a partnership of the Library of Congress and the National Endowment for the Humanities. Today, our educator and residents, Jackie Katz, will explore the collections, thousands of digitized historical newspapers using an interactive map and an image search application. These tools allow the Rich Chronicling America database to be searched via time, location and image. The session is going to explore the tools and highlight innovative ways these tools can be used in the classroom. Participants will have time to explore the resources and develop connections between the collection and your own classroom. So we are recording today's session. If you choose to participate, any of your comments or questions will become part of the library's collections. A little bit about Jackie. She is a high school science teacher from Princeton, New Jersey, and she is serving as this year's Library of Congress Albert Einstein Distinguished Education fellow. This is a program that's sponsored by the US Department of Energy and provides an opportunity for accomplished K-12 educators in the STEM fields to serve in the national education arena. For more, I'll put in the URL into the chat box. Jackie has taught biology and chemistry at Princeton High School for the past ten years. She's built a research program at the high school based on her own experience with cell and developmental biology research. So I'm proud to hand things over to Jackie. >> Jacqueline Katz: Well, thank you so much, Kathy, and thank you, everyone, for joining us for this webinar on Innovations with Digitized Newspapers. I'm very excited to share some of the things I've been able to learn while being a teacher in residence at the Library of Congress. But to get us started, I'd love to know a bit more about where everyone is tuning in from. So if you don't mind pasting in the chat, your name, where you're from and what you teach, you're not a teacher. That's okay too. Let's just see kind of who's with us today. Arkansas. Arizona. Colorado. Awesome. Well, we're-- We got lots of good representation from all over the place. I love it. Lots of librarians. Elementary school. Grad students, former educator and ESL. Awesome. Great. So this is just very helpful to kind of know who's in the room. And from what I've worked with, with Chronicling America and these innovative tools, there's a way in for all different groups of learners. So I'm excited to to see what you think of the resources. So to get us started and thinking a little bit about what we're going to be dealing with today, I want to focus in on this map that you just saw on the previous slide and give everyone a second to make a prediction about what these blue dots on this map might represent. And it has a little something to do with what we will be talking about today. How many newspapers per area? Newspapers. Love it. You guys are spot on. Sharp even at 4:00 on a Wednesday. I love it. So we're going to dig into exactly what this is showing us, but we are definitely on to something. And today's webinar is, of course, going to talk a lot about newspapers. So we're going to talk briefly about what is included in Chronicling America, which is the database that Kathy gave us a little brief intro to earlier. And then we're going to focus largely on the innovative tools that exist for searching this collection, as well as how those tools can be used to inspire and answer questions in the classroom. So if you're not familiar with Chronicling America, that's where we're going to start. If you're a big chronicling America fan and you've used it a million times, I'm totally with you. It is like one of my favorite resources at the library, and it tends to be my first stop shop if I'm looking to dive into a new content area. So I'm going to walk you through a little bit of how I use this tool, specifically how I used it to plan for this webinar. So this is the home page, and like Kathy mentioned, it is a repository of digitized newspapers and you might not be able to see this number in the top left corner, but there's about 20 million pages of newspaper on this site, ranging from a 1770 to 1963. And it's keyword searchable, which is awesome. So when I was planning for this webinar, of course, my mind was going lots of different places. And since being at the library, I've been very, very interested in food and the story of food and how I can incorporate that in my biology and chemistry classroom. So naturally, what does one search when you're thinking about food and you're working on a webinar in the morning, you search oatmeal? So I just started with a very basic search. On the search pages bar, I didn't limit anything. I looked in all states for the entire date range available on Chronicling America, and I typed in oatmeal and go figure. Lots of things came up. Oatmeal is talked about a lot, specifically in advertisements. So pretty much all you're seeing on this page are examples of advertisements, many of them for Quaker Oatmeal, which we might be familiar with. And I zoned in on this one in the bottom right corner, mainly because I've also been really interested in agriculture and I'm seeing this nod to agriculture in the top heading. So I had to click on it. So when you click on one of the search results in Chronicling America, you get more information about what you're looking at. So I was able to learn that this particular advertisement had been posted on February 26th, 1911, in the Evening Star, which was a newspaper out of Washington, D.C., and it was published from 1854 to 1972. So there was a lot of editions of The Evening Star, and if I wanted more information, I could click the hyperlink in the heading and read more about, you know, the publishers and, and the area that it was distributed in, and lots of good stuff. For this particular project, I didn't go down too deep of a rabbit hole there, but you definitely could. So as I was reading through this advertisement, I was pretty interested because there's a lot of text on it and there were a lot of interesting claims being made, and we're going to share this advertisement with you to get a closer look at. But for now, just know I was very intrigued and I wanted to know more. I wanted to know if this was a typical type of advertisement that was posted for Oatmeal in the Evening Star. So it's at this point that I toggled over and use the advanced search feature. And I now wanted to search specifically the Evening Star newspaper. So this box of selected newspapers has 3000 plus newspapers in it. So if you're just doing a basic search, you're searching all of those newspapers. But what I wanted to do was look specifically for the Evening Star, and I was interested in seeing advertisements that were published between 1950 and 1963. So I was able to limit the dates, which is something I didn't do in the original search. Right. The original search was like no holds barred, 1770 to 1963. Now, I was getting a little bit more specific. Okay. And we're going to see what this search turned up in about a second. But I do want to go back to that original 1911 ad that really piqued my interest. And I want to give you a little bit of time to explore it. So we're going to drop a PDF in the chat that will help you zoom in or you're welcome to kind of explore the image on your screen. But as you're taking a look at this, I'd like you to answer the question. Would you purchase Quaker Oats? Why or why not? So give it a quick read over. You might be pretty interested by some of the things that are being said. And then when you feel ready, you can just type your answer to this question in the chat. I love that. Who wouldn't want to? The good liver part was the one that really struck me. I was like, What great advertising? Good for the whole family. Love it. The bodybuilder. An energy giving food. Right? Definitely long by current standards. Good observation. There you go. I want the brawn and height I was supposed to have gotten. Right. There are so many great lines in this advertisement to suck you in, right? So this was the first advertisement that really, really grabbed my attention. And this was the one from 1911. Brain worker? Yes. It's very wordy, right? But once you dig into it, you're kind of hooked. Right. And I was so... intrigued to know, like many of you are recognizing like was this wordiness common? Did it last for a long time? Right. Was this a standard for advertisements? If so, like how long was this a standard for advertisements? Because I don't know about you. These are not the ads I see today. So that's why I kind of went to that advanced search feature and looked for ads from the 1950s and the ad that came up for the night or one of the ads that came up was this one. So this is also in your PDF. I'd like for you to take a moment to look at this ad from 1959, again published in The Evening Star. You might definitely be noticing some differences and we'll dig into that, but I'll be curious to know when you look at this advertisement. Does your opinion change? Right. Many people were ready to go out and buy some oatmeal with the last advertisement. Does this, you know, confirm your opinion or does this make you want to change your mind in any way? I do love that quote about 12,000 physicians. And we found that 4/5 of regular oatmeal users. Great. Thank you for dropping. >> Kathleen McGuigan: This is Kathy. I'm just going to interrupt in the-- I just checked the PDF. The full image did not come through, at least on the PDF that I was looking at. So I just put the URL into the page specific to this item. >> Jacqueline Katz: Awesome. Thank you so much, Kathy. Good point about the lack of color. The peaches don't look as appealing as they could. Cool. Awesome. Thanks. I agree. It still makes me a little hungry. It looks pretty good. It seems like they were way ahead of the overnight oats trend because it has like the Mason jar situation going for it. Variety is the spice of life. I love it. Good point. Right? If you don't like peaches, you might not be so inclined to buy this oatmeal. I love it. Great. So, again, this is something I would do with my students, right? I'd take them through the first advertisement and then move on to the second and then perhaps put them side by side and ask them what they notice and what they wonder about these two advertisements. And I have a feeling like we've been talking about through the chat, that some of the things we've been observing might also come up with the students. So I want to give you a second. Now that you're looking at these advertisements side by side, do you have any noticings or wonderings that you'd want to dig into? Right. One is text heavy and one has a huge photo. Why? Ah, this is a good point. Like were these fantastical claims? Did regulations come into play? Oh, interesting point, Annette, that they say they're healthy, but and they look appealing. But there's way less kind of support for that. Oh, good question about the printing technology. Oh. Did the 1911 strategy stop working? People's attention span was shrinking. Yeah. When did people have to cite these claims? As a science teacher that's definitely something that I would dig into with my students. Cool. When did they switch from illustrations to photographs? That's a good question. All the work that goes into kind of taking photos of food is pretty astonishing. Right. Did it have something to do with just the technology? What happened to literacy rates? I love that question. Right. So there are so many different directions you could take this activity based on what you're teaching that particular day. So we have many questions in the chat that would be really interesting and fruitful. And I just came up with some that I thought might pop up amongst my biology students, which are mostly high school freshmen digging into the scientific content. Is it accurate, this idea of fantastical claims and who was sort of regulating that? How has our understanding of nutrition changed? Are the things they were claiming in 1911 anywhere near true? Did we think they were then? What sort of evidence did we have? Did the political or social climate of the time affect the advertisement? Were these advertisements viewed by people across the country? We are looking at what Washington, D.C., Evening Star. Was that a standard for the entirety of the U.S.? And then this was something that came up when I showed the ads to students while prepping for this. They were like, Why is the mascot for Quaker Oats? That mascot. Like, what were they-- What was the company thinking? Which I thought was an interesting question. So the questions you've placed in the chat as well as some of these questions can be answered if we dive into the innovative tools available at the library. So that's what we're going to focus on and the innovative tools we're going to start to look at right now I think are really going to lend themselves to this question of were these advertisements viewed by people across the country? But they could also lend themselves to a lot of the questions you've pasted in the chat. So. If you visit the Chronicling America Home page, you can get, of course, very distracted with the search feature and go down many rabbit holes. But you may miss this link for maps and visualizations on the side panel. And it's these maps and visualizations that can be incredibly useful in answering these innovative questions that you and your students come up with. So if I click on this tab for maps and visualizations, one of the maps I'm going to see is that map we saw at the beginning, which people accurately predicted shows the distribution of newspapers across the country. And each blue dot is a different publication. And I just want to point out that the screen grab I have right now are publications just between January 15th, 1911 and January 15th, 1912. So you can restrict this visualization by date. So I was interested in digging into that first advertisement and trying to see if it was similar across the country. So I looked at all the newspapers published across the country in the year of 1911, and since my first ad was from Washington D.C., I was like, all right, let me think about another big urban area. And I settled in on New York. So I clicked on one of the blue dots in New York, and I found out that in 1911, The New York Tribune was also being published, and I could have kept looking at other publications using the toggle arrows in the right corner of this pop out box. But I settled on starting with the New York Tribune. So I went back to my Chronicling America Home page again, use the advanced Search feature. But instead of the Evening Star, I went for the New York Tribune and I again searched oatmeal and I found our same good old ad telling us about the the benefits for your liver if you eat Quaker oats. I also found an additional ad, equally wordy, slightly different text, but there was definitely some overlap between the two. So... Perhaps I would have my students dig into similarities and differences. Perhaps they could dig into the populations in New York and Washington. How did they compare and how did they contrast? So this was just one way to use an innovative tool to help answer one of my innovative questions. Right. Were these advertisements viewed by people across the country? I could dive deeper into this question with a similar tool. Another visualization. And this particular visualization shows ethnic press coverage across the U.S. between 1609 and 1963. So if my question is, was this viewed by all people, it's not only a geographic thing, but different communities are going to gravitate towards different newspapers, even if they live in the same geographic area. So this second data visualization is a way to dig into this question of all people a little bit more with your students. So when I went down my particular rabbit hole, I was curious to know about publications that were geared towards Latin American art audiences. So I clicked on Latin American in the toggle bar here and limited my bubble map. And basically the size of the bubble represents the number of issues that were published for that particular newspaper. So again, because I was just kind of testing out the waters, I searched this newspaper in Texas to see what sort of oatmeal advertisements existed there, and the newspaper was called La Prensa. So when I went back to my advanced search and looked specifically in this newspaper and searched for oatmeal, I found zero Quaker oatmeal advertisements, which I thought was interesting and could prompt a lot of interesting conversations with my students. I actually saw very little conversation related to oatmeal. So... Basically, the one thing I did find was this oatmeal biscuits recipe that did pop up. But of course I would need to do further digging to see if Quaker really wasn't advertising in these papers. I would definitely need more evidence before I could make a claim. So again, these data and visualizations which are linked to right on the chronicling America Home page are very useful tools to help you answer these innovative questions that students might come up with, and they themselves are innovative ways to view historic collections. Right? This is not some card catalog of historic newspapers, right? This is taking that information and visualizing it in a different way so that you can answer and even ask different questions, which I think is really cool and really powerful. And it will help students see that there is this cross talk between, you know, history and historical documents and computer science and data and how we look at these things. So I think besides giving us a lot of content to discuss in the classroom, it's exposing students to different tools that exist to explore the world, which is super cool. So we have some innovative questions. We've looked at a few innovative tools, and now we're going to look at another innovative tool to help us address a different question. And the next tool that we're going to look at is actually the product of a cool division at the library that you may or may not have heard of before, called LC Labs. And I'm not sure if Eileen has joined the call yet. But she is a member of LC Labs who has helped me to explore a lot of the cool tools that come out of this division. And basically, LC Labs is kind of an incubator, and it's an incubator that tests different tools that can be used to help the public interact with the collections at the Library of Congress. And one way they do this is by harnessing expertise from all over. And one program is the Innovators in Residence program, where very skilled humans in the world of technology and also in the world of history come to the library and dream up cool ways to visualize... the collections. And one product of the Innovators in Residence program is this tool we're going to look at now, which is called Newspaper Navigator, and it was created by the 2022 innovator in residence, Benjamin Charles, Jermaine Lee. And I think he's actually on the call today. So when these technical questions come up that I cannot answer, perhaps he would chime in and tell us some of the backstory here. But Newspaper Navigator is a really cool tool that lets you search the images from the newspapers in Chronicling America. So instead of focusing in on the text, you could focus in on the images. And that could be really, really useful, especially if you're working with younger students. And some of the text in a newspaper article might be challenging for them. So this could be a cool kind of first stop shop to bring in some primary sources that are accessible for younger learners or non readers or whatever population you're dealing with in your classrooms or learning environments. So just to kind of go back to our questions list here of possible questions we might ask with this specific innovative tool, I think it would be really cool to explore this question about why was this particular mascot chosen? Right. And if you're not familiar with the mascot of Quaker Oats, this is what he looks like. He's looked this way for quite some time because this picture was pulled from an early 1900s. Advertisement. And if you have seen any Quaker products recently, you know, he's pretty much stood the test of time. So I was curious to know, like was... Was this advertisement the product of seeing a similar type of image associated with Quaker individuals in the press. This was the question I wanted to know, right? Was this an easy link to images people had been seeing and associating with groups of humans that identify as Quakers? So this is where Newspaper Navigator was like the perfect tool to use. So I went to the search page on Newspaper Navigator, and when you first log in to Newspaper Navigator, again, like Kathy mentioned in the chat, we're going to share these slides with you. And Newspaper Navigator is linked. It is also on the left hand bar of the Chronicling America page, if you want to go directly from there. And when you open up the site, you can watch a very helpful video that explains to you a bit about how this was created and how it can be used. But I'm going to walk you through my process of using it for this particular question. So what I did was I went to the search bar and again, without limiting anything, I searched in all locations from 1900 to 1963, which is the data set that this particular tool pulls from. I searched Quakers. And a whole bunch of images populate in my screen. And these images were basically identified because the captions associated with them mentioned Quakers. So some of these images might be in the wheelhouse of what I'm looking for. But if the word Quaker was used in any other context, rather than just describing the group of individuals who prescribe to this particular religion or group, it might not be what I'm looking for. So what I started to do was scan the images and get more information about them, because if you click on the image, you can select to get more information and I can find out what date this image was published, the paper it was in. And I can also get the caption from the image. Sometimes when the software sort of transcribes the text from the original caption, some wording weirdness happens. But you can still see that this Dr. Powell was born of Quaker credentials. So this seemed like an image that was in line with what I was looking for. Right. What were the visual cues people were seeing at the time that could have inspired the mascot? And of course, I could have gotten way more information by seeing the full issue or learning about the Saint Louis Republic. Something I love for my students is this site this button, because it not only helps them realize how to site images, it reminds them that that's something they should be doing. So that's a really, really cool tool. So what I can also do with this newspaper navigator software is add images to my collection. So you see right now that this has the red box around it with this little star that's telling me I've added it to my collection and I can continue to sift through the search results and find things that are in line with what I'm looking for. Another awesome feature of this that I find super helpful as a content teacher who has now been kind of tasked with infusing computer science into my classroom is the fact that there's this tab called Train My AI Navigator. So. I live in a state and teach in a state currently where computer science is a hot ticket item and it's important for our kids to become familiar with it. And sometimes I'm grasping at straws for how to infuse that into my classroom. And I know sometimes colleagues have a similar sort of wariness, but this is one awesome way because if you click on this Train My Navigator, you get a little behind the scenes of how this tool is actually working and how an algorithm essentially works in a search engine like this. So basically what you get to do in this tab is tell the program that's doing the searching what you are in fact looking for and what you're not looking for. So basically what I was able to do is say these pictures of individuals who are actually Quakers are what I am looking for. I put them in the positive box and then I go through some of my search results and find things that I wasn't really looking for, like this picture of a globe. There were some like architectural pictures that were not really what I was intending, and it just kind of got looped in because of what the caption was saying. So now basically what I'm doing is I'm saying, "Hey, search tool, I want pictures that look like these things in the top, but not things in the bottom." And then I can click Train My Navigator. And what I'll see happen is that my results become more of like what I was expecting or hoping for. So now the tool is not only searching the captions, it's searching for visual similarities between the things in my positive box and the things in its data set that it's pulling from. And like what a cool conversation to have with your students about what's going on under the hood when they're searching online and they can actually see what happens to their search results as they train their navigator. And they could do this multiple times. They could add more and more pictures to the plus and the minus box. And I think that's so cool. And I think a whole host of questions about the nature of the search tool itself might emerge in the classroom. Right. Regardless of the fact that we were trying this to answer this, why was the mascot chosen for Quaker Oats? Right. Now, we're dealing with a whole other piece of complexity, but again, super user friendly. So once I trained my navigator a few times, I pulled up a few images and I was able to download them directly from Newspaper Navigator, and I put them up next to my Quaker Oats man. And I would now have my students think about this question. Why was this mascot chosen for Quaker Oats? And they might point out some similarities. They might point out some exaggerations. In the advertisement, we might be able to tap into, you know. Ideas about bias or, you know, certain things that could have led to certain visual appearances in the advertisement. And I think it's a whole another level of conversation to be had in my biology class that could be really engaging for students and really help them pick up those media literacy skills that are incredibly important as well. Right. So we're exploring lots of different things by interacting with these innovative tools that are available through the Library of Congress, right. The data visualizations, Newspaper Navigator. So I really think there's a lot of different directions you could take this program. Now. So those are just kind of a few ideas that I had to go down this oatmeal rabbit hole. But like you all suggested before, there are many other questions that can be asked by you, the teacher, or questions that might come up from the students. So there's just a few more here on the screen. So how has the information surrounding a historical event changed over several days? How have events, individuals or groups been viewed through different perspectives? What was everyday life like during the time of a certain historic event? What biases exist in the coverage of an event? And how have advertisements changed over time? Which is really kind of where I dug in today. But I'd like to kind of pause for a second. I know several people launched some possible questions before, but I'd love to know if there's anything you would potentially add to this list. Now that you know about these tools, right? So you know that the map of the historic newspaper exists. You know that the map of the newspapers tailored to different ethnic groups exists. You know that Newspaper Navigator exists. Would you add any additional questions to this list by knowing that those tools are possible? We give everyone a second to think about it. Oh, how you corroborate the claims made by historical newspapers? I love that. It might even be interesting to see, like, can you find support across multiple newspapers? Right. If you look at coverage across multiple places, are they telling the same story? Does training the AI Navigator give it biases in later searches? Well, that's an interesting question. Ben, I don't know if you're still out there and if you have an answer to that one. >> Benjamin Lee: Yeah, that's a great question. Let me go ahead and pull it up. So my understanding and sorry, actually, I realize I've lost the question in the chain. Jackie, would you mind repeating it? >> Jacqueline Katz: Sure. It says, does training the AI Navigator give it biases in later searches? >> Benjamin Lee: That's a great question. So the way we've designed it is try to keep it fairly enclosed. And sorry, I can turn my camera on too. Hi, everyone. Keep it in closed so that basically when you're doing one round of training, it's pretty isolated to the specific topic. So in this case, for Quaker individually, and then you can actually click a button to add a new navigator and start effectively a separate search. So hopefully these are sort of disentangled. But if there are any specific use cases, I'm more than happy to talk about them in detail. >> Jacqueline Katz: Awesome. Thank you so much. Oh, I love this question about how has the vocabulary used to describe different groups of people, events or ideas changed over time or by region? Awesome. Oh, good to look specifically in your state. I love that. A place based question. Right. Are there regional differences in the portrayal? These are all awesome, awesome questions. And just to point out a few more resources that might help you address these questions, right? This question about like, are there regional differences for a specific-- for coverage of a specific event? There are some tools, additional tools that we haven't focused on today that exist to help you and your students answer those questions. And one I definitely want to point out are the research, the recommended topics guides that exist on Chronicling America. So again, if you're on the Home page in the left hand bar, you'll see recommended topics and what you can find there is a list of topics, right? So the 16th Amendment or a specific presidential election. And what will happen is if you click on these topics, you'll get a whole range of articles about them. So you can do those comparative type studies from these recommended topic compilations. Or you could go back to the visualizations we were looking at and create your own compilations, right? It could be a really interesting question to ask students of like, do you think there's other important articles that should be added to these compilations? Which articles would they have chosen to add here? Could be a very interesting sort of activity to work on as a class. And then these questions about different perspectives, which I love, are really, really important ones to recognize because any sort of communication, it's important to realize what audience it is tailored for. So there have been recently two really useful blog posts about using Chronicling America to search for different target audiences, specifically African American newspapers as well as Native American newspapers. So really great resources. Again, when we give you this PDF, you'll have access to all these links, which will be really cool. And thank you. Kathy is dropping some of those important links in the chat. So like, I think most of you are recognizing. Lots of innovative questions can come out of using these innovative tools yourself or introducing these innovative tools to students. Because as a high school teacher, I'm just excited by the questions that the kids would ask as they're interacting with these very innovative representations of historic collections, which is really very cool. So I do want to give a little bit more time. I know we were able to squeeze in that one question and and Ben was awesome enough to give us that answer. But I do want to open up the floor to any other questions. If you have questions about any of the tools we talked about, any of the teaching ideas, feel free to drop those in the chat and we could try to get you some answers before we wrap up for today. >> Kathleen McGuigan: Or if you prefer, you can unmute. We have an intimate enough group. If you don't feel like typing it all out, please feel free to unmute. >> Jacqueline Katz: Oh, good question. So now we have a question from Jennifer in the chat. I'm curious about your experience reading image captions. How hard were they to read and how well did the OCR work? So from a user standpoint, for the most part I was able to... Get what I needed out of the meaning of it. And by being able to link back to the newspaper itself, I could then get a better, sort of grasp on it without any of the extraneous text. I don't know, Ben, if you're still out there and care to kind of give us a little bit more insight about like that. OCR on the caption. >> Benjamin Lee: Definitely. It's a great question, Jennifer. Thank you. I would say that the OCR, it actually varies quite a bit depending on what specific newspaper you might be looking at. And this has to do with the long history of how these various newspaper titles were accessioned and which state level partner ended up digitizing them, and also to what extent the OCR engine is familiar with the language and all of these factors. But I would say that doing a sort of keyword search and clicking through some example images, it becomes pretty clear which titles or which time periods tend to perform better than others. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you. While we wait to see if there's any more questions in the chat, I just want to point out one more thing. We were very lucky to have Ben to kind of give us a little bit more insight. But when you do get these slides shared with you, I do have a few different resources to help you learn a little bit more about the Newspaper Navigator tool, especially if perhaps you're a computer science teacher. There's lots of open source information about how something like this can be created. And I'm thinking some of our tech savvy students might be particularly interested in learning more about this. Awesome. Thank you. So let's see. We got another question in the chat. Are there previous talks or resources on helping students to complete independent historical research projects? How would you leverage the existing tools for that? Well, these are great questions. Kathy, I'm not sure if you might have more knowledge of if there's any previous tools on the LOC's website that might be useful here. >> Kathleen McGuigan: So yeah, I'll put a link in the chat to the recordings from our past webinars. I don't think there's something as specific to science research, but certainly there are plenty of resources to take a look at using primary sources for historical research so that can be expanded to all of the the topics, but I'll put that link to the recordings in the chat. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you, Kathy. Awesome. And I mean, I just think-- I work with high school students. If I were going to kind of unleash them on these tools, I do think chronicling is a great place for this to start, because sometimes loc.gov in general can be a bit overwhelming for adults. Not even students. So I think that this is a great place to start, especially some of those recommended topics might be a good place to start the research process that's not too open ended where students can start to explore and build out their questions. Might be a pretty cool place to start with students and just kind of see where it goes. But I think that might be a manageable spot. Awesome. Oh, and a net great plug. This is an excellent point. The data that was used to to build Newspaper Navigator is available. So if your students... were computer programming savvy and wanted to see what they could do with those data sets themselves, those collections of images from historic newspapers. They are definitely available. Awesome. Cool. >> Kathleen McGuigan: And in case anybody missed it in the chats, I placed the slides from today's presentation. So if you didn't get a copy of it, you might want to scroll up in the chat. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you, Kathy. But of course I will hang on... If there's any additional questions that might come up, but I really do thank you for joining us and all the great conversation. I'm definitely saving all of these questions that were populated in the chat because I think they're so interesting and I'm very curious to see... How students might interact with them. Oh, awesome. Thank you, Eileen. >> Kathleen McGuigan: Jackie, thank you for a great program and thank you all for attending today. I will be sending out an email later this week with a recording. It will be the unofficial recording and you will get an update on that. And we'll stay on for a few more minutes, but we'll end the recording now. Thank you so much for joining us. >> Jacqueline Katz: Thank you.